Marvel Studios Reportedly Reducing Yearly Output Of Movies And TV Shows As Phase 5 Continues

Marvel Studios Reportedly Reducing Yearly Output Of Movies And TV Shows As Phase 5 Continues

We've been hearing a lot about Marvel Studios returning to a quality-over-quantity approach to storytelling in Phase 5, and a new rumour suggests we'll soon see a noteworthy reduction in yearly releases.

By JoshWilding - Apr 03, 2023 06:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Studios
Source: The Hot Mic

While the pandemic resulted in some big delays following the releases of Avengers: Endgame and Spider-Man: Far From Home in 2019, Phase 4 started strong and, with the addition of TV shows on Disney+, there was no slowing down from there. 

While we can't complain too much about near-monthly MCU content, some movies and episodes (if not entire seasons) have struggled to live up to the quality of what we saw in the Infinity Saga. Now, with Bob Iger returning as Disney CEO, it sounds like the plan is for Marvel Studios to focus less on producing an endless series of content and more on strong storytelling. 

According to Jeff Sneider on The Hot Mic podcast, "Marvel's target output has been reduced...I'm told that the target output has been reduced from four shows and four movies a year to two shows and three movies a year. And of course, that's malleable. You could get one on either side of that, or whatever."

You need only look at this year for proof of that as the likes of Ironheart, Agatha: Coven of Chaos, and What If...? are all expected to be pushed into 2024...if not beyond.

We won't even get our first MCU TV show of the year until Secret Invasion in June! As for movies, Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania was recently released to negative reviews, while cosmic stories Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 and The Marvels (which was recently delayed) are up next. 

If Marvel Studios plans to stick with this, then we're going to see some major delays, as the latest slate update has the next three years with four movies in each of them. 

Needless to say, we now expect Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars to be pushed even further down the release calendar. 

Keep checking back here for updates. 

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TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 4/3/2023, 6:18 AM
Let’s see how it goes. The writing has to change but honestly I think D+ is a poisoned well. Ditch it.
supermanrex
supermanrex - 4/3/2023, 9:40 AM
@TheWalkingCuban - you can most certainly ditch it. far too many people love the shows and want to watch more. we will enjoy them and you can find other media for yourself. but they arent going to ditch putting mcu content on their premeire streaming platform because a few people are "fatigued"
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 4/3/2023, 1:18 PM
@supermanrex - I think most subs are starting to ditch the D+ shows. Ms Marvel and She Hulk had record low nielson ratings last I checked. Good reviews can't replace low views.

Agree it won't stop Disney from making anymore shows, but they will definitely reconsider giving each show 120+ mil per season. The buzz for Loki S2 and Secret Invasion seem high so we'll have to see if She-hulk and Ms. Marvel were just outliers.
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 4/3/2023, 5:16 PM
@supermanrex - that I am, mate.
That I am.
VictorAlonzo
VictorAlonzo - 4/5/2023, 2:31 PM
@TheWalkingCuban - it could've been great. They just needed good writers who were free to create the best stories possible.

This news is like saying

"the NBA decides to only play 30 games a season due to poor shooting percentages."

🤨

DONT SHORTEN PLAYTIME. HIRE BETTER ATHELETES!!!
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 4/5/2023, 5:23 PM
@VictorAlonzo - exactly, great analogy
Origame
Origame - 4/3/2023, 6:22 AM
Definitely a positive development. Remember, the only real common element between all mcu projects is feige. And he can't be everywhere at once.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/3/2023, 6:45 AM
@Origame - ikr, He's not Michelle Yeoh.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/3/2023, 6:42 AM
We need more good movies. And less bad movies.

Phase 4 had it's moments but that wasn't enough in a sea of disappointment.
Shang Chi was fine, NWH was well-loved, etc.

It takes more than just one good movie to reverse the flow. Wakanda Forever was very good, but what happened there? Did everybody declare that Marvel was back? Have we stopped talking about superhero fatigue? No. The best it got was an Oscar nom for Angie Basset (imo the whole movie deserved to be lauded).

It came and went, largely un-talked about. Because it was only a drop in an ocean of bad sentiment.
And then came Quantumania and everybody was too busy declaring Marvel DITW to even remember that Wakanda Forever had happened.

We need less bad movies. The ratio of good to bad has to change.
GOTG V3 will probably be good. Secret Invasion looks good. And now, hopefully, everything from The Marvels onwards will be mostly good because they are actually caring to craft these things and take their time with them.

🤞🏾
Tasmaniac
Tasmaniac - 4/3/2023, 7:06 AM
@ObserverIO - I dunno man, I watched Wakanda Forever with a mate and we both agreed it was perfectly text book average.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/3/2023, 7:15 AM
@Tasmaniac - So then it wasn't the worst movie in the world, right?
Personally I think it was far and above 'average', but even that isn't a bad review.

A Marvel movie that wasn't bad is exactly what people were yearning for. And yet it still did nothing, because that's not enough.

If a movie like Wakanda Forever had come out 5-10 years ago, we would have been singing it's praises, talking about how wonderful it was and the character arcs and how we don't usually see such strong emotionally driven cbms, etc. etc.
Because 5-10 years ago we were excited. Not apathetic.

You can't blame us, but that's what we are right now. Apathetic.
SheepishOne
SheepishOne - 4/3/2023, 8:02 AM
@ObserverIO - Ehhh I didn't really care for Wakanda Forever. It was a movie about side characters that felt more like an epilogue than anything. I understand Boseman's passing derailed a lot of the plans, but the movie also kept reminding the audience that "hey, we had a better movie planned, it's not our fault".

Namor was cool, but Shuri was so incredibly uninteresting to me that finishing the movie became a chore. And that's not me bashing the actress or anything. I just don't think the writing was on point. I will say the movie was well shot and had really interesting cinematography. But story-wise, I consider it a raspberry.
Frshcoupe
Frshcoupe - 4/3/2023, 9:17 AM
@Tasmaniac - exactly. I felt the same. And to the point of the post you replied to, it was forgettable very quickly. I’m not even interested in watching it for a second viewing. The first Black Panther i watched multiple times.
Tasmaniac
Tasmaniac - 4/4/2023, 4:32 AM
@ObserverIO - “A Marvel movie that wasn’t bad is exactly what people are yearning for”? Seriously? That’s your bar? I think it’s pretty evident from the box office returns that people want something special, not “not bad”. That’s why NWH was so successful and everything else in Phase 4 has underperformed. I think people are sick of just OK, and if Marvel want to stay afloat, they need to get their shit together very quickly.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/4/2023, 5:39 AM
@Tasmaniac - This is true. They need more than just an okay movie. But people would inevitably chant the same refrain when a Marvel movie was due out "Please don't suck", that's all they seemed to want.

We should be hoping and praying for more than just a movie that doesn't suck.

If Phase 5 ends up being as mid-to-bad as Phase 4, then it's gonna take a real miracle to get everybody reinvested in this universe again. Maybe if Secret Wars reboots everything, then they can start from scratch again and get people back in that way.
Even if Phase 5 and 6 is good, I think a reboot might be the most sensible option all around, tbh.
Tasmaniac
Tasmaniac - 4/4/2023, 6:07 AM
@ObserverIO - Yeah, I’m cautiously optimistic about Secret Invasion marking a return to a more serious tone. However The Marvels doesn’t instil me with confidence that it will continue.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/4/2023, 9:49 AM
@Tasmaniac - Despite how good I might THINK The Marvels, Secret Invasion or GOTGV3 may be, I'm learning to wait until the things actually out now.

Fool me once and all that. But I've got my fingers crossed.
rebellion
rebellion - 4/3/2023, 6:43 AM
Sneider states the obvious and cbms professional copy paster serves it like its some wild exclusive. Standards.
solskulldeath
solskulldeath - 4/3/2023, 6:44 AM
Marvel's need to stop pushing the woke agenda too much,not all people in the world really like it much.
Fares
Fares - 4/3/2023, 6:53 AM
Frankly my dude I wouldn't mind getting just two movies, but we'll see how it goes.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 4/3/2023, 8:00 AM
@Fares -
If the movies and shows do not improve in quality, then a reduced quantity is effectively meaningless. Why even bother delaying these shows and films if they are still going to be garbage when they release?
Fares
Fares - 4/3/2023, 8:32 AM
@Scarilian - Well we're hoping that a reduction in quantity will allow the studio to allocate more time, resources and attention to each individual project and effectively help elevate the quality. If that doesn't do it, well just end the universe altogether, what's the point?
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