RUMOR: Marvel Studios To Focus On Street-Level TV Shows; Multiverse Will Stick Around After SECRET WARS

@harryba11zack -

@Goldboink -

At least Iger admits fault, sorta lol

@bobevanz - dude! How are you so on top of these ticket sales?! Thanks for the heads up! I was the first set of Tickets bought!

Prime seating! 😁 can't wait for the 21st!

@TheVisionary25 - Just to add, there still being a multiverse after secret wars should've been a given realy as Marvel technicaly always has one even when not exploring it. Just keep away from incursions and minimise crossovers and it still existing is not a problem and keeps SPUMC a seperate thing all be it with the chance Spider-man characters can crossover if wanted on rare occasions or at least keeps Sony on board with continuing to allow Disney to use/add any of their own variants.

It also allows if Disney wants to have entirely standaloe set in an alternate universe shows/films if they want at any point like the arrowverse did with Supergirl and leave open the option to have crossovers and/or later merging way down the road.

@AC1 - Probably.

If you ask me, Marvel should secure permission to use Spidey in the Avengers movie before Secret Wars and the Secret Wars finale and then abandon Sony to make Spider-Man 4 on their own.

Spider-Man 4 and all other SPUMC movies will flop.
The only thing they have going for them is Lord and Miller. They will want to appoint Lord and Miller head of their Spider-Man movie division (they'll actually form a division called Spider-Man Studios or something) unless Kevin Feige poches them by offering them Secret Wars (including overseeing various animated and TV projects tie-ing into Secret Wars, set on Battleworld).

Then, when Spider-Man becomes an albatross weighing Sony down, they will be happy to sell to Marvel for a much smaller amount, which Marvel will easily be able to afford due to the Secret Wars movies.

@OmegaBlack13 - That's a great point. The Multiverse is a weird, neat thing to explore sparingly, but it shouldn't be the main focus. These characters have very compelling stories on a less complex level.

@Izaizaiza - Folk keep saying that but has the multiverse aspect of this arc realy been the thing people got tired of considering the only times they have explored it at all have been hits (as in MoM, NWH and Loki) bar one end credit which seemed to get hype even if the film itself flopped.

@OmegaBlack13 - exactly. Over focus on it makes everything meaningless

@Apophis71 - I guess you have a point there. Personally, I really did enjoy NWH, thought MoM was ok, and thought Loki was garbage... But there's no denying that they were all successful

@Izaizaiza - I get the stakes issue with multiverse stuff, it is why the idea of it is oft percieved as bad, even if when actualy directly used well can result in a hit but that is ALWAYS a potential issue with scifi and CBM's anyway even when not given a heads up on it in advance.

Indeed I'd argue anything CBM in particular has always had a stakes issue built in as we know almost always the hero will win and if he does loose there will be some gizmo to fix that in the near future. We know that in the comics almost all characters have at some point died and in almost all cases they somehow return one way or another be that time displaced, time travel to prevent events, magic, cloned, LMD's, resurrection, retcons, multiverse or whatever else they could think of, so the entire GA get the 'joke' that CBM heroes almost never stay dead, lol.

I mean sans multiverse how many characters were 'killed off' during the first three phases one way or another only to survive or return one way or another. Started with phase one with Cap presumed dead for 5minutes after he crashed a bomber into the ice and Bucky also presumed dead falling from a train only to return as the Winter Soldier plus Red Skull also eventualy returned after possibly killed by the Tesseract (even if we guessed he wasn't). All the deaths of Loki and fake/presumed dead for Fury and the believed dead Janet Van Dyme during phases one and two onwards even without a multiverse aspect so...

...thus far they have still mostly stuck to if we see them killed (rather than just presumed dead) that version of that character stays dead outside of the Snap/blip. The closest to exceptions to that thus far was a Variant of Loki from a branched battle of New York, a variant of Gamora and a rebuilt White Vision all of which directly came about in or as a result of Infinity War and Endgame prior to the multiverse arc and all clearly stated as not the vesions we knew when they were killed/destroyed.

I don't think we should be worrying about some characters may come back from the dead when watching something they die in, only critique IF or when they return and a lot complaining about the multiverse saga are all in on WANTING Steve and Tony brought back from the dead. Yet I would argue bringing back recast Cap and Iron Man by any method would be wrong, variant or otherwise long term and that includes doing so via a full reboot for the foreseeable future (short term popping up just for secret wars would be OK as long as it doesn't stick for me).

The problem is not the multiverse existing or it being a saga building towards incursions of the crisis of infinate earths kind. The problem has been too many projects and/or characters that haven't resonated with the audience but most of those were not in films or shows that had anything multiverse related in it at all (bar those who don't like Loki at all, lol).

Over using the multiverse or poor use, lazy ways to undo stuff is all fair to critiue but multiverse is part and parcel of all things Marvel since forever, why we have those lists of what Earth designation everything is from animations, films, TV shows and comic universes. As long as used wisely and sparingly it's fine and has it's uses but the IDEA that this is the multiverse arc and what folk assume that means is more the issue, not how they have actualy used that in films thus far the few times they directly have. Time will tell if they land the last phase and finale of this saga when we do get to the all timelines converging and how it will all turn out after all that regarding soft reboots or merging timelines or whatever.

@GhostDog - I think the Multiverse works best as a way for characters to introspect and reflect on themselves & their choices such as Loki S1 & Doctor Strange MoM (both Michael Waldron oddly enough)

The cameos & nostalgia can be cool & fun but there needs to be more.

@TheVisionary25 - Yeah those projects aside, it’s crazy how immediately it just became a vehicle for fanservice/nostalgia

@krayzeman - Because people see mutants as a natural replacement of humanity. They don't like it. If there is a homo superior, then the rest of humanity are just inferior homos.

Yet they see superheroes (the mutates) as people who lucked out and got powers

There really isn't a difference, when you think about it, but when has humanity ever thought about things?

@OmegaBlack13 - I would say even NWH had a bit of that too thinking about it.

@krayzeman - I guess superheroes like Captain America will come out and say "We're not mutants".

It's sort of a conceit in the comics that doesn't really hold up under inspection.

I guess if a mutant like Wolverine wanted to be accepted he could just say that he got his powers by being bitten by a radioactive wolverine and Cyclops could say he was bitten by a radioactive eyeball on fire or something, lol. But maybe they don't because it would be pretending to be something else just to fit in.

@krayzeman - I think they will still be outcasts.

Humanity is THREATENED by a mass of the populace replacing them. Humanity will feel less than if MUTANTS become the dominant species and eventually they would. The Mutant gene is like a plague to humans. Spreading and essentially wiping them out figuratively.

Mutants will grow to replace humanity. That idea was introduced in Morrison/Quitely's New X-Men

Magneto's entire rhetoric is replacing humanity. That alone would make mutants outcasts: pushing an entire population of people born with abilities, that replaces those without. The heroes who got powers by accident, happenstance, or mandate aren't a real threat. Its the mutant gene and those who have it that scares everyone. And when you dont have it...you're inferior

@kg8817 - "
But you can’t just put Tom Cruise Tony Stark in there and expect audiences to care. They don’t, because there’s nothing established there. There’s no connection.

That’s when the multiverse DOESN’T work, and is what Marvel is mostly doing. They need to stop."

THIS. You are so right here. Marvel is using it as a tool to not really play those "what if" games. The show what if does it but in live action, they have yet to do it. They are using it cheaply and uninspired in the movies.