James Gunn On SUPERMAN's Place In Wider DCU And Whether He'll Make Guillermo del Toro's JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK

James Gunn On SUPERMAN's Place In Wider DCU And Whether He'll Make Guillermo del Toro's JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK

DC Studios co-CEO James Gunn has revealed the extent of Superman's importance to the wider DCU, and explains why he isn't necessarily prioritising making Guillermo del Toro's "dream" Justice League Dark.

By JoshWilding - Jun 21, 2025 11:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Superman
Source: Entertainment Weekly

When DC Studios was officially formed in January 2023, James Gunn and Peter Safran announced an ambitious "Chapter 1 - Gods and Monsters" slate. Many of those movies and TV shows have since hit stumbling blocks, but the new DCU is slowly starting to take shape. 

Creature Commandos was the first DCU project, and ties into this summer's Superman and Peacemaker season 2 thanks to Rick Flag Sr. Beyond that, 2026 will give us Lanterns, Supergirl, and Clayface

Talking to Entertainment Weekly, Gunn confirmed the expected: Superman will be a crucial part of the wider story he intends to tell in the DCU. Surprisingly, Peacemaker will be an important chapter, too, but Creature Commandos...not so much. 

"Oh, [Superman] is very important. I wouldn't say Creature Commandos is important, but Peacemaker and Superman are both pretty important in terms of getting to the bigger story. At the same time, I am really trying to be careful that anybody can dip in and see the story that is up next and not feel like they're missing information. The other stories can provide added texture to what you're watching. That might change down the line as we get deeper into what's happening in this universe."

"It could be like Infinity War and Endgame, where you kind of have to see Infinity War to know what's going on in Endgame. But right now, I'm trying to keep it so that you don't have to see Superman to see Supergirl, for example. Even though there's a lot of stuff in Superman that leads to Peacemaker, you certainly don't need to see it to see Peacemaker. It's just good if you have, but we also say 'Previously in the DCU' before every episode, so the TV stuff's pretty easy."

While rumours swirl about a World's Finest movie, the endgame surely has to be a new take on Justice League with Gunn at the helm. However, what of Justice League Dark

Filmmaker Guillermo del Toro was once attached to what's been billed as his dream project, and it remains one of those unmade superhero movies that had the potential to be great. The DCEU moved on from del Toro with an ultimately unproduced slate of Justice League Dark projects from producer J.J. Abrams, so will Gunn give del Toro another shot?

"I love Guillermo, and we own a movie theater together. By the way, Guillermo's never said that to me. I hear all these things about, 'Guillermo would love to do Justice League Dark.' Well, Guillermo's never said that to me. 'Just let Steven Spielberg do his Blackhawks movie that he wants to do!' Steven Spielberg, who I love above anyone else, has never said that to me. So these things get blown out of proportion."

"Years and years ago, I said I wanted to make a Thunderbolts movie. I was in a convention somewhere, and somebody asked me, 'What did I want to do that wasn't Guardians of the Galaxy?' I said Thunderbolts. And for years and years, it's like, 'James Gunn should be allowed to make his Thunderbolts movie.' I have a million things that I thought I wanted to do in certain moments."

That doesn't sound overly promising, but Gunn has strongly hinted that he has plans for John Constantine in the DCU. Recent years have seen Wonder Woman assemble alongside this supernatural team, so perhaps that's something DC Studios could explore? We'll have to wait and see.

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Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 6/21/2025, 11:10 AM
Also Pablo LYLE Is Guillermo del Toro second cousin twice removed
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 6/21/2025, 11:12 AM
Imagine a Thunderbolts movie by Gunn.

Marvel has really lost a gem
Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 6/21/2025, 12:04 PM
@vectorsigma - I mean, the Thunderbolts movie we got was pretty great . . .
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 6/21/2025, 12:24 PM
@Clintthahamster - it was a good character driven movie i agree.

But it lacks some memorable action sequences imo.

And its execution is not as effective. Rocket's backstory was very heartfelt in gotg3 for example. I just rewatched Peacemaker and a side character like Econonos had his highlight scene written and executed very well
CaptainFlapjaks
CaptainFlapjaks - 6/21/2025, 4:32 PM
@vectorsigma - looking back thats kinda what marvel needs. They focus too much on the fun action and we dont have any characters we have really latched onto since endgame. I wanna see more bob, more yelana, more red guardian. Hell, im more invested in john walker than i am in sam wilson. He is just a more interesting character after thunderbolts.
TheLobster
TheLobster - 6/21/2025, 5:22 PM
@vectorsigma - yeah we could have had some real stupid juvenile humor in that film!
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 6/21/2025, 11:18 PM
@TheLobster - yeah and heart balanced with it that no other director can do
Forthas
Forthas - 6/21/2025, 11:25 AM
What is going to ruin James Gunn in the long run is elevating characters like Peacemaker who no one gives a sh*t about and lowering the most popular characters like Superman down to the level of these obscure characters.
BlackStar25
BlackStar25 - 6/21/2025, 11:53 AM
@Forthas - Feel like his downfall will be more about the lack of direction. His DCU seems to be solely story driven which means for the time being there isnt anything being lead up to.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 6/21/2025, 11:53 AM
@Forthas - YOU might have hated Peacemaker, but the reviews and ratings tell a different story. You're still butthurt over trash Snyder being taken out of existence
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 6/21/2025, 12:10 PM
@Forthas - I think if you can put established stars in the lead of the obscure characters, like Cena, people will have interest.

That's why you can get away with mostly unknowns for the big guns like Supes, Bats, and WW.
Forthas
Forthas - 6/21/2025, 12:14 PM
@BlackStar25 - I kind of agree with you but I do think Gunn has a broader plan that was centered around The Authority but for some reason it seems like it seems like it was derailed.
Forthas
Forthas - 6/21/2025, 12:18 PM
@bobevanz - I really have not seem anything to suggest it has high ratings. It is strange that if it did WB goes out of their way to NOT mention it.
Redking77
Redking77 - 6/21/2025, 12:21 PM
@Forthas - Let’s not forget that before Iron Man came out, he was considered a 2nd Tier character that many people overlooked. Everyone was about Spiderman & the X-Men at that time. While I agree with you (Peacemaker is far from my favorite), there may be a bigger plan that this character is laying the groundwork for.
Forthas
Forthas - 6/21/2025, 12:23 PM
@lazlodaytona - Yeah but he kicked things off with the small guns.
dragon316
dragon316 - 6/21/2025, 12:36 PM
@bobevanz - ratings yeah that’s future of show success not reviews no chance thunder bolts and transformers one and bumblebee have good reviews and rottne tomatoes score not one will get sequel reviews, rotten tomatoes, critics mean nothing when it comes to entertainment and movies people decide not reviews
IronSpider101
IronSpider101 - 6/21/2025, 2:55 PM
@BlackStar25 - If anything I see that as a plus. Every movie gets to stand on its own, rather than it feeling like they need to be part of something larger. That's how movies should be; standing alone and failing or succeeding on their own merits. Crossovers and shared continuity are the icing on the cake, but shouldn't ever be the cake itself.
Geochili
Geochili - 6/22/2025, 4:28 AM
@Redking77 - Lol. I was so surprised when I read a few years after IM1 was released that he was a 2nd tier superhero. I was like, “Wut? But, he was my favorite. Second tier? Really?” But, I hadn't read comicbooks since the late 1970s, maybe early 1980s. I have no idea if his popularity receded in the intervening decades or he was always a rung below. I suppose I could ask Dr Google that question…I'm obviously not a diehard fan of comicbooks. I started reading fantasy and sci-fi novels and never looked back. Plus, checking books out at the library was free.

BlackStar25
BlackStar25 - 6/22/2025, 12:34 PM
@IronSpider101 - Oh I 100% agree. That is how you should be making films. Its just the General Audience has been preconditioned to look at each movie as a lead up to something. This DCU will be akin to what Marvel has done since Endgame…minus the mandate of course. However for that option to be successful, they must hit home with quality.
BlackStar25
BlackStar25 - 6/22/2025, 12:40 PM
@Forthas - If Gunn is to be believed by what he says, then it seems like he has pivoted from that because the script for The Authority is not were it needs to be to start anything associated with it. If he isn’t sold on something, he seems very comfortable dropping it.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/21/2025, 11:51 AM
" I am really trying to be careful that anybody can dip in and see the story that is up next and not feel like they're missing information."

Uh-huh. Meantime I'm trying to find the Metamorpho movie so I'll understand wtf that's all about before Superman and I can't find it anywhere.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 6/21/2025, 11:54 AM
@ObserverIO - apples and oranges for you
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/21/2025, 12:19 PM
@bobevanz - User Comment Image
Geochili
Geochili - 6/22/2025, 4:31 AM
@ObserverIO - He wants to give you a fruit basket?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/22/2025, 6:20 AM
@Geochili - I'll take it, lol.

That's very nice of you @bobevanz.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 6/21/2025, 11:54 AM
[frick] the media
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 6/21/2025, 12:58 PM
Would be nice if the supernatural side of DC was explored more.
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 6/21/2025, 4:56 PM
@ModHaterSLADE -

I really think that’s an untapped market.

Marvel screwed the pooch on that HARD with Dr strange and especially Dr strange 2. Shang chi was just okay. And I heard Agatha was just Marvel doing Hocus Pocus in the MCU but gayer.

So yeah, marvel has wasted their supernatural/ magic characters and potential fun stories.

DC should absolutely fill that void with Deadman, John Constantine, JL Dark, Zatanna, Demon, etc.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 6/21/2025, 5:40 PM
@HulkisHoly - Yeah, I'm hoping we get live action Etrigan.
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 6/21/2025, 6:13 PM
@ModHaterSLADE -

Loads of potential there!
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 6/21/2025, 5:23 PM
Would be cool if Guillermo did do his Justice League Dark.
It'd fit, and the thing is already written, so let him. It'd fit in so good next to Clayface and Swamp Thing.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/21/2025, 6:43 PM
The approach to the DCU they are taking is good imo and it’s honestly the same one that Marvel has had that’s been overblown imo to an extent with the homework complaints…

I can understand if it’s overwhelming if you are real behind but I feel you could go into a Thunderbolts for example and still enjoy it as is but if you want more with like John Walker then can go watch FaTWS if you haven’t because it’ll add more to your experience & connection with that character etc.

I hope that’s the same here which I think it will be.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 6/22/2025, 1:45 AM
It's all going to be connected whether it's a in a big or in a small way, but all everything will be intertwined. If the post-credit scenes of Superman is what has been rumored about a drunken/tipsy Kara showing up at the Fortress to pick up Krypto before taking off to space to start her WoT movie storyline then that minuscule link means you do have to watch first Superman to understand his cousin's newest film and not be surprised when you see the dog with her.

It's a lived-in but connected DC universe right? So it's obvious and he's just trying to word it nicely that it won't feel like "homework" as some have voiced their concerns with the MCU lately but let's be real, all will lead to something very soon. And you gotta better be up to date with everything that is coming. If it comes of course. (Looking at you Sgt. Rock)

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