Evolution Of The Superhero Movie

OH SNAP! I can't believe Ledger made Michael Caine forget his lines.

Ozymandias- I'm with you on that one!!

Ror- thanks I figured it out!!

I would have rated the 2004 Punisher movie higher than a lot of movies, including Catwoman, most of the Supermans & X-Men Origins: Wolverine...

@Josh-I agree snyder should NOT do the Superman reboot. He should do The Dark Knight Returns if anything.

I thought Howard the Duck was the worst CBM, then Elektra, then Blade Trinity and Superman III and IV

Wow, that a pretty cool chart. Is there a way to make it more readable?

Oh, want to think about something to make nightmares? What If... (learning from his mistakes as he claims) Joel "Batman Killing" Schumacher reboot Superman? Would it be less reverant than what Singer did? Think about it before justly flaming the idea to Modesty Blaze hell. BTW, Modesty Blaze is an uncredtied CBM flop to.

No Snyder for Superman, maybe Doomsday, but that's it.

I don't want to see Superman chopping a guy's arm off and cutting a rapist's head in half with a meat cleaver! ;)

JJ Abrams is the man for the Man of Steel!

superman7- zack's movies are too dark, but thats what is
great about them, the superman movies
need a huge kick in the ass, and Snyder is
the man to do that, a "dark" superman movie
is what we need. Now im not saying supes
should go around killing people(that's not
supes) but he needs a dark undertone for even
me to watch a superman movie, i'll say this
again there is no good live action superman
movies, there is just SUPERMAN/DOOMSDAY
animated movie, a great movie with a dark
undertone!

Superman really needs a reboot asap. im not sure about Zack Synder should do the reboot cause he will do loads of slow-mo in every fight scene.

guys have you seen this fan made trailer of the green lantern.

lol the Green lantern trailer good up until it showed a fat Hal Jordon in costume

@Rorschach01

I don't see the neon bs and nipple suits helping B&R, hell no. Am I on board of this idea? Hell No. B&R suffered more from the camp way the material was handled more than the dressing. That is the very thing DC Entertainment is police-ing for in thier current role. What would a film by dear ol' Joel be like minus those things? Thats the only thing I am pondering. Beyond that, its a terrible idea and don't blame the flames for it.

Singer would have a home run with me in SR if he had not had the arrogance of trying to add to the Superman legend with the Estranged Father and lack of moral compass in Superman's responsibilties to Earth and friends. The suit changing was another self indugance for Singer. We are now in a modern film creating world and can achieve much much more than what Donner's time had. The public and fans were cheated out of seeing the next big story and instead had a rehash of past plot with an uncharateristic twist thrown in.

I agree Zack Snyder is too dark. Dick Donner is mostly retired probably. Michael Bay would loose his story in the string of action scenes. Most directors in business too closely identify with Marvel's characters with all thier personal quirks and issues. Very few get (or "just not into") Superman from the persective of the origin he comes from. There are not that many folks that understand the farm life and family that influances his moral.

Does Schumacher get Superman? Probably as much as Singer does.

OK, here another idea. How about Superman produced by Steven Spielberg and directed by JJ Abrams? You could have the care and attention of two top film making teams. I just don't think these two Paramount directors would break away to work for Warners, however.

peterparker: I didn't say you were actually comparing it to TDK, I was pointing out how there's been sudden surge of people wanting more CBM's to be dark after TDK.

You don't need a dark undertone to have action or a good story. Spider-Man 1/2 are proof of that. Singer and the script were the cause of no action or not a very good story, not that it didn't have a dark undertone. That was the one big problem with Returns, a shoddy script and a director that mishandled the character badly. The tone was pretty much perfect for a Superman movie.

I agree with Luthor not being the main villain, and I never mentioned that at all in my comment.

A dark undertone is not required for a good Superman movies. A good script with a competent director who can make Superman actually feel like a true, pure beacon of justice, which Superman is, are needed.

I WANT SNYDER TO DIRECT THIS!!

in order to have the superman you want he needs to be killed off by DOOMSDAY(Snyder). Snyder would make
Superman: DOOMSDAY and then we can have,
Superman: REBORN (Abrams)

But their is a huge difference between successfully adapting a self contained story like 300 or Watchmen, and successfully bringing together years of stories, writers, arcs ..to make a Superman movie. Someone is always going to be disappointed when a movie is made based on a character but not a particular graphic novel or story. They use Doomsday..someone cries cos they wanted Brainiac..they use Brainiac, someones pissed off that they didn't get a big screen Darkseid. You can't please everyone. Thats why movies like SR will always polarize fans. personally, I would have liked something for him to punch but I still really like dthe tone and flow of the movie and there were some epic scenes. Everyone gets so focused on the things Singer did wrong that they refuse to acknowledge the things he did right.

Anyway, I promised I would stop defending that movie about 5 times now! It would be nice to have a complete CBM chart..with stuff like Sin City and Ghost world..be a frakkin big chart though!

The Superman film I want is a reboot, a new continuity which starts with a quick recap of his origin, then goes into his Superman career. Brainiac as the main villain. Lex would be in the background, as a supporting character. Nowhere in there would Doomsday make an appearance.

It makes literally no sense to restart the franchise by killing off the title character. Not to mention Doomsday blows chunks as a villain, or character.