Batman v Superman DOJ make or brake

Batman v Superman DOJ make or brake

How is it that if Batman V Superman Dawn Of Justice fails the entire DCEU is doomed. Someone please explain in the comment section below.

Editorial Opinion
By N3rdBRAIN - Jan 08, 2016 04:01 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman

Hey Guys,

First time writting here. I need some help with some questions bothering me, since the announcment of the movie in 2013,  all i hear is negative shit about DC and Zack Snyder.

I don't understand why! ?



Can anyone explain how is Man of Steel considered a bad movie and how is Batman V Superman make or brake for DC/Warners at such an early stahe in the DCEU ?

So as you know the information for the upcoming movies we mostly get from the various related media and social networks. The actual news basically come from the same source and are reposted everywhere else by bloggers and fans.

The same people that give opinions on the internet comic book sites, youtube channels, movie related sites, geek sites dictate and repeat the same cliches and the same meme inspred quotes.

"Doomsday looks like a Turtle Ninja - Abomination from TIH (2008) "



I guess it didn't bother no one when Abomination took the floor in 2008 and the fact that it didn't really look like Abomination in the Marvel comics was not an issue as well for the same people that now complain.

So with such petty complaints, i don't understand the following >

DC/Warners release Man of Steel their first movie in the DC Cinematic Universe that hints at the existence of other characters outside of the Superman lore. The movie is met with mixed reviews and it makes 668.045 USD WW.

I see that as success, let me tell you why. The movie was the next Superman movie to come after such super hits like Superman Returns, Superman 4, Superman 3, and associated products to his name like tv versions like Smallville and Lois and Clark.



Yes i know that those shows are welcomed by comic book fans but people that are not invested in this hype see them as cheap ass crap. 

That exlains why they went with Man of Steel not Superman Lives or Origins etc. Now the critics that bash it, are mostly either Superman fans that are now pushing 42 and above. I grew up with Superman only in the comics and related media. Most of his interpretations never looked 20 % as good as the one that we saw in MOS.

Now is he to be bashed because he snatched a neck or two, thats up to you. Personally i would have killed Zod as well. [frick]er destroyed my city and threatened to kill you guys along with my mom.



So lets get to my point Batman V Superman DOJ will make or brake DC/Warners - i call total utter bullshit on that one.

Want to know why ? Because the movie even if mediocre will surpass 1 Billion Worldwide - its an event movie. First and last time in the history of motion pictures that Batman meets Superman on the big screen.

People will go to see it and it will gross around 1.5 Billion in its entire run if average, if good it might knock another 300-400 Million. It will not beat a New Hope 2 and Avatar but it will make a lot more than other CBMs.

Now why this movie is definitelly not make or brake, well Everyone loves Marvel right now and have nothing negative to say about them. But lets see some facts.

First four MCU movie have a total WW gross of 1.9 Billion approx.

We have one movie from those that is favourited amongst all CBM fans (Iron Man 2008).

Movie was funny and it had a lot going for it untill the third act (farely not the best villain ever).

So my big question is how is comparing DC's first two movies that will likely gross between 1.6 and 2.2 Billion WW (USD) as unsuccessful with Marvel first four movies grossing 1.9 Billion WW (USD).

What is the measure of a good movie? If we are comparing money, which in my opinion should not be a measure for movie success in any way and if it is how do we adjust it to be fairly compared.

I think with DC/Warners first four movies we might be looking at something around the 4 Billion and a half mark probably. That is if we say BVS does fairly around the 1.5, Suicuide Squad does around 800 Million and JLA does 1.7 Billion (pure speculation on my end but based on popularity of the properties and the actors and directors involved).



Again no measure for success if the movies are wack or resemble Batman and Robin or Catwoman, but i don't think anyone is afraid to go all out on them DC movies and make them look right over at Warners right now.

Doomsday was revealed but make no mistake, nerds knew he is in it and non nerds don't [frick]ing care like 1 %. Also don't think that just because you think you know the entire movie from two 2 minute trailers, you have no idea. 

I suspect Warners are pretty happy with the Nolan approach to "secret keeping", fake movie names, alternative endings being shot to avoid spoilers and are sticking to the formula they have already established. 

Now don't think that if you are a Marvel fan and DC makes 2 times more money than the MCU first four that takes away from Marvel movies, not at all. Everyone should enjoy their favourite ones, no matter what. Please however stop bashing DC for no apparent reason, yes Marvel are the hype of Hollywood right now, but that might not be the case in 2 or 3 years. Everyone is like what if BVS sucks, well what if Civil War sucks? And what if Dr Strange sucks ? 



I kind of bet more on Dr Strange because he seems to be filled with proper talant and maybe will break the villain issue over at Disney. Civil War on the other hand looks like a good ending to a good trilogy for Captain America , but it also feels like a attempt to make a sort of follow up to Age of Ultron. We all know that the big bucks for Marvel come from team movies and that their solo movies are still not where they would like them to be.

In that respective IF YOU were an executive @ Marvel would you miss a chance to make a 1.5 or 1.3 Billion with a team up movie for making Ant-Man money. I can assure you Civil War is aiming for that Avengers box office money, not the Captain America TFA money.
 
All in all, I don’t understand why people that are fans of one thing think that the other will fail. I don’t eat, breathe and pray Marvel but that doesn’t stop me from knowing what they will perform box office wise. Ant-man was a clear loser for me but some people love it. Blogger praise it like a super inventive origin story, still it make 3 times less than Avengers, so clearly only some of Marvel fans went to see it and some didn’t. So no one knows who will make what and who will fail.
 
I bet on Batman V Superman to be a super success, I can’t guarantee numbers but expect something along the lines of Avengers plus money, don’t let the name Zack Snyder fool you that this is some mini movie.


 
2 months and 15 days approx. until we see the first ever shared DC movie.
 
Congrats!
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huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 1/8/2016, 8:59 AM
Break not brake. Although I suppose brake could be accurate as it is a mechanism that slows or ceases movement. But the saying is make or break, as in break a plate. Not make or break as in car brakes.
ossie85
ossie85 - 1/8/2016, 9:43 AM
I liked Man of Steel (not loved) and am hugely excited for BvS.

But WB had to have expected more from MoS ar the boxoffice just by the amount they spent on it. Say if BvS doesn't make a huge amount of cash of course WB will reconsider its plan. If BvS underperforms the Justice League might and the stand alones would look very shaky.

WB are a massive company. They aren't going to make mildly profitable movies when they could make hugely profitable movies.

.... but BvS will make a lot of money.
ossie85
ossie85 - 1/8/2016, 9:47 AM
Please note Ant-Mans $500m was likely more profitable than Man of Steels $700m.

I imagine if Star Wars TFA had only made $1b they'd have lost money also.

Comparing total boxoffice isn't the best way to compare profitability.
CrappyNappy
CrappyNappy - 1/8/2016, 10:06 AM
"The same people that give opinions on the internet comic book sites, youtube channels, movie related sites, geek sites dictate and repeat the same cliches and the same meme inspred quotes.

"Doomsday looks like a Turtle Ninja - Abomination from TIH (2008)"


"It will not beat a *New Hope 2* and Avatar but[...]"

Because saracstically calling Star Wars Episode 7 "a new hope 2" is in no way a repeat of an internet cliché' that's been spewing itself around the inter-webs and on geek sites.

If you're going to argue about what other people are doing, at least make sure you aren't doing the exact same thing yourself.
Forthas
Forthas - 1/8/2016, 10:13 AM
I think that Superman V Batman is make or break for Warner Brothers DC property and rightly so. After a disastrous 2015 where Warner Brothers had only one mild blockbuster breakout movie - San Andreas- it is falling further and further behind its rival studio's Disney and Universal (which does not even have a superhero title). To me it is the sad result of one completely terrible decision to move away from the Nolan universe and launch yet another separate DC one. The Dark Knight movies had more good will, critical reception, and box office ticket sales than the Iron Man movies which somewhat anchored the start of the Marvel universe. For reasons that defy any known logic, in any universe, Warner Brothers decided to put an end to it and start a different one. Imagine if Marvel after the success of Iron Man stated they were going to reboot Iron Man altogether and go in a different direction. In hindsight that seems ludicrous, yet that is EXACTLY what DC did with their universe and their Batman franchise. Spare me the ridiculous rumors of Nolan forcing the studio to do it (since he does not own the rights to Batman and publicly championed a Cat Woman spin off). Also, please do not bring up the fictional story of Christian Bale not wanting to do it again when he has publicly stated that he was not asked to reprise the role. For whatever wrong reason they decided to do it...you are now seeing the results of it. The general audience has tired of the various versions of Batman especially removing one they liked similar to the Spider-man debacle; they have changed and miscast characters so frequently that no one has faith in the product anymore. For every one Heath Ledger that fans were wrong about, there is a an Alicia Silverstone, Halle Berry, Kate Bosworth - and yes even Michael Keaton - that they were correct about. They are now trying to sell Ben Affleck (who failed in a similar role); Gal Gadot (who has miniscule acting experience and does not look like the character she is playing), and Jesse Eisenberg (who embodies everything that is contrary to the character he is supposed to portray) and one can see why Warner Brothers/DC is second guessed at every turn. Time and time again, with the exception of the Nolan Batman, and to some extent Man of Steel, they have not put enough effort into offering quality stories, just mind numbing visual effects or appeals to nostalgia.

Man of Steel (a flawed movie, but one I generally liked) would have been a good way to continue within the Nolan universe (they even had the Wayne symbol from the Dark Knight films represented in Man of Steel). Tragically they chose not to take that course which in my opinion ultimately is going to lead to failure for DC fans and puts their ability to offer a shared universe at risk. My prediction for BvS is that it makes LESS money than Man of Steel world wide unless it is a stellar movie that blows everyone away which after seeing the trailers is virtually guaranteed not to be the case.
tonytony
tonytony - 1/8/2016, 10:45 AM
@Forthas you are entitled to your opinion but bear in mind that on fandango survey of most anticipated 2016 movies bvs is more anticipated than civil war. in fact bvs is the 3rd most anticipated movie of 2016. so to normal audience or anyone without disney/marvel blinkers on bvs is hitting the mark.

you are entitled to your opinion but your opinion seems a load of shit.
Forthas
Forthas - 1/8/2016, 11:04 AM
@tonytony

Your colorful language aside, my response is that movies such as Man of Steel; Thor The Dark World; Sin City: A Dame to Kill For; and The Wolverine were highly anticipated in 2013 by Fandango. That does not mean they would go on to make 1 billion dollars (with some on that list under-performing) and despite the fact that it was that very year Warner Brothers had predicted Man of Steel to make more than any other film in 2013. Man of Steel came in 9th.
tonytony
tonytony - 1/8/2016, 11:09 AM
@forthas who knows? maybe it might be civil war or doctor strange that goes on to underperform like age of ultron and ant man from just last year.

Either way you wont see me wishing any failure on any of those. But thats the problem with you disney trolls you only ever see things one sided. BUt The GA doesnt buy your bullshit.
Forthas
Forthas - 1/8/2016, 11:32 AM
@tonytony

I responded to an editorial about if BvS is a make or [sic]break effort with my opinion. I am not sure what makes me a "Disney troll" but...whatever. You are right, Civil War COULD be a movie that under performs but at least you have the history of its sequels as a barometer. It is hard to judge BVS based on Man of Steel. I think MOS did well but the massive introduction of a new Batman and Wonder Woman makes it not feel like a sequel.
Forthas
Forthas - 1/8/2016, 11:40 AM
@ Pitt

Let's look at your logic. MOS made less because of Superman Returns (I presume you mean because it was not well received). That could go both ways then. Superman Returns has a higher critic score on Rotten Tomatoes 76% to MOS 56% and a lower audience score 61% to MOS 76%. Combining the score makes no sense but they are close enough so that it would seem that MOS would then lead to the same result for its sequel...BVS!
tonytony
tonytony - 1/8/2016, 1:11 PM
@Forthas actually the introduction of those characters is no different to civil war replacing cap3. stop hating
AT3374
AT3374 - 1/8/2016, 1:50 PM
Can't we all get along . Enough of this taking sides nonsense !!
Erik10101
Erik10101 - 1/8/2016, 2:05 PM
@N3rdBRAIN @tonytony

It's baffling to me that users like N3rdBRAIN or tonytony flaunt statistics for MoS as if it was some kind of huge hit at the box office. It did fine. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's also interesting that they don't understand how the box office climate has changed between 2008 and 2013. Inflation is obviously still happening. The international box office has EXPLODED in the past five years.

It's really telling that the first Iron Man made $318,412,101 in 2008 in the US while MoS made $291,045,518 in the US in 2013.

I'm not "hating"; just spewing facts that I'd like to hear some response to.
HierarchArtanis
HierarchArtanis - 1/8/2016, 2:14 PM
MoS was good, the hate is only from unappeasable man children who can't stop bitching. They should be happy we're even getting these, as the superhero craze has already begun to fade...
AT3374
AT3374 - 1/8/2016, 2:17 PM
@ Pitt

Everyone is going to see these movies at least once and if we really like it , several more times . Every movie had some kind of plot whole and things that don't make a ton of sense , with the exception of Citizen Kane which I doubt most of us have ever watched . Just sit back and enjoy everyone , this is great time for us CBM fans starting with DP . * gets off of soap box , stumbles , falls and scraps his knee *
Jazzy4
Jazzy4 - 1/8/2016, 3:38 PM
In that respective IF YOU were an executive @ Marvel would you miss a chance to make a 1.5 or 1.3 Billion with a team up movie for making Ant-Man money.
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Yes i would because Marvel Studios are totally different from WB one and therefore the number one aim of both studios vastly differ.

Marvel Studio is doing EXCLUSIVELY movies about CB characters. That's all it does.

It will keep on doing it long before the other studios like WB will have slowed down their offer cause they can afford to replace CBM by non CBM and still survive as a studio.

DC movies therefore are competiting with non CBM within WB when it comes to decide which project should be prioritized and get the budget.

For a long time Harry Potter was the priority and if the DCEU doesn't deliver according what their own projections, the money dedicated to some of those movies will be funnel rapidely to non CBM, the DCEU may halt prematurelly if WB perceive that it isn't as profitable to invest in that project than in others non CB related.

Marvel doesn't have to compete with non CBM to get its projects from the ground, to get money invested in them.

Just because a CBM does lower doesn't mean it will be replaced by a non CB one from Marel Studio. It will likely be replaced by another CB property or Marvel will be more inclined to try to save it with a better sequel and keep on expanding its MCU regardless.

Marvel just compete with itself, between CB properties and won't stop if some underperform.

It's first isn't making instant big bucks with the same properties. It's aim is to last as long as possible. It's main concern is longevity as a studio within a big conglomerate.

And to get longevity, you need to balance your offer by diversifying, hence why the turnover of new properties is much higher.

Think of it like a cellphone companies. Just because one model is currently popular doesn't stop the company to innovate and create other products, not just upgrade or seralize the same products.

That's the only way to last longer.

I am pretty sure that if WB or FOX had IM, after IM3 we would already be at IM4 because those studios don't need to rely SOLELY on CBM to exist. They have other options to replace them.

So their first aim will be first and foremost to exploit as soon as possible the CBM current wave to generate maximum profit with the most likely profitable product, knowing that when the wave slow down, they can replace it by the new IT non CB product.

Marvel on the otherhand, needs to think long term for its own longevity.

Also, being owned by Disney for which the main source of revenues isn't movies but merchandising and park increase the likelyhood of creating new products. A new movie is an additional source of merchandising.

Antman may have hit only (all relative) half a billion but it (will) generate even more in terms of merchandising and has created a new franchise that may break out evenmore in later franchises.
jakmanuk
jakmanuk - 1/9/2016, 3:23 AM
Comparing Man of Steel and Batman v Superman to the phase one Marvel movies is stupid. Everybody has heard of Superman and Batman. Not many have heard of Iron Man, Captain America, Thor or Hulk. Obviously the DC films were, and are, going to make more money
Forthas
Forthas - 1/9/2016, 10:42 AM
@sintzu

The Nolan Trilogy were each stand alone films which is part of what made them great. But unless Batman was killed then they can always tell another story. Tons of movies start off as stand alone films but evolve or are open ended enough to have sequels and spinoff films. There was no reason. Christopher Nolan was publicly recommending a Catwoman spin off.
xinstituto
xinstituto - 1/10/2016, 9:55 AM
Nolan Trilogy should be considered part of MCU, it would make sense he was saved by another superhero by the end of the movie
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