Netflix And Marvel Reportedly Clashed Over Season Lengths Of TV Shows Like DAREDEVIL And IRON FIST

Netflix And Marvel Reportedly Clashed Over Season Lengths Of TV Shows Like DAREDEVIL And IRON FIST

We've been hearing a lot about some potential conflict between Marvel and Netflix over the likes of Daredevil and Luke Cage, and now one of the biggest issues between them may have been revealed...

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By JoshWilding - Dec 04, 2018 04:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Daredevil
Last week, Marvel fans were left reeling by the news that Daredevil has been cancelled just weeks after the same thing happened to Iron Fist and Luke Cage (Jessica Jones and The Punisher are presumably next for the chopping block once their respective "final" seasons air). 

We've already heard that Marvel may have clashed with Netflix in relation to how to handle these shows from a creative standpoint but Matthew Ball, the former head of strategy for Amazon Studios, has now revealed that the online streaming service wanted to significantly slash the episode count by almost half.

Honestly, that wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world but Marvel clearly felt they couldn't tell a satisfying story in such a short space of time, hence why problems quickly arose. 

Throw in Netflix no longer needing the Marvel brand as much as it once did and the diminishing quality of these shows, and it's easy enough to see why what happened, happened!

What do you guys think the future holds in store for Daredevil and his fellow Defenders? 

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BatesMT
BatesMT - 12/4/2018, 4:35 AM
"and the diminishing quality of these shows"... Lol what? Did you people watch a different season 3 of Daredevil than I did because it was just as good as the previous seasons.
KingJoffrey
KingJoffrey - 12/4/2018, 4:42 AM
@BatesMT - Yeah, I really don't get that.

I never watched Iron Fist but I had heard that season 2 was a great improvement over season 1. And Luke Cage S02 wasn't bad, either.

That being said, Daredevil S03 was absolutely amazing. I'm really disappointed we'll never see Wilson Bethel complete his arc as Bullseye. He was god-damned perfect!
Origame
Origame - 12/4/2018, 5:14 AM
@BatesMT - they're talking diminishing quality overall. Remember they were taking the same approach as the movies where its all the same universe and building up to a big team up. So it was 2 great shows of daredevil and jessica jones, 1 ok show with luke cage, 1 awful show with iron fist, then the team up was just meh. Basically the whole reason we got another season for luke cage and iron fist was because they were already done when they saw the reception for defenders.
BackwardGalaxy
BackwardGalaxy - 12/4/2018, 5:15 AM
@BatesMT - You can't look at S3 of DD as if it exists in a vacuum. It doesn't. It's part of the same brand that produced a lackluster Luke Cage, lackluster Iron Fist, and barely watchable Defenders. I'm sure that has also affected viewership of DD, as well as Netflix's thoughts on its future. I'm betting the only reason Punisher and JJ haven't been canceled is that the former's season 2 has already filmed and the latter's season 3 is already in production. They probably just don't want to kill viewership on both shows by announcing they're dead before they are even out.
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 12/4/2018, 4:39 AM

Matthew Ball
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10/ Netflix reportedly wanted to shorten the seasons, thereby reducing total spend and improving retention and quality (Netflix’s shows, especially the Marvel ones, are famously bloated). Reportedly from 13 eps to 6-8
leethario
leethario - 12/4/2018, 4:40 AM
I think 8-10 would have worked well, especially Jessica Jones and luke cage, they dragged a bit. I never watched any of the iron fists, so can't comment on the quality.....or lack of.
TomSolo
TomSolo - 12/4/2018, 10:01 AM
@leethario - I've been saying for years that season length is sometimes detrimental to storytelling. With streaming services, especially ones without commercial obligations, you could potentially vary the season length to fit the story being told. It would increase quality and decrease filler episodes and needless plotlines about peripheral characters that nobody cares about.

Make the season length be dictated by the needs of the story and you should have better shows.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 12/4/2018, 4:41 AM
yea, this was reported last week.
RolandD
RolandD - 12/4/2018, 4:42 AM
The only series that seriously diminished in quality to me is Jessica Jones. LC was more consistent throughout the second season and IF 2 was better. DD 1 was the best season of any of the seasons of any of the shows, but season 2 was not a serious dip and 3 was at least as good as 2 and in some aspects better. I loved the final episode of 3.
KingJoffrey
KingJoffrey - 12/4/2018, 4:44 AM
@RolandD - JJ S02 was unbearable for me. I liked SO1, but my God... Part of it (or perhaps most it) stems from Trish Walker.

To me, she was absolutely insufferable during S02!
RolandD
RolandD - 12/4/2018, 4:58 AM
@KingJoffrey - I never finished season 2 and really liked season 1. I just couldn’t get interested enough in the big bad and the mad scientist. I’all probably finish it at some point as I will still want to watch season 3 (and hopefully WANT to finish watching it😱).
JDL
JDL - 12/4/2018, 5:08 AM
@KingJoffrey - I don't hate on her as much as you do but the way they handled her wasn't entertaining to me.
JDL
JDL - 12/4/2018, 5:12 AM
@RolandD - Agreed. The mad scientist and friend should have been the B story and then maybe we would have gotten deep into the real IGH people. Oh well.
Origame
Origame - 12/4/2018, 5:15 AM
@RolandD - the decision to cancel them was most likely made after defenders aired, and the whole reason we even got season 2 for those shows is because they were already done. Hence lack of marketing too.
blitzburgh
blitzburgh - 12/4/2018, 11:52 AM
@KingJoffrey - agreed
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 12/4/2018, 4:42 AM
Only all of Daredevil and the first season of Jessica Jones were interesting to watch of 13 episodes, the rest could've done with 8 to 10 episodes in my opinion
Nebula
Nebula - 12/4/2018, 4:44 AM
@MalseMarcel - Season 3's length was warranted.
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