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Why Cyclops optic blasts differ from X-Men Origins: Wolverine than that of the other X-Men movies?

Editorial Opinion
By ACCESS - May 11, 2010 08:05 PM EST
Filed Under: X-Men
Source: DCMU



Here’s my attempt in patching up the “mess”(discrepancies and inconsistencies) the movie makers did with “our” movies, by trying to explain and connect things within the context of the movies. I am not going with there’s a different set of filmmakers logic but try to come up with sound ideas that are acceptable foremost to me then hopefully to most moviegoers (comic book fans or not).

Here’s an official description from Marvel.com of Cyclops’ power (Optic Blast):

Cyclops possesses the mutant ability to project a beam of heatless ruby-colored concussive force from his eyes, which act as inter-dimensional apertures between this universe and another. Cyclops' body constantly absorbs ambient energy, such as sunlight, from his environment into his body's cells that allows him to open the apertures. Cyclops' mind generates a psionic field that is attuned to the forces that maintain the apertures. Because this field envelops his body, it automatically shunts the other-dimensional particles back into their point of origin when they collide with his body. Thus, his body is protected from the effects of the particles, and even the thin membranes of his eyelids are sufficient to block the emission of energy. The synthetic ruby quartz crystal used to fashion the lenses of Cyclops' eye wear is resonant to his minds' psionic field and is similarly protected.

This is clearly what the filmmakers from X-Men, X2, and X-Men: The Last Stand was following for Cyclops’ optic blast (heatless and concussive). This is evident in his use throughout those series, one example was on the train station scene on the first X-Men movie where he blew up the roof of the station. It was obviously a concussive force that tore the roof out as there were no indication of any heat involved. Unlike the scene in Wolverine Origins where we have a similar scene at Scott’s school but this time around you could clearly see embers around which indicates that young Cyclops optic blast was more laser-like.

So how did this happen?

Here are my theories.
Theory 1: Stryker’s experiment

Stryker was pooling mutant powers to create his Weapon XI. He took Cyclops’ powers to create his ultimate weapon. Flaw in this theory is that Cyclops still has his heat blast even after the experimentation. We see this on the scene where the mutant kids were escaping and he fired a blast. There were still glowing embers around the edges where his blast hit. To make this theory acceptable we could reason out that the process took some time to diminish the power until it leveled out to what Cyclops optic blast currently is. Another beauty in this theory is that we could insert a comic continuity nod by having Mr. Sinister(in disguise maybe) as a part of Stryker’s team in coming up with the experiments. Most of us know the connection of Cyclops with Mr. Sinister.
Theory 2: Professor X tampering

The Professor has a history of diminishing mutant powers to what he deems controllable level. Prime example on the movieverse would be Phoenix. So, it is not unlikely he did the same thing with Scott, reasoning that the heat blast might be too dangerous to handle. If this is the case then Scott’s ability ranges from that concussive blast to that “plasma” blast. Then you might be wondering why there was no mention of Scott having this ability in X-Men to X-Men: The Last Stand. We could turn back again to the Professor for the answer, Mind Wipe. The Professor did this to protect Scott and to erase also the negative memory he had when he was experimented on. Proof of this is on the first X-Men movie when Cyclops asked who would do an experiment on Logan/Mutants when in the movie timeline he would have went thru a similar experimentation under Stryker. Prof. X reply to Cyclops’ query was that experimentation with mutants are not unheard of (Note: it’s a nice coincidence that Patrick Stewarts’ acting a bit shady in this moment which gives more credence to him altering Cyclops memory).

I’m satisfied with my reasoning but I would like to hear your comments or theories because I know a lot of you out there has better theories. Again I would appreciate if you try to put in the context of the story of the movie.

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Wadey09
Wadey09 - 5/11/2010, 9:12 PM
how about Storm's accent?
it had a hint of African in the first X-men film but then it just disappeared after that.
InstigatorGIRL
InstigatorGIRL - 5/11/2010, 10:22 PM
Yeah why is Harvey Dent black in the first 2 Batman movies and then white in the third? LMAO.
Was he using the same stuff Sammy Sosa was??
contrast
contrast - 5/11/2010, 10:24 PM
Good theories, but here's mine.

X-Men Origins: Wolverine, while not an absolutely terrible movie (if you look at it as a movie, and not a movie based on anything) was just a mess. They clearly didn't do any research aside from re-watching the previous X-Men films (and not paying that much attention.)
contrast
contrast - 5/11/2010, 11:01 PM
@ACCESS--And you did a great job with what you had to work with... I just like being snarky...
supermarioworldE
supermarioworldE - 5/11/2010, 11:31 PM
Interesting theories, ACCESS. I think that the second is the most believable. But I do try to pretend that X-3 never happened.

I must say that it is quite a task to fill the plot holes left by these damn movies. your going to need alot of cement. ;)
DasBoot
DasBoot - 5/11/2010, 11:34 PM
Here's the thing: Marvel doesn't have control of X-Men. So the only thing that any of us can do is lamely try and connect imaginary dots that don't exist to try and make sense or fill plot holes to their pathetic attempts at a good film. These plot holes are NOT easter eggs or any other kind of lead up to something more. It is all just a bunch of tools who are trying to get a defective product on the market based on the fact that they believe a lot of people will see it no matter what. I think a boycott of every non marvel controlled movie is the only way to get these beloved characters out of Satan's hands so that the films become totally unprofitable and they'll have no choice but to turn them back over!!!
jshark
jshark - 5/11/2010, 11:41 PM
Or acknowledge the fact that Hollywood doesn't care and does these kind of things without considering previous source material. For example, after the death of a main cast character and change of director whole segments were changed in Harry Potter. And that is meant to be a continuous story.
Joker08
Joker08 - 5/12/2010, 12:02 AM
Good call, ACCESS :) Now we just need to figure out, that unless he runs into Gambit again (which I would encourage in II if it would fit), how Wolvie got his jacket back, as he left it on the plane.
WOLVERINEDECADE
WOLVERINEDECADE - 5/12/2010, 12:38 AM
@ACCESS: uhm, seeing as ur the only one here i feel close to, uhm, cud u tell me how to post a pic here in the comments section? thanks pare!!!
doctorretroandthepogs
doctorretroandthepogs - 5/12/2010, 12:49 AM
Or how about the idiots that made that piece of crap movie dont give a shit about source material in the slightest. That's my theory.
Swapp
Swapp - 5/12/2010, 12:59 AM
Yes, the jacket- I am with you. Must have run into him of screen before japan extra scene... wtf?
FutureCBMHero
FutureCBMHero - 5/12/2010, 1:17 AM
Here's my lame attempt......


The materials that Cyclops blasted in 1-3 are simply different than the ones blast in Origins. This makes a difference because a concussive force is essentially an application of major pressure. Pressure causes heat. So a young unruly, uncontrolled Cyclops unleashes his force on materials that will heat up under extreme pressure and not just crumble or blast away. That would leave us with the embers we see in Origins.
TheStranger
TheStranger - 5/12/2010, 2:41 AM
One theory could be that his optic blasts are indeed concussive force, if you rub two objects together with enough "force" you make friction. Friction makes heat, thus we have smoldering embers.

It's not bulletproof but honestly if you want bulletproof logic dont look for it in a comic book. Thats my suggestion. Besides back when people complained about this i told them the same thing i'll say here, at some points in the comics Cyclops' optic blasts were shown to actually be heat based (or friction force based whichever they were supposed to be) by some authors who took a few liberties though the times are few and far between, most authors do write them as just force that generate no heat.
TheMentalMaskedMaroonMonkeyMan
TheMentalMaskedMaroonMonkeyMan - 5/12/2010, 3:25 AM
Here's the thing: Marvel doesn't have control of X-Men. So the only thing that any of us can do is lamely try and connect imaginary dots that don't exist to try and make sense or fill plot holes to their pathetic attempts at a good film. These plot holes are NOT easter eggs or any other kind of lead up to something more. It is all just a bunch of tools who are trying to get a defective product on the market based on the fact that they believe a lot of people will see it no matter what. I think a boycott of every non marvel controlled movie is the only way to get these beloved characters out of Satan's hands so that the films become totally unprofitable and they'll have no choice but to turn them back over!!!
DasBoot - 5/11/2010, 11:34 PM


Yes, indeed, in the X-Men universe we are at the mercy of a bunch of retards who think that X-Men can be boiled down to simple points of interest and then expanded from. What these mongoloids don't realize is that they are tampering with nearly 50 years worth of mythology and if they gave a f$#% about getting it right do you think we would have a ballroom dancing, 6'0" tall, sensitive Wolverine? [frick] FOX. That's all I have to say about that.
jazzman
jazzman - 5/12/2010, 4:37 AM
@ACCESS

do better or reboot all over again LOL
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 5/12/2010, 5:05 AM
ACCESS: Interesting theories here! However, I'll have to agree with gtrman that like with their past CBM's, Fox just dont give a shit as they proved by screwing up continuity when they introduced characters like Gambit in X-Men Origins: Wolverine! Check out my Pixie editorial a few articles below if you get chance! :)
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/12/2010, 5:23 AM
ACCESS @ Why don't you fill all the PLOTHOLES in IRON MAN 2! : p
1chris2
1chris2 - 5/12/2010, 5:42 AM
id say cyclops is able to use both heat and cocusive blast. i would also say maybe when he matures his blast are only cocusive. i prefere he can use both.
MIDAS
MIDAS - 5/12/2010, 6:59 AM
Stryker didn't completely "take away" Cyclopse's power; he just took some of it. Like if someone takes some of your blood, that doesn't mean they took all of your blood and you're completely void of blood.
MIDAS
MIDAS - 5/12/2010, 7:05 AM
I think it's pretty obvious that Cyclopse didn't have complete control over his power and Prof. X helped him control it. Any outrageous theories are just unnecessary.
MIDAS
MIDAS - 5/12/2010, 7:12 AM
Cyclopse may just remember being abducted and escaping, and not remember being experimented on. He was probably sedated.
DDD
DDD - 5/12/2010, 7:56 AM
This is pointless!

As long as FUX...I mean FOX has control of Marvel
properties nothing will be right! I like the idea
of boycotting every non Marvel made Marvel character
movie from here on out till the stupid FUXED up
basterds sell it back to Disn...I mean Marvel!

I am so sick of FOX I wish a meteorite would hit
their HQ and destroy them from the face of this
planet!
DDD
DDD - 5/12/2010, 8:05 AM
BTW, I have never watched Wolverine:Origins and I
never will! I refuse to give them any money for
raping the X-men! Oh, I've had it described to me
by everybody (if I wanted it or not) so I know
all it's plot lines! So I know it's a huge big
stinking pile of sh!t! Good thing I didn't step
in it!
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/12/2010, 10:25 AM
Hopefully they announce X-men: First class as a reboot so we wont need to worry about this stuff, but if they don't then the Prof. X theory fits.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/12/2010, 10:30 AM
DDD, if you never say Wolverine then how do you know it sucked? Check it out for yourself man, don't rely on other peoples opinions. Plus, Fox has made some pretty decent movies over the years, the last two X-men were definitely not but they do put out some good stuff.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/12/2010, 10:34 AM
blee, you seem to have enough free time in your life to comment on this "meaningless nonsense." If you don't like articles relating to CBMs than don't read them.
WOLVERINEDECADE
WOLVERINEDECADE - 5/12/2010, 10:43 AM
WOLVERINEDECADE
WOLVERINEDECADE - 5/12/2010, 10:44 AM
@ACCESS: pre it worked!!!!!!!!!! salamt ng marami!!

just need to get used to this...
Winterborn
Winterborn - 5/12/2010, 12:35 PM
All they would have to do if X-men first class is in the same continuoty then have Prof. X mindwipe Summers and force his powers to change. After all Prof. X has no problem with messihg for the greater good or for experimentation (Phoenix. Rogue)
vonstallin
vonstallin - 5/12/2010, 1:32 PM

how about when he was young they were more lazer like, and as he grew older he learned to tame it more into a cuncussion like blast.
flames809
flames809 - 5/12/2010, 3:13 PM
well he probably learn how to control it when he went with professer x
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