Mandarin: how can it work on screen

Mandarin: how can it work on screen

A little look at one way i can think off that Mandarin can be brought to the big screen.

Editorial Opinion
By Paulley - May 11, 2010 10:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Iron Man

So the Mandarin's origins are a little bit out-there

[i]Hoping to find a means of revenging himself upon the civilization that had taxed him and rendered him homeless, the Mandarin explored the forbidden "Valley of Spirits," where no one had dared to set foot for centuries.[7] There he found the skeleton and starship of Axonn-Karr, an intelligent dragon-like alien from the planet Maklu-4, who had come to Earth centuries ago and died. Over the following years, the Mandarin studied Makluan science until he mastered it. He also learned how to use the ten rings he found within the starship which were apparently its propulsion source, among other things. The Mandarin then became a conqueror and subjugated the villages around the Valley, and, through his advanced science, rapidly became a power that not even the Chinese Army could successfully challenge. He then embarked on a long series of attempts to achieve world domination.[/i] - source Wikipedia

I think we can all safely say that this wont work on the big screen, so lets face it we are going to have to mix things up.



Magic vs Science

I think its fair to say the ring can not be typical technology but before the fanboys jump in and complain remember that "magic" in this Movie Universe (namely Asgard) is being referred to as another dimensional technology/science.. that just because we can comprehend it, we see it as supernatural.



Gene Khan / Zhang Tong / Tem Borjigin... or what ever Madarin's real name is

for arguments sake say Gene Khan. khan‘s character should be something similar to that of Stane’s in that he is a smart, and a ruthless businessman but like Stark has a big ego, always trying to be the best, and having the habit to want do things himself.



Origin
Khan climbs a mountain in China while taking a conference call where he is dealing in weapons with shady terrorist figures when an accident happens.

nearly dying, a dragon like creature tempts Khan to come inside his cave lair (which happens to be a gateway to an unearthly dimension) and take ten gem/rings.. Treating it much like the serpent and the apple (Forbidden Fruit) myth .. these rings give him great power but it turn him more and more evil as the films goes on… even his face changes slightly and his skin gets more green…



Final battle
In the final battle where The Mandarin has pretty much lost all sanity and is basically just evil, its revealed that the rings are just a trick and the dragon was using the Mandarin as a way to exist in the real world.

Iron Man could battle the dragon at the end. Which you could say is Fing Fang Foom.

Post credits scene
Though what would be good is at the end the camera shows the dragons lair and a little away from it out in the middle of nowhere a village seemingly dedicated to martial arts training called K'un-L'un... so this dragon's other dimensional lair could also contain the Iron Fist dragon too.

Remember K'un-L'un and there dragon is, if you remember rightly, an alien colony that links/merges to Earth though other dimensional portals much like Asgard.



Anyway thats my idea.. what can you guys come up with
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Paulley
Paulley - 5/11/2010, 11:10 AM
lol like that was even an option
1chris2
1chris2 - 5/11/2010, 11:45 AM
use fin fang foom as a hybrid animal/human that mandarin creats and wakes up at the end of the film,and have mandarin's rings use as tech based. that way its kinda science based in the film and i think it could be really cool to see fin fang foom done this way and use both characters. ultron,leader,abomination,absorbing man,and winter soldier for the avengers,and the sckrull for the sequel. and make the first avengers film a long film or to films back to back.
ClintEastwood
ClintEastwood - 5/11/2010, 11:52 AM
IRON MAN FIGHTING A DRAGON. Nobody will watch that.
AngryRob
AngryRob - 5/11/2010, 12:51 PM
I gotta agree with Clint kind of. Throwing a big dragon into the Iron Man movie continuity would just kind of come out of no where. Yeah seeing a guy in a metal suit fighting a giant beast would be a bad ass knight/dragon fight, but it just doesn't fit.
OdinsBeard
OdinsBeard - 5/11/2010, 1:01 PM
the only way i see people able to grasp the whole "leader of the ten rings" thing (which is totally the way to go) is if you have a few scenes with cameo apearances by Jeff Bridges, Faran Tahir, and/either/or Sam Rockwell. (i haven't seen iron man 2 yet so im not sure if he does have one of the rings i just remember from the screen shot that came out we all thought he did) show scenes of them meeting up with the Mandarin as flashbacks and shed light on a whole large conspiracy involving the Starks, the Vankos, the US Military ect, ect... that has been going on this whole time and we didn't even know it.
ClintEastwood
ClintEastwood - 5/11/2010, 1:34 PM
I don't think I phrased it right, the fans would watch it but Joe the average movie goers gonna see Tony fighting a DRAGON and just think it looks stupid. I don't see how it wouldn't be hokey.
JohnClayBurchett
JohnClayBurchett - 5/11/2010, 2:34 PM
I know Mandarin is Iron Man's biggest arch nemesis, but personally I think this idea is a bad one. I understand comics mythos and I understand a lot of people want this to happen, but I'm telling you, no matter how well it is done....Iron Man fighting magic and dragons.....eeehhhh....Not to say that people won't come out and it'll still pull in a few hundred million at the Box office simply because of the awesomeness and popularity of the first 2. Still....it's a bad bad idea.

On the other side of the coin....how many more movies can we make with Iron Man battling someone who's stealing his tech and making their own suit bla bla bla. Best I can figure for a HUGE fan draw is Iron Man vs the Hulk and Tony conjuring up his Hulkbuster suit.....then again they may write that into the Avengers movie?? I just don't know guys.

What do you guys think??
superbatspiderman
superbatspiderman - 5/11/2010, 3:11 PM
In the next Ironman he should fight the Mandarin and Ultimo Fin Fang Foom would be sort of stupid Ultimo would be better.
Paulley
Paulley - 5/11/2010, 4:03 PM
remember its not magic its just other dimensional science like asgard.

He would still be the big boss behind everything including the Ten Rings

The dragon only came up cus i know people like Fang Foom and they want some connection to the comic story... plus it was the only thing i could think off for why he is green and psycho evil
JohnClayBurchett
JohnClayBurchett - 5/11/2010, 4:57 PM
We'll see. I guess I'm not completely against it, but I still think it's in the high percentile to fail.

I trust Jon though. The only real negative is the fact that they'll have to tweak it so so much that EVERYONE will freak the F out and whine til' their eyes fall out.
Denn1s
Denn1s - 5/11/2010, 6:49 PM
@mikesanderson something like that happened in an issue of marvel adventures iron man where he fought a giant robot dragon. it was pretty cool. it could definetely work...
Paulley
Paulley - 5/12/2010, 2:55 AM
Not a problem, glad to be of amusment.
Paulley
Paulley - 5/12/2010, 2:59 AM
ooh back on subject.. things are going to be changed drastically from the source to get Madarin on screen.. i was never really a fan of the character, proberly cus i grew up on the silly version from the cartoon so it doesnt bother me.. i just hope the fanboys can except that things will be different and live with it..
1chris2
1chris2 - 5/12/2010, 5:56 AM
if mandarin uses scientist to create a hybrid animal/human dragon creature and has a tech based rings it would work.
ManOfIron
ManOfIron - 5/12/2010, 10:05 AM
it'll probably be a dragon robot with an arc reactor in it since everyone is getting one these days. But since they did show him (fing fang foom) in the first movie on a poster as a Vegas attraction/show, maybe it could be the Mandarin's disguise. He could use his "mystical powers" to bring a giant robotic dragon to our world but the dragon is just a robot he built. But of course, he decides he wants power so he turns the dragon into a weapon and wreaks havok on humanity. idk
all i know is, if you're going to make a trailer for a movie, and its not a teaser, make sure the majority of your footage used in the trailer is in the movie (aka Pepper kissing his helmet and throwing it off the plane, Tony teaching Nat how to use the repulsor, and anything else i may have missed) lol just saying.
oh, and don't treat the shield of Cap so disrespectfully lol though it does kind of set up a feud between them when they try to work together.
KiddSoul
KiddSoul - 5/12/2010, 10:24 PM
Anil Rickly and Odinsbeard, you guys along with Paulley are on to something...I hope Marvel is taking notes from their own material to come up with an idea that would do this character complete justice. Cool!
MathA
MathA - 10/26/2010, 9:26 PM
What's with all the Fin Fang Foom stuff? The Mandarin has had exactly ONE story in his fifty year history that involved Fin Fang Foom. In the overwhelming majority of stories, the Mandarin is like DC's Prometheus, a criminal who combines science and martial-arts mastery to defeat foes.

The way to film the Mandarin is to go with his scientific genius/martial arts grandmaster/criminal mastermind roots and keep him simple. No Fin Fang Foom, not in any form.
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