Still debating on who's the best villain for Spider-man 4???

Still debating on who's the best villain for Spider-man 4???

Take a walk on the wild side!!!

By Shaman - Jul 05, 2009 06:07 PM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

Surely Raimi's about ready to unleash The Lizard in New York or else... what would be the point of establishing a character through three features only to have him sit on the side lines while a Tommy Lee lookalike/Pattinson wannabe gives Tap Dancin' Peter Pan a run for his money in the Gwen Stacey 500. Judging by the monumental amount of methane deployed in his last cerebral flatus, it wouldn't be much of a stretch however, i prefer giving him the benefit of the doubt since he's two for three in my book.

Now, the Lizard on his own isn't that deep of a character and would prove insufficient for a full feature film. But he would provide a few perfect chases... or rather... hunts. Which brings me to my personal pic. Kraven The Hunter would be ideal for the fourth film. With both Kraven AND the lizard not being bad guys to the bone, together they might just be what the franchise needs to wall crawl back to the top. It would also open the door for Kraven's brother, The Cameleon, in the fifth addition. Just as much as he keeps Papajohn the flock away from SM4 and we'll be fine. The Horse is DEAD... doesn't matter what you do with your stick!!!

Now i know that some have suggested Brolin for the role and no doubt he'd have the look but would lack in substance. Don't get me wrong, what i'm saying is that he's too... oscar worthy for this type of franchise. We need more of a ..."boom, boom, POW" performance if Raimi ever wants to get out of that water hazzard. And my pic would be ideal to bring the sizzle to the steak!!! So without further ado, here's...

My Sketch of Gerard Butler as Kraven The Hunter!!!



The "Shaman" has spoken!!!
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answer
answer - 7/5/2009, 6:53 PM
Another Awesome sketch Shaman!
Nice one!

I think you might sell alot of people on this!

Mon the Scots!!
Shaman
Shaman - 7/5/2009, 7:14 PM
Thanks Answer!!! Hopefully i will :))
AshleyWilliams
AshleyWilliams - 7/5/2009, 7:39 PM
awesome sketch and choice shaman!
iNsaneMilesy
iNsaneMilesy - 7/5/2009, 9:10 PM
If Gerard Butler can do a Russian accent, why not?
Osiris
Osiris - 7/5/2009, 10:11 PM
he sure as hell looks the part, and good art btw.
KeepItReal
KeepItReal - 7/5/2009, 10:40 PM
woooaaah! what happened to Benicio del Toro? He looks perfect... and certainly has depth.

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not that i dont like me some Gerard.... **sigh**

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hey... ummm... isnt today sunday?...
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 7/6/2009, 8:48 AM
RAIMI wont do KRAVEN justice on the big screen, too Pg-13 friendly! I reckon SININSTER SIX!

With of course THE LIZARD! He needs he's dues! ; )
Shaman
Shaman - 7/6/2009, 9:33 AM
Thanks for the comments!!! Someone had suggested him in the past but i can't remember who exactly. So it's not really my find :P

KIR- I knew you'd like some Gerard with your morning toast LOL :P As for Morbius, i don't know who could render the character justice especially not making him campy as much as his concept is. Benicio is a great actor but i already sketched him as someone else. LOL, yes i posted this on Sunday. My girlfriend let's me use her scanner at her place which is also why i don't have time to chit chat... kinda busy doin' someone else. UH... i mean something else LOL :P

LEEE- Well after what he did in the last spidey film, i'm kinda hoping he delves into his "horror" basket and pulls out something to blow our minds even though the film's rating. So here's hoping that you're wrong about his Kraven :P
realfirstavenger
realfirstavenger - 7/6/2009, 10:11 AM
that is [frick]ing epic sir
well done
Kraven was always a great character, although how he would work in a full length feature is debateable. He is kind of a one trick guy in my opinion.
Gerard would be perfect tho, and he kicks all kinds of ass
greenlanternsector2814
greenlanternsector2814 - 7/6/2009, 10:23 AM
I like Kraven and the Lizard with Calypso included. McFarlane's storyline with them would be cool. But if not them, I have always liked Shocker for some reason and I think visually, that would be a great fight.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 7/6/2009, 10:45 AM
Hmmm, you've got a point SHAMAN @ Ive heard nothing but good things from that horror movie he just did!

An, no i hav'nt seen it yet lol! ; )

I remember McFalane's storyline @ fivebees @ Cool!
Shaman
Shaman - 7/6/2009, 11:36 AM
Thanks realfirst!!! Kraven alone wouldn't work in a feature film. In fact even with the lizard, it would highly depend on who would play him. He needs more than a good performance from a gifted actor. He needs his star to shine and i know for a fact that Butler has what it takes to bring a shitload of enthusiasm to Kraven. Brolin would just... i dunno, he yells out FLAT for me as Kraven. I heard someone else suggest Oded Ferr for Kraven but he would also be too flat of a Kraven.

Fivebees- I LOVE Shocker. But we all know he doesn't have the intelect to be a main villain. I put Shocker, Rhino and Scorpion in the same basket IMO. I love'em but as secondary only. And yes if they go with Kraven, they should go with Calypso.

LEEE- I haven't seen that either but you gotta admit, he does have talent in horror. He should definitely bring some aspects of that in spidey. Cause after SM3, he's gonna need it!!! And don't hate me but i LOVED the hell out of the Ultimate version of Electro. He really kicked ass :)) He could be one of the villains in SM5. Heck, i might sketch'em up soon :)) Not telling you who i'd choose of course LOL Not yet at least :P

Hey guys, bring as many people as possible on this article so that we can see how fast my sketch gets to the first "images" page on Google :P Pitty CBM isn't putting this on the front page, THAT WOULD ROCK :))
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 7/6/2009, 1:02 PM
SHAMAN: I have to disagree with you about Scorpion only being a secondary villain - what with him being hired as a P.I by Jonah to find out the secret identity of Spider-Man then becoming The Scorpion and going after Spidey and JJJ would overall make a great Spider-Man film!! And after the news of Papajohns return I think that its likely Scorpion could be a candidate for the 4th movie - MacGargan could visit him in jail - just an idea! Anyway, great sketch but my first choice is still Brolin. Oh and heres my pick for Electro...!

(Ben Foster)

LEEE777
LEEE777 - 7/6/2009, 1:03 PM

; )
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 7/6/2009, 1:05 PM
Oh, by the way SHAMAN @ Gerard Butlers spot on for KRAVEN! Good call dude! ; )
Shaman
Shaman - 7/6/2009, 1:50 PM
Thanks LEEE :)

Josh- This is where we'll disagree cause honestly, Scorpion has nothing for a feature film on his own. If that whole PI concept would be used as a foundation plot for the film, it would make it even lamer than SM3. This next one needs "substence" that Scorpion couldn't bring even if it's existance depended on it. I like Scorpion and all but when was he ever in a cleaver story on his own??? And Papajohn isn't a sure thing yet. They said he will probably return. He's in "talks" which last time i checked, didn't mean shit in Hollywood. And he was so quick to open his mouth about it that it could very well come back to bite him on the ass as it has happened before to other actors. But thanks for the compliment LOL I knew you liked Brolin :P And i do agree that Brolin has the look. That pic you posted of him looked pretty good :) As for Electro, another good cast of course, Foster's an amazing actor but i would choose another. I feel that Foster captures the regular Electro's personnality as you have shown above but i'll pic one for the Ultimate Electro which really blew my mind :) It probably will be my next sketch... i dunno :P
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 7/6/2009, 3:42 PM
SHAMAN: thats a fair point about Papajohn (believe me, i hope to god that he ISNT returning!) I just havent seen Gerard Buttler in anything so i cant judge him whereas Ive seen Brolin in a few movies where i thought he was great! Going by your sketch though he difinitely looks the part! Still gotta disagree with you about Scorpion though..!!! Oh and i HATE Ultimate Electro, lol!!
Shaman
Shaman - 7/6/2009, 7:15 PM
LOL DUDE!!! You got a point in common with LEEE!!! You guys should celebrate LOL :P Ah well, we'll always have Jensen Ackles for Captain America :P
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 7/6/2009, 7:55 PM
In the grand scheme of things Scorpion and Electro arent important...Jensen Ackles for Captain America IS!!! I meanif we dont campaign for Ackles we could end up having Cap played by some guy off, i dunno...a Maltesers ad or something (you know who im talking about LEE!) And anyway, it was your sketch of Ackles as Cap that convinced me he would be right for the part so maybe you'll do the same for Ultimate Electro (but at least do a version with the mask because that will look awesome, lol!!)
Spilox
Spilox - 7/7/2009, 12:56 AM
The sketch looks awesome! You did it again Shaman :D. As for Scorpion, i think we shouldn't underestimate him. Isn't the scorpion the natural enemy of the spider huhuh ^^. So who know what they might do. But lizard and kraven is the obvious choise for this movie. Although i think Raime would do great with Morbius.

Ohw and as for the movie: Dragged to hell, it's a cool flick. Pretty frightning at times. I now have nightmares that the ghost of an old teethless woman will come and puke bugs over me. I know that's pretty [frick]ed up :D.
IronPatriot
IronPatriot - 7/7/2009, 2:42 AM
Not going to lie. When I opened the link and looked at the picture I first thought "That's retarded, someone has watched 300 a few too many times and has a boner for Gerard."

That was my FIRST thought.

However, after reading the first few sentences of your article the old image of Kraven straight out of the pages hit me. It's brilliant, and I actually agree. Also, the idea of the things they could do with Spidey vs Lizard vs Kraven makes me teary-eyed.
Shaman
Shaman - 7/7/2009, 9:01 AM
Wow, this is turning out GREAT!!! :))

Josh- Yes the campaing must rage on!!! Jensen Ackles for Captain America!!! I really can't say that i'll draw the mask LOL Not for my Ultimate Electro pic anyways but... maybe i might just surprise you "one of these days" LOL :P You never know :)

Thank you guys for the awesome comments!!!

Spilox- I think Scorpion could be USED in a cleaver way... but i feel it has never been done before. In short, it would mean taking Scorpion and making him a brand new character, from Raimi's own concocktion, which would pretty much have all the fans pissing all over him. So that's why i really don't think Raimi'll even come within 100 yards of MacGargan. But you never know, who'd a thought he'd pull what he did in SM3 to begin with. And if there ever was a director that could make Morbius, Raimi's the guy. But that character always leaves a campyness in my mouth when he's around spidey. He's better for a 4th Blade film IMO even though he's meant to be in the Spidey continuity. Cool comment about Drag Me To Hell :))

Teabag- Very good point!!! On both accounts :))

Vic M- That's funny dude, but in truth all my sketches come from my boners LOL :P When i feel that a certain actor is perfect for a certain role, i sketch'em :) But i wouldn't cast Butler as just ANY character. I just feel he fits Kraven to a "T" :) Thanks for taking the time to reed and to actually picture the actor as the role!!! And i also feel kinda teary thinking about it. With Lizard, Kraven,Calysto and everything not only would that be highly deep but it is enough to not have to warrant Peter's love life for a change. I mean, mere bits of MJ distancing herself and Gwen getting a tad closer would be sufficient this time around :) Peter's love life is important but it shouldn't be the main plot ya know. To a certain extent, i feel it almost makes the villains kinda secondary. And that's just sad...
jman1977
jman1977 - 7/7/2009, 9:27 AM
Spot on Shamen, your right on the money!!!! I cant think of any actor better suited to play Kraven. The art rocks dude.

Question: have you ever drawn out a battle scene type piece? I would be very interested to see what you could come up with for say Spidey vs 2009 Lizard?
jman1977
jman1977 - 7/7/2009, 9:33 AM
I just tried emailing you as well with no luck. Dude, your art is bad ass. Have you ever thought about doing a full frontal type piece. Over at IESB.net they have some dude who draws up full frontal comic strips ( a one page kind of thing) dogging out industry idiots. I know for sure that would make front page news and that puts CBM in the same league as IESB.net. Let me know what you think?
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 7/7/2009, 9:45 AM
Shaman, thats your best sketch yet, and thats saying something. The eyes and the little glimpse of a fang make me hope Kraven is one of the next villains.
Shaman
Shaman - 7/7/2009, 11:38 AM
Thanks Jman :)) Actually, i'm working hard on molding my style for a comic book i'd like to draw. But i've always felt that my art kinda lacks... "dynamism" in the fighting area. I guess practice makes perfect. And i'm not that good at drawing lizards unfortunitely. I did submit a fight scene on the "Hulk Vs." contest you guys had a while back that is posted in my galeries. And i just finished a comic book cover for JosLezio which you can all see if you click on "home" at the top of the page and scroll down to see my galeries section :))

I'm not too sure what you mean about "full frontal"... like "nude"??? Oh, you mean do a comic strip in one full page??? Yeah, i could do that. It would be very time consuming and i couldn't commit to any time phrame but the thought had already crossed my mind :)) What kinda "league" are IESB.net exactly??? You feel they have an advantage over you guys??? Why i oughta!!! LET ME AT'EM!!! LOL :P But yeah, it could be kinda cool. I had thought of drawing an ongoing type of funny page with like kiddie manga characters of Twilight and ridicule THE [frick] OUT of them LOLOL :P What do you think??? Actually... i just went to take a look at IESB.net and i know what you're talking a bout. It could be very very interesting :)) Man would i have a blast with Meagan Fox's toe thumbs LOLOL :P Are there any "legal" predicaments that could come out of this??? So talk it over with Jim and the gang and get back to me right on here if Nate hasn't fixed the e-mail thingy :))

Roar- Thanks dude, after what you said about my Apocalypse sketch, i really didn't know if i ever could top it :)) You know, i was also unsure of what people would think of my "cat eyes" i added to Gerard. Cause normally, Kraven doesn't have them but i personnaly felt it "added" to the "vision" of an updated character. And if you look closely at the teaser image for this article, it's the very picture i used for the sketch and there were no teeth showing. I drew them myself hoping that it would still look like Gerard in the end. I'm glad it did cause "teeth" do it all in a portrait. They are litterally part of a person's charm and protrayal and they could make the drawing look "not a thing" like the actual person!!!
TheMyth
TheMyth - 7/7/2009, 1:26 PM
Shaman, I have had to view this multiple times since it was posted to sort out some confusion I have had. I have had this vision of Scott Adkins(the way he looks in Undisputed 2) as the end-all-be-all of Kraven casts... but you are forcing me to reconsider, albeit begrudgingly :) Great cast, and even better sketch. That is one of your best drawings yet!
Shaman
Shaman - 7/7/2009, 2:09 PM
Oooooh, that actually means alot to me :)) Adkins was a good pic as well. But Butler has that "animal" pheromone about him i dunno. It's one of those pics that just "feel" right ;P Thanks Myth, glad you like :))
KeepItReal
KeepItReal - 7/8/2009, 6:39 PM
Gerard with toast...mmm... Gerard with jelly... mmm ..whipped cream... some strawberries... nice warm honey... chocolate... GODDAMN!!!

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***SIGH***


Shaman
Shaman - 7/8/2009, 6:42 PM
That is one hunk of a man!!! And i can say that in all the comfort of my heterosexuality LOL :P
KeepItReal
KeepItReal - 7/8/2009, 6:43 PM
HEHEHEHE... You are very secure in your masculinity!! gg... =) ...
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SpideyFan1982
SpideyFan1982 - 7/9/2009, 12:03 AM
Kraven is a BORING character

If they don't bring Venom back

It should be Lizard or one of the following

1.Carnage
2.Kingpin
3.Scorpion
4.Mysterio
5.Chameleon
6.Electro

All 6 characters are better and more interesting characters than Kraven.
Shaman
Shaman - 7/9/2009, 10:40 AM
SpideyFan1982- Lizard is just as boring as Kraven if they aren't at each other's throats. They need each other. Venom is getting a spin-off, he won't be back in Spidey4.

KIR- I love that fairy, she's as hot as it gets :))
TheMarvelFan
TheMarvelFan - 7/9/2009, 12:34 PM
yeah, i could definatley see Gerard Butler as Kraven the hunter. He'd make a cool villan along with Lizard. If Kraven is in spidey 4 then i would love to see them somehow get the " kraven's last hunt " story line going for spidey 5
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 7/9/2009, 1:59 PM
Shaman: good news-this article comes up if you google Spider-Man 4 under 'news'!
Shaman
Shaman - 7/9/2009, 7:48 PM
joshw24- ARE YOU SHITTING ME??? THAT' OUTSTANDING NEWS!!! Thanks for bringing that to my attention!!!

TheMarvelFan- I could not possibly agree more!!!
SigmaCenturion
SigmaCenturion - 7/9/2009, 8:29 PM
I think Butler would make a good Kraven. I would like to see a story where Spider-man is caught in between the Punisher and Kraven. That would be cool to see in a movie. Nice artwork by the way :)
SpideyFan1982
SpideyFan1982 - 7/9/2009, 10:58 PM
I hope that Venom spinoff rots in development hell,

A Venom spinoff would TANK at the box office, especially if Spidey is not appearing in it and they are wasting Carnage in a Venom movie, I would rather see Carnage in a Spidey Movie.
Joker1zero
Joker1zero - 7/10/2009, 12:57 AM
I can dig it
Shaman
Shaman - 7/10/2009, 9:44 AM
Thanks guys :)

SigmaCenturion- That's actually a story i'd like to see on the big screen :))

SpideyFan1982- Yeah, i really don't see the Venom movie raking in the bucks. And there wouldn't be a point to Carnage without Venom and especially without Spidey. Carnage would slightly fit better in a Venom film but that would tank as you say. Spidey and Carnage alone? It would be SM3 all over again IMO. They'll want to keep fresh. I really don't think we'll ever get to see Carnage at all.
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