CBM Disappointments

You really just state what films you don't like but don't go deep into it. For example you state:

However, Sony was pressuring Sam Raimi to include Venom. Things just went downhill from there.

What things went downhill? Why did Venom disappoint you?

Another example:

After the fantastic X2 film, I expected a decent ending to this trilogy. Unfortunately Bryan Singer left to direct Superman Returns. There were too many characters in the film.

You didn't like all the characters? Is that it?

It just feels like you didn't dive in and state why you didn't like it. You didn't explain why you disliked the films. I have no problem with the list yourself because that's your list it's just the presentation you gave. You see my point?

TDKR is the best CBM ever made.

^False

What superherofan21 said. Saying it was on the same level as Spider-Man 3 should be a crime.

TDKR and Spider-Man 3 are my personal most disappointing CBMs.

If someone can give me compelling reasons as to why The Dark Knight Rises is "good" please tell me. Because i have several reasons why its not.

1. it was severely over written.
2. The plot is ridiculous and cliche.( I will go into that in a second)
3. Batman (oh I'm sorry Bruce Wayne, cause Batman is only in like 10 minutes of his own film) Goes through the same character arc twice. That is not good. He is injured in the beginning something happens where he has to get better, he becomes batman. then 45 minutes later, he gets injured has to fix himself and becomes batman again.
4. Fear helps you? I thought fear made your mind muddled. Isn't that why Batman and Scarecrow use fear as a weapon. If fear made people better then wouldn't Batman not use fear?
5. Bane is a Bond villain, but worse. To understand this you must understand classic bond villains. They lock up the Bond in a place they think he cant get out, but leave him with obvious ways to get out with enough time. He had no security at the place. He knew only one person could get out. If a little girl could surely Bruce Wayne could. to ad to his Cliche Bond villain stature he tells Bruce his master plan in full and even lets him watch it on cable! I didnt know you could get cable in an underground prison in the middle of bum[frick] no where.
6. How is Bruce's Leg all of a sudden better? Its been bad for like 8 years and he uses a brace (why Didn't he do that in the first place so he could go back to fighting crime) Then he fights Bane, Bane defeats him and takes off his Batsuit and no doubt notices the leg brace, he had to have taken that off to.
7. How did Bruce's Back not get even worse after his attempts with the rope trying to get out of the cave? That rope looks like it could seriously snap your spine from that height.
8. How did Batman get back to Gotham from bum[frick] nowhere?
9. Why did he take his sweet ass time painting a Bat Symbol on the bridge when he knew the bomb was getting ready to explode.
10. Seems pretty convenient that he got to Gotham just in time for the bomb to almost go off huh?
11. Didn't Bane say if there was rioting he would blow up the bomb, and the police fight at the end but it is not detonated.
12. Why does Batman take [frick]ing forever to kiss Selina when A BOMB IS ABOUT TO BLOW UP AN ENTIRE CITY. YOU CAN GET YOUR PUSSY LATER BATMAN GO AND SAVE THE DAMN CITY!
13. Why does he talk to everyone who knows his identity in his batvoice? Why does he talk to himself in the batvoice?
14. Why did they send THE ENTIRE POLICE FORCE INTO THE SEWERS FOR ONE GUY? Did the Dent act actually clean up so much crime that not even a home invader was on the streets?
14. WHAT THE HELL WAS BANES PLAN? Did he want to destroy Gotham? Did he want to free its people? Was he trying to be the ultimate radical 99 percenter? Did he want to give hope then crush it? Why didn't he just kill Batman if he knew he was [frick]ing Batman? Does Bane want revolution? Why does he read off who Harvey Dent really was? What does that matter to a group of people who are under the threat of a guy with a bomb? What was his plan?
15. How in the hell did no one notice the Bat on the rooftops the whole time that Gotham was under attack. [frick].

explain all of those. Please.

Iron Man 3 and TDKR disappointed me. Hmmm... Maybe Spider-Man 3. Origins disappointed me too. GL disappointed. Not too many other disappointments. all the other films i thought were bad CBM's were ones i felt even before i saw them would suck.

@Tainted87

"TheYoungMan doesn't deserve David Bowie's chuckling avatar..."

5 Sir Ben Kingsley was scarier in The Dictator

4 After seeing the bird reflected in the water at the end of X2 I was disappointed that there was no hint of it

3 Drop the Sandman, Harrys amnesia and emo parker from the script and it coulda been great

2 Why on earth did he have to come back to earth

1 Its like they completely forgot the driving force of Batman 8 year hiatus never

And also, i'm not sure if you guys know this, but I've never read comics and I judge all these movies based on cinematic quality only. (I.E. i'm never going to care about deviations from the source material or say "Batman isn't in it enough!" Or "That's not the REAL Batman!" Or "Batman can NEVER move on with his life!" or some crap like that.) Cinematically, The Dark Knight Rises the best movie i've seen that happens to be based on a comic book character.

I'll agree with Youngman that TDKR was cinematicly well made....Good performances..good direction and cinematography

unfortunalty it still bored the shit out of me

For me you could have the most accomplished looking film on the planet but if the events that happen in the movie make your ass ache all the sweeping IMAX shots and melodramatic dialogue in the world wont make it a compelling and thrilling movie to watch

So I give credit where its due...but its not for me :)

@TheYoungMan The Dark Knight is much better than The Dark Knight Rises. Talking about this in terms of film, not of comic-adaptations, I have a few big gripes with TDKR:

1) The nuclear bomb: For one thing, I think nuclear bombs are a really cliche plot device anyway. But the main reason I hate it in this film is because Nolan uses the countdown of the bomb to force an ending to the movie. If there was no countdown, the movie would just keep going with no real, natural ending in sight, but the countdown forces everything to an abrupt stop, and I think Nolan's better than that.

2) Rehashing past movies: The Dark Knight Rises essentially uses all the same plot points from The Dark Knight (and a few from Batman Begins), but with an increased emphasis on action and spectacle.

Both TDK and TDKR star a villain with an obsession over Batman and a desire to destroy Gotham (in fact, The Joker and Bane have the same plan: to make the citizens of Gotham tear themselves apart, only Bane plans to nuke them as well).

Both villains also want to break Batman's spirit by showing him that the people of Gotham will hurt each other in the name of self preservation.

Even the opening scene of TDKR is similar to that of TDK, in that it shows the main villain, in disguise as one of his own henchmen, performing a daring robbery (Joker stealing money, Bane stealing Doctor Pavel), and making a daring escape. The only difference is that in TDKR that scene's more action packed, and looks like it was leftover from Inception.

Bane frees prisoners from Blackgate and allows them to run amok in Gotham, just like Ra's Al Ghul did to Arkham Asylum in Begins.

Plus, throughout the film there's this running theme of 'admissions of guilt' which is handled really poorly. You have Gordon, struggling with the decision to admit that Harvey Dent was the killer in TDK and not Batman. You have Alfred, struggling with the decision to admit that Rachel wasn't going to wait for Bruce. And they're never made to feel like actual revelations - Alfred's admission is a throwaway moment and an excuse not to have Michael Caine in most of the movie, while Bane revealing Gordon's secret just makes you think "Why does anyone believe Bane anyway?". And both of those moments only serve to undo the ending of The Dark Knight, so that The Dark Knight Rises can try to do it again.

You also have scenes in TDK and in TDKR where Bruce/Batman has to do something in a foreign country then escape back to Gotham (China in TDK, wherever Bane's prison is in TDKR), although in TDKR you never get an explanation as to how he got back to Gotham despite it being made clear that re-entering the city would be near impossible.

You also have John Blake playing the role of Harvey Dent (eager to help Batman fan with a temper who Batman believes could be his heir), while Miranda Tate/Talia Al Ghul takes over as Two-Face (former ally turned enemy), with the only difference being (apart from the character of Harvey being split across two separate characters in TDKR) that Talia has absolutely no motive for her plan (she basically says "I hate my father because he was a mad man and because he banished Bane from the League of Shadows so I severed all ties and turned my back on him, but once I heard he got himself killed I suddenly loved him again, despite how much of a dick he was to me and Bane, so I want to blow up your city as revenge for his death, and Bane's totally fine with it too and we both now love my father because he's dead and we actually agree with his plans even though we thought he was insane at the time, so we've waited the best part of a decade to set this plan in motion" - it makes no sense.

The only thing in TDKR which actually seemed new was Catwoman, and her scenes (apart from the way she kills Bane) are my favourite bits in the movie (especially because Anne Hathaway plays her so well). I really liked John Blake too, even though I do feel he's somewhat of a rehash of 'Good Harvey' from TDK, and I do love the ending montage, even if the end of the film (and the trilogy) was much happier than I would've liked. Everything else just feels like it was taken from TDK or Batman Begins, and reworked just enough that it looks a bit different.

TDKR would be a good movie if it wasn't the follow up to Batman Begins and TDK. It seems odd to me that Nolan managed to (in my opinion) follow up his best film, Inception, with his worst one, TDKR.

When I hear that Chris Nolan's making a new film, I immediately think 'innovation', because that's where I think his strengths lie - in terms of story-telling, apart from a few, key similarities (such as obsessive protagonists and often bittersweet endings), I think Chris Nolan is an extremely innovative filmmaker, who always seems to try new things - his films are instantly recognizable as Chris Nolan films, even though they're all vastly different. He's very experimental, and very intelligent, and you never get the same film twice. That's why I was so disappointed with TDKR - because there was nothing new, everything was just rehashed from his own past Batman films. Essentially, TDKR was just a compilation of Batman Begins and TDK's 'Greatest Hits', but with added spectacle and scale and explosions at the expense of actual character development and inspiring, intelligent storytelling.

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You should flesh out your argument just to shake the naysayers in the comments.

TDKR was lacking so much so that friends who don't know comics complained. He should have waited and, or, placed it further in the future and truly made it "The Dark Knight Returns." He could have accomplished so much more.