BLACK WIDOW: There IS A Deleted Scene Explaining What Happened Between Natasha Romanoff And General Ross

BLACK WIDOW: There IS A Deleted Scene Explaining What Happened Between Natasha Romanoff And General Ross

Fans were left baffled by Black Widow's ending and what felt like a missing scene, and it turns out that a sequence was cut featuring General "Thunderbolt" Ross and Natasha Romanoff. Read on for details...

By JoshWilding - Jul 16, 2021 04:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Black Widow
Source: Acting Career Center

In the closing moments of Black Widow, Natasha Romanoff sends Yelena Belova, Red Guardian, and Melina on a mission to free the rest of Dreykov's Widows. She then waits for General "Thunderbolt" Ross as he closes in with his men, and with that...the screen fades to black and we jump two weeks into the future. 

With no explanation whatsoever, Nat had dyed her hair, acquired a Quinjet, and was heading off to help Steve Rogers break their fellow Avengers out of The Raft. 

It felt like there was a scene missing, though director Cate Shortland has said she didn't feel the need to deliver another action sequence and believed some ambiguity surrounding the hero's escape worked better. There's definitely an argument to be made in that favour, but it turns out that a deleted scene does exist which better explains what happened when Ross finally caught up with the fugitive Avenger.

Acting coach Kurt Yue, who portrayed a Lieutenant in the scene, revealed the following on his YouTube channel.

"Scarlet is standing there, her family leaves, she's basically allowing herself to be captured by Secretary Ross," he explained. "Well, that scene actually, we shot all of that scene to the trucks pulling all the way up to her, us getting out, Secretary Ross gets out, the six agents get out, we all walk up and she gets arrested, I guess. And then gets brought and put into the SUV. We shot that whole scene, but they didn't show that in the movie."

This scene from Black Widow being left on the cutting room floor doesn't sound like the end of the world. However, an argument could definitely be made that there were better ways to handle the transition from her waiting for Ross' men to being a free woman. Even if we had seen this moment, though, there's nothing to say Natasha's escape was ever even shot. 

As a result, the transition from one scene to the other could have been just as jarring, though it will be interesting to see how many deleted scenes for Black Widow we end up getting later this year.


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of Black Widow's biggest Easter Eggs!

10. Incredible Hulk #258

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We're kicking things off with a real deep cut Easter Egg here as the plane the young Natasha and her "family" escape from S.H.I.E.L.D./HYDRA on has the number 258 on it.

This is almost certainly a reference to Incredible Hulk #258, the comic book that first introduced us to a team of Soviet Super Soldiers. They would later be named The Winter Guard, a team created by Russia to rival The Avengers that (a different) Red Guardian was once part of. 

He wasn't an original member, though Crimson Dynamo, Darkstar, Ursa Major, and Vanguard were.

While it's a shame the team doesn't appear in Black Widow, there is a very cool Ursa Easter Egg that we're going to get to a little later in this feature! 
 

9. Another Pose Joke

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A running gag in the movie sees Marvel Studios take aim at the sexualised pose Black Widow has frequently used in the MCU and the fact it doesn't really make any sense from a fighting standpoint.

Needless to say, we're not expecting Florence Pugh's Yelena Belova to make use of that moving forward, but there's actually another "pose" joke you may have missed in Black Widow that comes when Melina (disguised as Natasha) wakes up in her cell aboard the Red Room. 

She's lying in the exact same way Scarlet Johansson posed for one of the Captain America: The Winter Soldier posters, a stance many fans argued at the time was nonsensical. 

It's a cool touch, and a pointed way to reference a past mistake!
 

8. Ursa

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Red Guardian proves to be a massively entertaining part of Black Widow, though we only get to spend a small amount of time with him behind bars. 

There, the Russian Super Soldier challenges many of his fellow prisoners to arm-wrestling contests and makes short work of them. However, the huge guy whose arm he breaks is named Ursa and quite possibly meant to be the aforementioned Ursa Major. 

In the comic books, he's a mutant who transformed into a walking, talking bear. That explains why Alexei makes that bear crack when they face-off, though we're guessing this Ursa is powerless. 

It's a fun Easter Egg, but one that suggests there are no real plans for the character moving forward.
 

7. A Subtle X-Men Tease?

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We're all desperate to see the X-Men in the MCU, so perhaps this is a reach!

However, when Melina mentions that Natasha was chosen for her "genetic" potential (which is a big part of why she was such a successful Black Widow), we can't help but wonder if this is a tease for something bigger. We know that HYDRA unlocked something within Wanda and Pietro Maximoff, and while the former's powers seem to be magic-based, that doesn't explain Quicksilver's speed.

Regardless, later in the movie, Dreykov also talks about searching for the "genetic potential in infants," so could this be a subtle hint that the mutant X-Gene already exists in the MCU? 

Something else might be needed to activate it, but in the meantime, science and magic might be enough to at least tap into that and unleash dormant superpowers.
 

6. Iron Maiden's Mask

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We thought we spotted this in an early trailer for Black Widow, but a closer look at this key scene confirms that, yes, Melina really does have Iron Maiden's mask locked away in her armoury. 

The MCU's version of the character is a fairly significant departure from her comic book counterpart, but it seems she may have once donned Iron Maiden's mask as one of Dreykov's Red Room assassins.

It's possible that it's meant to be a very early version of the technology Natasha later uses to disguise herself (that we first saw in Captain America: The Winter Soldier), but this is still a fun Easter Egg.

Perhaps Melina can don the mask if and when she makes her return?
 

5. Crimson Dynamo

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Yelena pointedly refers to Red Guardian as "Crimson Dynamo" at one point. While it could have been her way of showing she doesn't care about his superhero persona, we can't help but hope there is a Crimson Dynamo somewhere in the MCU. 

The Iron Man villain was Anton Vanko, the old man we met at the beginning of Iron Man 2. His son was Ivan, that movie's lead villain - played by Mickey Rourke - a character who ended up being a weird cross between Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo.

Perhaps Anton once worked for the Red Room, but there's definitely room to make use of this character.

Marvel Studios will likely want to avoid getting too political with any Russian heroes or villains, but we'd love to see this armoured baddie in Armor Wars or Ironheart.
 

4. Hawkeye's Voice Cameo

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Black Widow finally pulls back the curtain on what happened with Natasha and Clint Barton in Budapest, though we don't ever get to see much of that mission. 

There are hints - like arrow holes in the wall of Natasha's apartment where the two clearly fought - but that's about it until Jeremy Renner lends his voice to the movie. That moment comes when Natasha is about to blow Dreykov up, and as cool as it was to get a cameo like this, we can't help but wish it had been a little more significant. 

Director Cate Shortland has said they didn't want to rely on male characters here, and that's absolutely fair enough, but seeing the two fighting side-by-side would have been awesome. 

We'd like to think it's being saved for elsewhere, but don't bank on it!
 

3. "Thank You For Your Cooperation"

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In 2012's The Avengers, a captured Loki taunted Black Widow about the red in her ledger and mentioned Dreykov's daughter. That was explained here when a flashback shows us that, in order to defect to S.H.I.E.L.D., Natasha had to blow the villainous leader of the Red Room up and used his daughter to verify he was there. 

Ultimately, Natasha would outsmart the God of Mischief by figuring out he had plans for The Hulk. It was at that point she said, "Thank you for your cooperation."

After outsmarting Dreykov, Black Widow reels off the exact same line. 

It's a fun throwback and probably the closest the MCU's version of the character has to a catchphrase!
 

2. The Raft Breakout

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While the movie jumps very quickly from General "Thunderbolt" Ross closing in on Black Widow to her having dyed her hair ready for Avengers: Infinity War, the latter scene puts a completely different spin on Captain America: Civil War.

At the end of the 2016 movie, we saw Steve Rogers breaking into The Raft to set his friends free. 

However, this movie reveals that he was able to get there on a Quinjet thanks to Black Widow, while strongly hinting that Natasha was right by his side when Cap freed the likes of Sam Wilson, Scott Lang, and Wanda Maximoff. 

Revealing Natasha was aligned with Steve from the start is a cool touch and emphasises her importance in the MCU.
 

1. Valentina Allegra de Fontaine

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Black Widow's post-credits scene brings back The Falcon and The Winter Soldier's mysterious Valentina Allegra de Fontaine. She was supposed to debut here first, of course, but the shift in release dates doesn't really matter. 

Sending a mourning Yelena after her sister's "killer," Clint Barton, it seems Val - or whoever she reports to if she's not the person in charge - wants Hawkeye dead for reasons which aren't entirely clear. Now, this plot point will obviously be picked up on in the Hawkeye TV series coming to Disney+.

It sounds like Yelena has been working for Val for a while, and between recruiting a Black Widow and her own Captain America in U.S. Agent, it feels like the villain could be assembling a team.

The Dark Avengers, perhaps?
 

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bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/16/2021, 5:03 AM
Why is Ross looking so de-aged in that banner image? Or is it from the scene that takes in the past (in the past of when the movie is set).

Also, would the movie have flowed better if they just made the quinjet scene the mid-credit scene? Got the idea that would fit better.
IKidYouNotMan
IKidYouNotMan - 7/16/2021, 8:36 AM
@bkmeijer - he’s 71 and think he just had prostate cancer so maybe they laid on the de-aging CGI a little thick. At least he’s still around 💪🏼
WeaponXCII
WeaponXCII - 7/16/2021, 5:09 AM
It might have made the scenes connect better, but I like the idea of letting the audience come up with their own scenario. Maybe we’ll see this as a deleted scene, though.
Darth258
Darth258 - 7/16/2021, 5:10 AM
OT. Has anyone ever reported this? It's about a cancelled 1998 Hulk movie. First time i hear of this.

Article is in italian but it links to the source on twitter.

https://www.tomshw.it/culturapop/hulk-nuove-curiose-immagini-dal-film-cancellato-nel-1998/
tazmaniak
tazmaniak - 7/16/2021, 5:35 AM
@Darth258 - This video talks about it.

Darth258
Darth258 - 7/16/2021, 5:39 AM
@tazmaniak - Must have been quite far in production if thy had a working animatronics that size. (Even if the proportions reminded me more of Goro rather than Hulk). I'll watch the video later.
LameLuka
LameLuka - 7/16/2021, 5:14 AM
The scene was in the trailers
Alkazam
Alkazam - 7/16/2021, 5:18 AM
Why she surrended only to escape once again?
Timerider84
Timerider84 - 7/16/2021, 5:39 AM
@Alkazam - So that her black widow family and parents could escape. She also was in the middle of nowhere, she could escape at any moment. She just wanted to get closer to civilization and resources, duh.
Kyos
Kyos - 7/16/2021, 5:43 AM
@Timerider84 - But... their escape didn't seem to be in question at all. She could have joined them and it wouldn't have made any difference.
Timerider84
Timerider84 - 7/16/2021, 5:48 AM
@Kyos - because they wanted her more than they capturing all those assassins and fugitives. She stayed behind so they wouldn't capture them too. She probably has a tracker on her somewhere.
Kyos
Kyos - 7/16/2021, 6:29 AM
@Timerider84 - They did want her, sure. But how did Ross even know she'd be there? Did I miss her sending the authorities a message/signal/something? BEcause I doubt Ross had a tracker on her at that point. He obviously didn't when she tricked him in the beginning of the movie.

And if he did have the option to get to the fleeing aircraft, don't you think he would've? I'd say there'd be a certain interest to apprehend as many people as possible connected to the secret flying fortress that just fell out of the sky over US soil.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 7/16/2021, 7:20 PM
@Kyos - Natasha says that she activated a tracker to lead Ross to her, with the intention of landing the Red Room and delivering it to him.
Kyos
Kyos - 7/17/2021, 12:25 AM
@Chewtoy - Ah, missed that. That explains a lot, thanks. I should pay more attention on my rewatch.
defenderofthefaith
defenderofthefaith - 7/16/2021, 5:30 AM
I'm sort of glad they didn't show us what happened. I like a little mystery where I can draw my own conclusions.
Timerider84
Timerider84 - 7/16/2021, 5:46 AM
@defenderofthefaith - she was captured and once she reached just outside the city, she overtook the security team and drove off. Once inside the city she ditched the SUV, and aquired new wheels, most likely a motorcycle as she could wear a helmet to hide her identity and get away faster and easier from law enforcement.
Ha1frican
Ha1frican - 7/16/2021, 5:40 AM
This I was my biggest issue with the movie tbh, it was pretty jarring and made no sense to me that it cut and then she was just free
bobevanz
bobevanz - 7/16/2021, 5:49 AM
The ending was definitely chopped up
Catmanlives
Catmanlives - 7/16/2021, 6:01 AM
@bobevanz - Yeah. It feels like they eventually settled on "good enough".
Catmanlives
Catmanlives - 7/16/2021, 6:00 AM
From that description it seems to me that they initially decided to have her be arrested and then freed by Captain America with the rest of the captive heroes and then someone didn't like that so they later changed their minds to having her help him break the rest out.
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 7/16/2021, 6:48 AM
@Catmanlives - This actually sounds pretty plausible.
Timerider84
Timerider84 - 7/16/2021, 6:08 AM
It was just easier to say two weeks later, than have a few more action scenes of her capture and escape. It just jumps to two weeks later. Natasha can easily escape, so why show it? So what they captured her, she escaped again, big deal.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 7/16/2021, 12:17 PM
@Timerider84 - They could've not had them show up.
Catmanlives
Catmanlives - 7/16/2021, 6:16 AM
Overall I liked this movie but was disappointed. I wonder how much Clare Shortland's creativity was reined in to fit the Marvel mold (huge Marvel fan BTW).

I say this because for the first quarter of the film I was excited by the tone. Especially everything up to and including the opening credits. It felt like the new MCU director putting her stamp on it. My disappointment came when I realized they weren't going to commit to it. Anyway. Still a fun time but I sense there is a more courageous version of this on paper somewhere.
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