Star Trek vs. Star Wars

Star Trek vs. Star Wars

One of the biggest geek debates of all time. Where do you stand on the Star Trek & Wars debate?

Editorial Opinion
By Spock - Sep 09, 2009 03:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Sci-Fi

NOW I will say that I do love both Wars & Trek. But I am more of a Star Trek fan overall. You can call me a Trekkie or Trekker I don’t care. This is the geek debate of all debates. One thing to remember Star Wars is more Fantasy & Star Trek is Science fiction. I will try to keep this short, but there is just too much to cover.

One thing that bothers me about SW is that Vader has killed hundreds of people but he is somehow been forgiven by the universe & becomes a ghost @ the end of Return of the Jedi, This must mean 1 person life is more important than all others. Spock would say "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.

Famous quotes:
Star Wars: May the force be with You, Always two there are, a master and an apprentice. I find your lack of faith disturbing.” No, I am your father.” Powerful you have become, the dark side I sense in you.”

Star Trek: Live long & Prosper, Peace & long life, Resistance is futile, Beam me up Scotty, Shields up! Rrrrred alert!” Kapla, Today is a good day to die, Computer Blah ‘blah.

Both have famous quotes I hear them about the same amount. No real winner here.

Tech:
Now we all now that Star Wars takes places thousands of years ago in Galaxy Far Far Away & Star Trek is more based off of our Time Line. Now this section may favor SW. But I will say this: Compared to the Death Star that was blown up by Millennium Falcon. DS 9 fought off an Armada from the Klingon Empire that was comparable in size Also the Star Destroyers are very huge in size and are very vulnerable to smaller ships.

I will take a step back for a moment to acknowledge the force is a great ally and takes great concentration to use. But for a rebuttal I would ask the Star Wars experts (more than I know) has any Sith Lord demonstrated the ability to simultaneously kill everyone on a ship @ will. Also If Vader is so powerful why didn’t they take out all of the Rebels fleet or X-Wings to before they destroy the Death Star. Another Example why didn’t Vader use the force to kill Luc and the others before he could get off a shot?


SW:
Planetary destruction: Death Star blast (roughly 20 billion trillion megatons, ie- the number "two" followed by 22 zeroes).

Main guns: 64000 GW (2 kilotons per shot, 480 rpm firing rate onscreen in AOTC for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)

ST:
Planetary destruction: 30-ship bombardment in "The Die is Cast" (surface-level explosions create fireballs in the megaton range at most, judging from fireball duration).

Main phasers: 3.6 GW
Check out the favorable results for SW here!
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html

Costumes: So tired of seeing Princess Leia Costumes, she isn’t the only hot Lady in Star Wars is she?


Seven of Nine---IS HOT LIKE FIRE!


Balania Torres

Counselor Troi

Sarah Silverman

Jadzia Dax


Need some help here Star Wars

Princess Leia

Queen Armadalla


Miscellaneous: Variance in #’s (From Forbes.com)
SW; Number of Movies: Six
Worldwide Gross Box Office: $5.67 billion Biggest Hit: The 1977 release of Star Wars grossed $503 million worldwide

ST Number Of Movies: Eleven
Worldwide Gross Box Office: $1.76 billion

SW:Total lifetime gross of about $9 billion, according to Lucasfilm, from companies including Kenner, General Mills and Hasbro

SW: Total lifetime gross of about $4 billion from companies including Playmates Toys, Hallmark and Hasbro

SW Movies: Seven Academy Awards, 15 nominations
TV: Zero Emmys, one nomination
Music: Three Grammys (John Williams score)

ST Movies: Zero Academy Awards, ten nominations
TV: 31 Emmys, 140 nominations
Music: Zero Grammys

Sw Star Wars: about 60 video games

ST Star Trek: about 40 video games



me @ comic con 2008, notice the shirt, but the FORCE WINS!!!
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TheBumblingIdiot
TheBumblingIdiot - 9/9/2009, 7:55 AM
lets compar oranges to appels shall we i like both
Spock
Spock - 9/9/2009, 9:50 AM
Oranges to apples hmmm thats funny
texasboy
texasboy - 9/9/2009, 10:42 AM
grew up with TOS. always felt like it could be real. wanted to be Spock when i was little. SW is more entertaining as storytellin goes. ST is just more compelling. and with being on tv so much of its concepts could be explored. SW is like literature class. ST is like science class.
Spock
Spock - 9/9/2009, 11:03 AM
Good point Texasboy
supermarioworldE
supermarioworldE - 9/9/2009, 11:44 AM
I like star wars better, but perhaps that's just because i grew up in a generation where star wars was the most popular. Star trek doesn't quite pull me in the way star wars does, but still, star trek is pretty awesome
Scarface
Scarface - 9/9/2009, 2:08 PM
i,m sorry dude i have to quote a line from fanboys
"get out of here you kirk lovin spock suckers get out"
yeah thats how I role. lol
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 9/9/2009, 2:16 PM
@ spock

for star wars quotes, you need, "I've got a bad feeling about this." Its the one line, aside from "may the force be with you" that is in every single star wars movie! great discussion though man!
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 9/9/2009, 2:31 PM
also, in star wars, there are all kinds of different continuities. your question was, "has any Sith Lord demonstrated the ability to simultaneously kill everyone on a ship @ will. Also If Vader is so powerful why didn’t they take out all of the Rebels fleet or X-Wings to before they destroy the Death Star. Another Example why didn’t Vader use the force to kill Luc and the others before he could get off a shot?"

due to there being multiple continuities and medias that star wars has been a part of, this is kind of hard to answer, but i'll try my best. First of all, there is the original trilogy. Then there is the Prequel Trilogy. Then there's the expanded universe (books, comics, cartoons and the like), and finally video games. I can't speak for the books because i never read any of them, so my answer is coming from video games and the movies. in the movies, no, its never been shown that a sith could have the kind of power to kill everyone on a vessel, or even take out a fleet of starfighters. (this is in question though, due to the fact that in Empire, vader kills a general on a completely different ship, light years away, through a vid screen)

In the prequel trilogy, yoda is pretty much the man when it comes to force mastery, but he really only uses the force to throw his saber and call it back. so in all 6 movies, its not really shown that any force wielder can have that kind of power.

the video games and cartoons are where that comes from. In the Force Unleashed, it is shown that a force wielder can actually pull an entire star destroyer out of the air with the force. this might be the number 1, most powerful thing a force user has ever been shown doing. however, the force unleashed is a video game, and ALL the jedi and sith's powers were purposely exaggerated, and made over the top, in order to make the game more graphically pleasing. Knights of the old Republic is also a video game, but it takes place thousands of years before even the prequel trilogy. that game explains that during that time period, the force is more pure, and it allows the jedi to wield the force in a much easier way, almost like an extension of one's body. the stories of what these jedi can do with a lightsaber are unfathomable by even the strongest jedi like Luke or Yoda.

So basically, with star wars, it just depends on what continuity your looking at. whew, lol, hope that helps!
supermarioworldE
supermarioworldE - 9/9/2009, 3:01 PM
That video is hilarious
Spock
Spock - 9/9/2009, 3:50 PM
@ CorndogBurglar thanks for the feed back, interesting point of view. I tried looking @ Wookiepedia but to much info for the answer i was looking for on there. I also was hoping a real back & forth debate on what others thought Especially from Anil Rickly.

@ super mario glade u like it.

@ dellamorte1872 I hear u but i do prefer ST over Sw but would still like to get away from vader & luc & experience something new & fresh.

@ scarface I havent'seen it yet, maybe i should check it out.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 9/9/2009, 4:03 PM
@ spock

if you would like to get into other things aside from luke and vader, there is a Knights of the Old Reublic comic book series, that takes place in the time period of the game i was telling you about. for the most part, everything else is either about luke/vader or at least are leading up to that moment. so its hard to find things that have absolutely NOTHING to do with them. but there are all kinds of expanded universe novels and comics that focus on bounty hunters, slavers, and other unrelated jedi/sith. Knights of the old republic is really the only thing that takes place so long ago, that you never even hear mention of luke and gang, though.

the real question here is, who would win, Darth Maul or Darth Vader?
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 9/9/2009, 4:08 PM
anyway, to me it seems like star trek is more intellectual than star wars. like dellamorte said, ST seems to be more grounded, and a LOT of the things they encounter are actually real things in life. and i don't mean all the aliens, but time paradoxes, temporal displacements, worm holes, all those things exist in the real world, we just don't know much about them. i say its more intellectual, because there are some episodes of ST with no action whatsoever.

SW is just more fun to me. and i love the whole, light vs. dark side, and what each represents. i enjoy both though
Spock
Spock - 9/9/2009, 4:25 PM
@ corndog, now iam now dogging SW it is fun, but luc & vader have been beaten to death in my opinion. @ least with ST there has been a lot of continuity.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 9/9/2009, 4:28 PM
@ spock

i agree. and even when they aren't about luke or vader, its about their family before them. so in essence, it kinda is about them too. there is actually another trilogy after the original that will probaly never get made into movies. but to me, thats the best one. Luke eventually turns to the dark side, chewie dies protecting solo. leia and solo have twins that are both very powerful with the force. a lot more happens!
Spock
Spock - 9/9/2009, 4:52 PM
Oh I didnt know that, thats good stuff. See my ST knowlegdes far exceed my SW knowledge go figure!!!
Scorpioxfactor
Scorpioxfactor - 9/10/2009, 2:55 AM
CORNDOG. Thanks for the SPOILERS :( Could've warned us though. :( Could you tell me where I could read this story. I think it is after the much critcally acclaimed Timothy Zahn Trilogy? Am I right? After that Trilogy I saw the books where Han and Leia met. all kinds of stuff. But Corndog, I am now am going to research all this.

@ Spock. i wanted to wait until later on to post here(damn you Corndog ;)..) but, I grew up on both SW AND ST. I love Star Trek for what is it and the same is said for SW. My dad took me to see ST 5. I remember it clearly. We weren't the closest. But, like I said. My brother were fans of ST. I was just a novice Trekkie. I wish I could be a Trekker. But I am not. I am a very big fan of the Original ST series. Green chicks aside. It was good. Very insightful.
SW 4-6. Great films. I loved em all. ST Gen. Well,
very, very deep. Soulful. The red shirt guy doesn't always die. My favorite story was when the Blonde haired chick cut short,(suprised you didn't put her pic up top) died when fighting that Black Tar psychic creature. That had long lingering effects on the crew for a long time after that. But I sitll loved it for what ST Gen was. DS 9. Not too big a fan, except for the time travel episodes. I couldn't get into the dude's spirit in a chicks body. I wanted that morphing guy to find out who he was and where he came from. Voyager was a return to glory for me. I couldn't wait for the crew to get home. Enterprise was great from the couple episodes I saw. I like Scott Bakula. I wish the show could've stayed on longer. Okay. SW 1-3. Well, great return to the SW universe. EP 1 was really just about him as a kid and to tie in all the characters. JAR JAR helped with comedy relief and I was happy with the end scene against Darth Maul. SPOILER!! Liam Nielsen did a beautiful job in the death scene. I loved it. But overall the movie just didn't do it justice. I still love it as a fan though. I stick to the side I've chosen. EP 2 Too much romance involved. Killed the movie for me.
I liked the line "No, I don't want to sell you a Deathsick." But, Yoda saved the film. EP 3, best of them all. Lot's of killing and lightsabers battles galore. But over all, A good watch. A closing of the circle once more. So ST has a long history and it does have alot of books and more movies. But SW has alot of to back itself up as well. I think even though there could be a debate going back and forth. People in their later years, start to realize that both are good in their own ways so why not just make peace. Things are much better that way I think. I do remember someone saying something like "In SW they don't have to ask permission from the federation to blow up a planet." I thought it was funny at the time. But oh well. What are ya gonna do? Spock, Thank you for this very insightful article.
Spock
Spock - 9/10/2009, 10:25 AM
@ Scorpioxfactor the girl u are referring to was Tasha Yar Security officer. She is Cute as well. I have seen all of the SW movies. Don't get me wrong I love SW as well it is cool, but just as I stated previously Iam ready to move pass luc, vader & want to explore some other story lines rather it be cartoon or movies. I never really read the books.
6of13
6of13 - 9/10/2009, 1:56 PM
@ spock
If you are interested somewhere online (sorry, can't remember where) there is a crossover story/novel where Q brings the Star Trek Universe and the Star Wars Universe together allowing characters from both universes to interact. If I remember correctly it gives an explanation as to why The Force does not exist in the Star Trek Universe. If I find the link (if it still exists) I will post it here.
OptionFour
OptionFour - 9/10/2009, 2:54 PM
Alright, just a couple quick notes about why this is truly and apples and oranges comparison from a writer's perspective, even if it may not seem that way on the surface.

High/Low Fantasy
High Fantasy is famously described by Joseph Campbell as story-telling wherein the fate of the world is balanced on the edge of a sword. ie - the actions of a single person or group of people decide the fate of the world/galaxy. These stories normally include a lot of moral lessons (though not always), follow certain structures (the Hero's Journey), and often invovle archetypical players (the Black Knight/Vader, the Farmboy/White Knight/Luke, the Princess locked in an evil castle/Leia and the Death Star).
Low Fantasy is played out on a more personal level, where often the stakes involved matter only to one person, and tell a personal story. As such, it varies more widely from convention.


Hard/Soft Science-Fiction
Soft science-fiction does not try to explain itself with the use of real world science. Things often work a certain way just becuase, well . . . that's how they work. Fine examples are Hyperdrive Engines, Lightsabers, Wookies, and the fact that the Death Star seems to blow up a planet without throwing anything/everything else out of orbit.
Hard science-fiction attempts at least reasonable rectification between reality and writing, even if it doesn't always hit the nail on the head. On the original Star Trek series, the writers somewhat famously answered fanmail by digging out scientific periodicals and journals and trying to hash out how their concepts might work in reality.

So you're really comparing two entirely different types of stories. Star Wars is High Fantasy/Soft Sci-fi, and Star Trek is Low Fantasy/Hard Sci-fi. They have a totally different feel, and different appeal. Apples and oranges, sure, they're both round . . . but other than that? Not much in common.
Scarface
Scarface - 9/10/2009, 3:06 PM
This has been a fun debate to follow spock.
But i,m still die hard Star Wars and none of you can change me none of you i say.
Corndog you seem to be well versed in the star wars universe the dark side is strong with you my friend.
Darth Maul would be Vaders Biotch the only thing that took Vader down was himself and he could have beaten luke no probs and used yoda for butt floss just my opinion. lol
Spock
Spock - 9/10/2009, 4:50 PM
@ 6of13 I never actually read that but Ive heard bits of it from peps above.

@ OptionFour thanks for the analytical post. Now u can say u are comparing apples & oranges, which may be true. But it doesn't change the fact that this is a debate decades old. I understand what u are saying, but its not a ? of what is Sci Fi or Fantasy. This debate has gone on a long time. Instead of me asking which is better I took the ladder & asked where do people stand. I do like both but I am more of a Trekker then SW fanatic. But to make some point TREk came before WARs & Wars stand on its shoulders to push the enevolpe harder for us fans.

@ Scarface Glad u enjoyed it, I think Maul could bring it to Vader thou.
Spock
Spock - 9/11/2009, 10:44 AM
Alright Anil thanks for your post. I now me & u were comparing chara a while ago. That was fun. But anyway I hear u with the light saber. Who wouldn't want to wield a plasma based sword & cutting your enemies down to size.
ST also has that appeal of what our world could use a good dose of BETTERING ONES SELF etc. I guess this bedate will range on until something both beats them out!!!!!!

LIVE LONG & PROSPER!!
OptionFour
OptionFour - 9/11/2009, 11:07 AM
Hrm! Okay, something less analytical then!

Its fair to say that Star Trek came first, and that Star Wars pushed the envelope from there . . . but that's only talking about the original series, right? Next Generation came long after Star Wars, who broadened the appeal of sci-fi, and made it open to a larger market.

Also, in response to the question about whether a Sith Lord has ever killed everyone on a ship with his powers, in the Knights of the Old Republic II game, Darth Nihilus kills an entire planet with the force. Not just people but plants, etc. There were extenuating circumstances but . . . yep, it has happened.
Spock
Spock - 9/11/2009, 12:53 PM
@ OP4, thanks for the answer u were the only one!! Thats awesome Darth Nihilus. The Force is the SH.. thats what Iam talking about! "The Force is strong with Darth Nihilus indeed."
What I meant about setting ST coming 1st was that there hasnt' been any other SciFi shows or movie that were in the same quality of ST/SW that set the mark of this whole SciFi we enjoy. I mean look @ Flash Gordon, Buck Rodgers etc. Those were fun but they just weren't up to par. That being said this is fun.
Scarface
Scarface - 9/11/2009, 1:14 PM
i told you spock maul would be vaders biotch haha
Spock
Spock - 9/11/2009, 3:01 PM
@ Scarface u did indeed!!!! LOL
AshleyWilliams
AshleyWilliams - 9/12/2009, 10:51 AM
Star Wars!
Hyson
Hyson - 9/12/2009, 12:36 PM
This is almost as deeply debated as religion. So for me, no one is superior to the other, and I like bits and pieces of each.
InstigatorGIRL
InstigatorGIRL - 9/12/2009, 10:15 PM
aw. The classic debate. well to me this is like discussing what came first the chicken or the egg. Both have a HUGE fanbase and while both have their flaws are spectacular none the less. Now are we talking about Star Trek as a whole (like Next Generation and Deep Space Nine, etc.) or just the original. Same with Star Wars
Also... Here's what I have to say.

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InstigatorGIRL
InstigatorGIRL - 9/12/2009, 10:18 PM
as for the whole Vader vs Maul. There is a comic about it and it ruled. I have it in fact and Vader powned Maul.
OptionFour
OptionFour - 9/13/2009, 4:27 PM
Ha! Nice, Instigator. But if you can't debate this WHILE you're having sex, your girlfriend/boyfriend isn't geeky enough! Just . . . just don't make any puns about firing proton torpedoes.
InstigatorGIRL
InstigatorGIRL - 9/13/2009, 6:03 PM
Oh we could debate it and it would lead to some pretty angry (but fantastic) sex. But what person really thinks of the force or the enterprise when "firing proton torpedoes" ^_^
Spock
Spock - 9/13/2009, 7:44 PM
InstigatorGirl u are funny. Here is one for u. While your prepareing for your night of passion u can tell your mate RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, SHIELDS DOWN!!!!!!! FIRE IN THE HOLE!!!!
InstigatorGIRL
InstigatorGIRL - 9/13/2009, 8:31 PM
LMAO. One night I actually moaned oh the force is strong with this one. Needless to say he laughed his ass off. So did I. True geek to the core... I guess.
Spock
Spock - 9/13/2009, 9:44 PM
Thats pretty good.
Shadowelfz
Shadowelfz - 9/13/2009, 10:12 PM
Its a tough question, to say the least. I love both equally so I couldnt really choose. There are so many factors to think about. Star Trek has a lot more exposure with its many television shows and a greater amount of movies, but each of the star wars movies were packed with action and fun, and you can probably compress all the action in all ST movies and still get less action than SW. I love the intracite plots, mind-blowing phyisics and exciting tactical situations of ST, but massive laser gun battles, lightsaber duels and force powers are equally as entertaning. Both have memorable characters, though SW has better villains (Romulans and the Borg are cool, but compared to Vader and Boba Fett...). At the same time, SW has been declining in recent times. Most people will agree that the three new films lacked the qualitity and fore-thought of the original trilogy. Meanwhile, at least for me, each new ST film seems to be getting better and better. I liked Generations, but First Contact blew that away. Then Nemesis blew that away. Then the new one...

In the end, as lame as it sounds, it would probably end up being a tie since both are very different. Depends on the mood your in at the moment I guess...
Spock
Spock - 9/14/2009, 11:44 AM
I hear u Shadowelfz, thanks for the post!
Shadowelfz
Shadowelfz - 9/14/2009, 2:12 PM
No prob. Thanks for the entertaining editorial :P
prototype87
prototype87 - 9/16/2009, 6:48 AM
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