DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN Rumor May Explain How The Punisher Factors Into The Story

DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN Rumor May Explain How The Punisher Factors Into The Story

A new rumor doing the rounds online may explain how Frank Castle, aka The Punisher (Jon Bernthal), will factor into the upcoming Daredevil: Born Again Disney+ series...

By MarkCassidy - Oct 09, 2023 06:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Daredevil

After persistent rumors, it was recently confirmed that Jon Bernthal will reprise his role as Frank Castle/The Punisher from the now defunct Netflix Daredevil series for Marvel Studios' upcoming Disney+ "reboot," Daredevil: Born Again.

We still don't have any official plot details to go on, but a new rumor from insider CWGST may give us some idea of how the ultra-violent vigilante will factor into the show.

As we've already heard, Matt Murdock (Charlie Cox) will reportedly attempt to put his life as the Man Without Fear behind him and focus on doing his part to help the city as an attorney while his nemesis, Wilson Fisk (Vincent D'Onofrio), holds office as the mayor.

However, "when corrupt police start to misuse The Punisher’s logo, the Devil inside Matt is itching to be unleashed."

Though Castle isn't actually mentioned here, it's not too much of a stretch to assume that The Punisher isn't exactly going to be pleased by these cops' actions, either.

New cast members include Michael Gandolfini, Nikki M. James and Sandrine Holt.

We recently learned that Holt will play Vanessa Fisk, while James is believed to be playing Kristen McDuffie. Gandolfini's role hasn't been officially confirmed, but there's speculation that he'll either be playing a younger take on Fisk in flashbacks, or the villain's son. Another, more recent rumor claims that he'll actually be a take on Butch, a gangster who learned The Kingpin had an affair with his mother.

The show will be loosely based on the '80s Marvel Comics series of the same name by Frank Miller and David Mazzuchelli, but is not expected to be an overly faithful adaptation. Despite some significant changes to the story, "Daredevil versus Wilson Fisk, aka the Kingpin, remains the focal point."

Born Again will be PG-13, but Marc Jobst, who helmed some key episodes of the Netflix show, simply doesn't believe Cox, D'Onofrio and Bernthal would have agreed to return if they didn't think it was going to work.

"So I’ve got no idea what they’re doing and how they’re approaching the Disney version of those worlds," he said in a recent interview. "I can’t imagine that Charlie, Vince and Jon would sign up for something that they felt was anodyne. They just wouldn’t do it. So in some form or another, Disney must have persuaded them to say, 'This is a journey worth coming on.'"

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Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 10/9/2023, 6:45 PM
Whole episodes where he doesn't suit up? Sigh. As long as the lawyer drama is well done, then it could work, but the way they handled it in She Hulk was embarrassing.
UncleHarm1
UncleHarm1 - 10/9/2023, 6:49 PM
Bold of them to tackle a real world issue like cops appropriating the Punisher symbol, hope they have a less sanitized take on it than Falcon and the Winter Soldier's vague political ideals.
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 10/9/2023, 6:58 PM
@UncleHarm1 - I was just about to post how very meta that plot line seemed. Don't f this up, disney.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 10/9/2023, 7:00 PM
@UncleHarm1 - I actually like how they handled political ideas in falcon and bucky.

1. Government using black bodies and disposing them when they are no longer convenient

2. Government using veterans the exact same way and scapegoating them

I'm not going to list them all but I liked what they did. I hate heavy handed storytelling and it wasn't that at all
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 10/9/2023, 8:14 PM
@MyCoolYoung - it was fine until that speech at the end . Very stares at camera esque
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 10/9/2023, 9:30 PM
@UncleHarm1 - I would've loved for them to have handled those subjects with a bit more thought and care, but a certain subsect of the fandom clearly wouldn't be ready for those topics.
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 10/9/2023, 6:51 PM
Fogs
Fogs - 10/9/2023, 6:53 PM
This is a months old rumor CWGST brought up again, tbh.
StSteven
StSteven - 10/9/2023, 6:56 PM
@Fogs - Yeah I thought the same thing. Pretty sure they used the same comic panel as well.
ATrueHero1987
ATrueHero1987 - 10/9/2023, 6:53 PM
Sucks we have to wait until 2025 for this show. The last 3 years hasn't been kind for movie/tv releases.
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 10/9/2023, 9:31 PM
@ATrueHero1987 - It's probably early 2025, if that means anything.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 10/9/2023, 6:53 PM
Matt’s gonna beat the shit out of some racist scum bags and I’m all the way here for it 🙌🏽
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/9/2023, 7:50 PM
@FireandBlood - If it's not just because of that, I'm fine with it.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 10/9/2023, 6:57 PM
I get wanting more of Matt as a lawyer and we need that, but I hope it’s 60/40 and the 60 is Matt being DD and a lawyer. Matt has definitely tried to leave the Devil behind, so that’s nothing new

If we get that here, would love to see this scene come to life


The pain of him sitting up late at night, just calling the police station multiple times in a row, desperately trying to help as many innocent people as he can. Matt is never allowed quiet.
Repian
Repian - 10/9/2023, 7:00 PM
I can imagine a group of police officers who adopt the ideals of the Punisher and they murder criminals who escape the law.

I can imagine Frank chasing these cops on his own Show.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/9/2023, 7:48 PM
@Repian - They all murder people who escape the law?
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 10/9/2023, 8:15 PM
@Repian - so like real police officers
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 10/9/2023, 7:02 PM
I really hope they have an interesting take on the Punisher's aversion to Police wearing the skull. I hope they don't just copy verbatim the way the comics handled it. We haven't seen any Law enforcement in-universe doing it, so it doesn't feel like there is an appropriate build up. The comics you had at least decades of stories where cops willfully fed him information and openly discussed how much easier he made their jobs. Not having that element for the show, or having explored it for a period of time before now, does take a lot of the bite out of the story, imo.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 10/9/2023, 7:31 PM
@BobGarlen - I think leaning on Fisk’s mayoral term and impact could help color in the police and punisher story. Out of all the vigilantes, Fisk would want to prosecute Punisher most of all. I think that would reveal law enforcement who support Frank. You get cops who refuse to try and bring frank in. Adopt and twist his symbol while doing so. Then, this awakens Frank.

You could explore two types of vigilantism with the cops versus the superheroes
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/9/2023, 7:48 PM
@BobGarlen - I do think I'd prefer it to be something cheap.
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 10/9/2023, 7:59 PM
@GhostDog - I think j if you have cops refusing to turn the Punisher in, they'd be looked on favorably by the audience of fans of the character. They should have Fisk sending dirty cops to execute people in open public whole wearing it too stir the public moral against Vigilante activity.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 10/9/2023, 10:49 PM
@BobGarlen - using dirty cops could work.

I also think you could say something about those fans with going the route of having cops refuse to turn frank in. It’s a complicated topic but one worth exploring. I like Frank as a character mostly but he’s not to be admired. If you favorably look on those cops who refuse to turn frank in because you “like” him, that’s a complex thing of sorts.

Frank is not a good man and his mission isn’t just when you really look at it.
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 10/10/2023, 5:56 AM
@GhostDog - I don't think it's exactly right to judge morality of a fan for rooting for a character. I mean John Wick was a hitman before the audience meets him and the audience knows that but we root for him anyway. I understand it's a little different with Superheroes but John's Targets in the movies and the Punisher's targets aren't dissimilar.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 10/9/2023, 7:05 PM
The corrupt cops will belong to The Kingpin, of course
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/9/2023, 7:16 PM


I wonder what prompts Matt to try to leave Daredevil behind?.

He seems like he’s in a better position career wise in this (and maybe socially too given the rumors of Heather Glenn) then he has been before so I wouldn’t be surprised if in his eyes , the system is working and he seems to genuinely be doing good until circumstances get worse through the course of the show.

Anyway , looking forward to it!!.
OmegaBlack13
OmegaBlack13 - 10/9/2023, 7:32 PM
It’s weird that it’ll be dudes upset at this. It’s a real life thing that cops do, and it’s a pretty bad thing.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/9/2023, 7:53 PM
@OmegaBlack13 - Are you sure it's only dudes as well?
OmegaBlack13
OmegaBlack13 - 10/15/2023, 8:25 PM
@dagenspear - Pretty sure, yeah. But fine.

It’s weird that it’ll be people of all genders upset at this. It’s a real life thing that cops do, and it’s a pretty bad thing.


Better?
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/15/2023, 8:57 PM
@OmegaBlack13 - I think more nuanced. Better is up to God.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 10/9/2023, 7:46 PM
As long as we're dealing with corruption, I'm cool with it, not just something easy.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 10/9/2023, 7:56 PM
So once again, it's too "controversial" these days to have the Punisher go ahead gunning down gang bangers. His own series had him mainly going after corrupt government officials and ex soldiers. Now it's cops. DD season 2 was the closest Bernthal's going to get to playing the actual Punisher character.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 10/9/2023, 8:17 PM
^ the type of person that would wear the punishers symbol and misrepresent his identity
Vigor
Vigor - 10/9/2023, 8:20 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - facts
Origame
Origame - 10/9/2023, 9:11 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - apparently, it's misrepresenting the punisher to want him mainly killing criminals instead of corrupt government officials?

...do YOU not know the punisher? Quite frankly I don't even think comic punisher would care if cops started murdering criminals as long as they WERE criminals.

What YOU don't get about the misrepresenting of the punisher logo is that the punisher is a crazy guy. He isn't meant to be in the right. THATS why it's f@#$ed up for the cops to wear his logo.

You're basically advocating for exactly what we have been criticizing cops for when they wore the logo in the first place.
DarkArrow19
DarkArrow19 - 10/9/2023, 11:34 PM
@HashTagSwagg - no cause the gang bangers families would claim they were such kind and God fearing citizens and great people to the communities
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 10/9/2023, 11:55 PM
@Origame - punisher does care there’s literally comic panels discussing that topic. He cares cause they’re supposed to be better than him and if they’re stooping to his level the entire system is [frick]ed (it is) no one said for him not to be killing criminals but thinking he just absolves govt corruption and police corruption is asinine
Origame
Origame - 10/10/2023, 4:58 AM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - 1) his entire point is that this punisher has been focusing almost entirely on corrupt government officials and not criminals.

2) there are also plenty of STORIES where he's trying to convince people killing criminals is the best. And much more iconic pieces to the character than any random panel you can pull out. Need I remind you of the time he held daredevil hostage on a roof?
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 10/10/2023, 5:35 AM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - "thinking he just absolves govt corruption and police corruption is asinine" hears where you projected. No one said he shouldn't go after bad guy because bad guy is government. The punisher would go after everyone but there is an obvious reason why these shows are choosing to have him focus on a specific set of people.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 10/10/2023, 7:46 AM
@HashTagSwagg - I didn’t project anything I was responding to origame point of him cheering in the cops to kill people
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 10/10/2023, 7:47 AM
@Origame - yeah and those are convincing why he kills not hey police go gun down criminals
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