BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER Rumor Reveals New Details About Namor, Atlantis, And...Doctor Doom?!

BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER Rumor Reveals New Details About Namor, Atlantis, And...Doctor Doom?!

We have some huge rumours to share with you about Black Panther: Wakanda Forever today, including possible plans for Namor the Sub-Mariner, Atlantis, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe debut of Doctor Doom.

By JoshWilding - Jan 14, 2022 03:01 PM EST
Source: Bleeding Cool

There have been rumblings for a while now that Black Panther: Wakanda Forever will pit T'Challa's home nation against Atlantis, and Bleeding Cool (who rarely post scoops, but tend to be extremely reliable when they do) has now shared a few fresh pieces of intel. The site reveals we should expect to see Namor the Sub-Mariner, his cousin Namora, and Atlantean warlord Attuma in the sequel.

Apparently, Namor's role will be similar to Black Panther's in Captain America: Civil War, likely to set up a solo outing of his own somewhere down the line.

The site also reiterates previous rumours that Black Panther: Wakanda Forever will introduce Fantastic Four villain Doctor Doom. They've heard that his presence will be a minor one, likely just to imply that Latveria's leader was responsible for Wakanda and Atlantis squaring off. Marvel Studios has reportedly been working on a costume, so chances are we'll catch at least a glimpse of Victor.

Finally, it's noted that Namor and Namora will not be played by white actors. In fact, the Atlanteans reportedly won't be blue (unlike their comic book counterparts), so this could explain previous reports that Tenoch Huerta is playing Namor. Attuma, meanwhile, is said to have a significant role here.

There's a lot to digest if this is accurate, but the Black Panther sequel is clearly going to be a much bigger movie than we initially anticipated. Doom's rumoured presence is the biggest tease here, though, and this does feel like a good place for him to cement himself as one of the MCU's new big bads. Again, we have heard variations of what's reported here previously, but the site seems confident in their source and the fact a costume has been made for Doom is definitely new information. 

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever arrives in theaters on November 11, 2022.

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Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 1/14/2022, 3:49 PM
Doubt it, but
Fogs
Fogs - 1/14/2022, 7:06 PM
@Reeds2Much - The Best Villain.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 1/14/2022, 3:51 PM
Skeptical
Manmarvel
Manmarvel - 1/14/2022, 3:52 PM
I'm ready for Namor. It is time.
Nebula
Nebula - 1/14/2022, 3:52 PM
I just want the Fantastic Four on screen again.

Manmarvel
Manmarvel - 1/14/2022, 4:08 PM
@Nebula - a well done MCU version at that.
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 1/14/2022, 5:52 PM
@Nebula - Be careful what you wish for.

You may not recognize them when you finally see 'em. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The1st
The1st - 1/14/2022, 3:53 PM

Fogs
Fogs - 1/14/2022, 7:07 PM
@The1st - I want Doom to be the mastermind. Fooling every single hero AND the audience whenever he appears.
The1st
The1st - 1/15/2022, 11:03 AM
@Fogs - Absolutely, I would be ok would crumbles being littered here and there and maybe finding out a movie or 2 later he was manipulating things...maybe even do so because he was aware of Kang.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 1/14/2022, 3:55 PM
Guess i'm the only one who believes Rich, lel. :P

Interesting stuff.
UXASIS
UXASIS - 1/14/2022, 3:55 PM
I mean having the Clash of Kings (which sounds like a dope title) would be great, but having to introduce a brand new Panther, I think that is too much for one movie.

So I'd give Namor a go, and have Doom only in the midcredits scene.

I hope they will come up with something new tho, I don't want every BP movie to be about a villain trying to seize the throne.

CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 1/14/2022, 6:30 PM
@UXASIS - Cool thing is they don't even have to have anyone cast as Doom yet. They can literally slap anyone in his armor and have a voice over for his appearance on Black Panther.
globaltravels
globaltravels - 1/15/2022, 1:02 AM
@UXASIS - I dont think it's too much. Have T'Challas funeral, the new BP puts on the suit to 'honor' T'Challa. Something goes wrong, innocent people die and they don't want the suit. Namor attacks and the new BP has to suit up and overcome their fears and doubts. Saves Wakanda, makes peace with Namor. Discovers a hidden threat. The end.
UXASIS
UXASIS - 1/15/2022, 4:34 AM
@CorndogBurglar - I mean yeah that would work.

On the other hand I'd like Marvel to slowly introduce Victor Von Doom, (maybe as a more of a light-hearted character/hero) who slowly evolves into the cynical egoistic Doom we know (and his seizure of the throne of Latveria.

I kinda enjoyed Infamous Iron Man, where Doom tries to act like a hero, even though society doesn't accept him as such.




And before Secret Wars he becomes God Emperor Doom.

nightwing2090
nightwing2090 - 1/14/2022, 3:55 PM
Just a lot of wishful thinking
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 1/14/2022, 3:56 PM
Sounds legit - they have to plant the seeds sooner or later. Just worried about all of these feeling overstuffed.

Particularly worried about Multiverse of Madness and Wakanda Forever.
JustBrootal
JustBrootal - 1/14/2022, 6:11 PM
@regularmovieguy - its weird they could have planted so many little seeds if they had planned this all better, i feel like this multiverse stuff is really a way for them to protect themselves and their future investments in actors they lock these roles for. we have heard nothing of many of the staple Marvel characters existing and then suddenly they have been here the whole time. shoehorn everything in later is what seems to be what theyre up to
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 1/14/2022, 6:46 PM
@regularmovieguy - The seeds are there. Overtly you have the "Earthquake off the coast of Africa" for Atlantis and Namor, and then much looser you have Sokovia which is a war-torn nation with ties to Wanda and Pietro which with some creative license can become Latveria.

I mean, it's pure asspull on my part so take it with the appropriate amount of salt, I'm just saying it's not nearly that far out in left field.
Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 1/14/2022, 7:26 PM
@JustBrootal - It seems like its a lazy way for them to be able to introduce characters to the MCU for sure.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 1/14/2022, 7:55 PM
@regularmovieguy - yep
UXASIS
UXASIS - 1/14/2022, 3:58 PM
Also, make Namor a full-blown villain (for the whole movie) and let him evolve through MCU into an anti-hero / Defender.

I'd like a Civil War-type relationship more than ''heroes fight and then something happens (cough ''Martha'' cough) and they become instant besties (which didn't happen only in BvS).
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 1/14/2022, 6:43 PM
@UXASIS - if Attuma is really in this, then I think he'll be the main villain. Namor can still be one too like Tony was in Civil War, but atleast his motivations need to understandable
KWilly
KWilly - 1/14/2022, 3:58 PM
Might as well have reworked this as a Namor solo, lol
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 1/14/2022, 4:02 PM
Would’ve been way better with T’Challa
TheManWithoutFear
TheManWithoutFear - 1/14/2022, 4:06 PM
It kind of tracks. They are doing a clash of nations in Wakanda vs Atlantis. Latveria could come into play. And Doom could just be the suit, without needing to cast a name for him yet. Similar to Thanos in the first Avengers.
StSteven
StSteven - 1/14/2022, 6:10 PM
@TheManWithoutFear - I was thinking something the same lines. Considering that the title of the film focuses on Wakanda, and how BP1 ended with T'Challa announcing their presence to the world, but now the rest of the world would know about their resources and technology. That sounds like just the thing that Doom would want to get his metal mitts on. In the meantime, maybe Namor is pissed about the Emergence or something else and decides to start some shit and for whatever reason Wakanda is who steps up to confront him. Or maybe Namor just blames them for whatever. Either way I can see Doom as being the one to manipulate the two nations into fighting each other while he just waits for his opportunity to take what he wants from a weakened Wakanda. So in that case he's just in the shadows manipulating everyone while the focus is on the other two. Namor is the primary villain but with understandable motives. AND, given that we know that they will feature T'Challa's death, maybe for Wakanda the focus won't be on the new BP so much for this film (at least not at first) because the nation has to deal with Namor while trying to decide who the new BP is.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 1/14/2022, 6:42 PM
@StSteven - having Doom as actually wanting to help either side could be a nice turn of events too.

Instead of having Doom be a villain from the start, we could see him grow into that character through his interaction with the world
StSteven
StSteven - 1/14/2022, 8:25 PM
@bkmeijer - Actually, now that you mention it I see what a short-sighted fool I was :). OF COURSE Marvel isn't going to take a character like Doom (who will probably end up being the big bad of one of these phases) and portray him as a one-sided mustache twirling super-villain (although how he would be able to twirl a mustache under that mask is beyond me - me he has little holes in the mask and the mustache sticks out from them). Now how they do that is what will be interesting. I don't know if they would go full-on magnanimous good-guy with him to start (can you imagine hat the fan backlash to THAT would look like - yikes!), BUT I can see them portraying him as being a sympathetic character in the sense that he just wants what is best for his beloved Latveria and it's people. He portrays himself as the kind and benevolent ruler. And maybe we get hints that there's more to him than that as time (and the movies he shows up in) progress. And that's how we see he's really more of a manipulator for his own ends (without getting too close to Zero in terms of motivation, which could easily happen if he masterminds the clash between Wakanda and Atlantis, like in Civil War).

I guess all those previous F4 movies have permeated my brain to the point that I automatically go straight to cackling, menacing, Super Hero Squad Doom. I may need therapy.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 1/15/2022, 1:22 AM
@StSteven - nah, every once in a while wanting a villain that is just straight up evil is okay. Not every villain needs to be sympathetic, although it would help make him more interesting (like with Zemo)
StSteven
StSteven - 1/15/2022, 12:41 PM
@bkmeijer - Agreed but I think that it depends upon how invested you want your audience to be in said villain and the "level" of that villain. Like, for example, if it were someone like MCU Crossbones, he was obviously a lower level villain and really just intended to be someone for Cap to punch, so there wasn't really a need to flesh him out much. But for someone like Doom, who has an obviously rich history in the comics and a lot to draw from, and who will presumably be one of some phase's main baddie, Marvel's definitely going to take their time fleshing him out. Also, he's human and on Earth, so that gives them more to work with as far as fleshing him out than they had with, say, Thanos. I'm assuming that Marvel will do that with all their big bad guys as much as possible (for example, by the time Galactus gets to Earth we're going to know a lot more about him than him just being a big purple pace cloud).
StSteven
StSteven - 1/15/2022, 12:41 PM
@StSteven - *space cloud
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 1/15/2022, 2:37 PM
@StSteven - with how the MCU is being set up now, I can easily see Galactus be a Celestial. A lot of story can be written there (like him being a rogue Celestial).

He even already has a pretty Celestial sounding name: Galactus the Devourer
StSteven
StSteven - 1/15/2022, 3:55 PM
@bkmeijer - Yep, totally makes sense. Plus if you look at the scale of the Celestials relative to Earth and other cosmic entities, it fits Galactus' size as he's typically portrayed in the comics pretty damn well. So after how they portray the Celestials in Eternals they can totally make Galactus an actual (non-cloud) humanoid and it won't seem weird at all (although I'm pretty sure that if they go this route they will "Celestial-if him a bit to match the aesthetic of the rest of them, to a certain point). And, yeah, your idea about him being a rouge or even "deviant" Celestial who instead of using planets to birth new Celestials simply seeks to devour them for his own personal gain just makes sense. It could even paint the other Celestials in a more noble light as they are just trying to expand their numbers to bring more life into the universe (as Arishem says in Eternals), whereas Galactus is all about seizing that energy for himself. Hot damn! I think we just cracked it!! Get Feige on the phone. Do you have his number? I did but I think it was in a pair of jeans that my wife washed without asking me first.

Seriously, I have a feeling that everything we're talking about is already taped to a wall in Kevin's MCU "war room" and we're like 12 steps behind him.
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