AVENGERS VS. JUSTICE LEAGUE: Fanboy Faceoff

AVENGERS VS. JUSTICE LEAGUE: Fanboy Faceoff

Given the success of Marvel's The Avengers the answer seems obvious in a competition between that team and the Justice League, but Clevver Movies is nonetheless offering this comparative cinematic look.

By EdGross - Jun 05, 2012 04:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers



This debate does raise one point: Yes, DC Entertainment absolutely has a Batman film franchise, but that is obviously coming to a close this summer - at least in its current incarnation. Man of Steel is still the great unknown, and we know what happened with Green Lantern. What are the suggestions out there for DC? Seriously speaking, in your estimation what would that company have to do to try and get film adaptations of their heroes on track and give Marvel a run for its money?
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AgentDelta
AgentDelta - 6/5/2012, 4:58 AM
Need pics of that presenter. Don't let me down guys! :P
VidarRaven
VidarRaven - 6/5/2012, 5:00 AM
I'd go with JLA but would prefer the classic JSA
CrowPirate1
CrowPirate1 - 6/5/2012, 5:06 AM
DC could really start from scratch like Marvel did, since Batman may be starting over, and sign the new Batman to a 6 movie deal.. 3 Batmans, and 3 Justice Leagues. Then if Man of Steel works, sign him. If not, start over with Superman, and work towards the Justice League movie!!

I have said this all along. Debate which side has the best movies all you want... DC started the movies fantastically.. and then.. petered off... Marvel started slow and then has hit it out of the park.

To survive, DC now has to counter with it's OWN Team movie. They HAVE to know everyone wants it. as a comic fan who buys both sides.. I know I DO!
silverdog
silverdog - 6/5/2012, 5:09 AM
wildbillyb
wildbillyb - 6/5/2012, 5:10 AM
Seems to me that they could do this if Man of steel hits hard. Give Green lantern a sequel that is actually good. Perhaps have a second superman movie tie in to a JL. Then reboot batman by making the next batman actually the first justice league movie--or do something like the doom cartoon storyline, where batman is the center of the story. I think doing things like that would work. It all depends on Man of Steel.
Berger45
Berger45 - 6/5/2012, 5:14 AM
BRUCE TIMM IS NEEDED FOR JUSTICE LEAGUE! I believe only he can bring the cinematic-universe of DC to life, and WB has to wake the fudge up and get more comicbookmovies out!
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 6/5/2012, 5:18 AM
First of all, DC needs to find someone that knows both movies and comics to produce(godfather, mentor or whatever you want to call it) all of these movies. Chris Nolan is easily one of the top 5 filmakers of the 2000s, but he is not the man for the job....
EdGross
EdGross - 6/5/2012, 5:21 AM
Dev7, but Warners created DC Entertainment SPECIFICALLY to exploit the DC characters (theoretically in a good way) on the big screen and the small; to have a unit whose sole purpose is to bring those characters to life.

I've just been trying to figure out why they can't seem to get it together. Yes, WB will proclaim (and rightfully so) the critical and commercial success of the Nolan Batman films, but one series does not a studio make. I wonder if, creatively, there are the wrong voices being listened to, coupled with the fact that there isn't a Kevin Feige type overseeing all of it.

I look at the movie version of Green Lantern. Moving beyond the dopiness of Parallax, you've got a conflict in there about how Sinestro and the others don't believe that Hal Jordan is right; that will be enough to stop it. But then Hal single handedly proves he's right, is congratulated by Sinestro who has seemingly seen the error of his ways, but THEN in the post-credits scene slips on the yellow ring and transforms. Which completely contradicts what has been accomplished and acknowledged. I also have it on good authority that that bit with Sinestro and the ring wasn't in the script and wasn't even shot -- it was all done in post-production because "the fans will love this."

Maybe that's NOT the reason creative decisions should be made, and could be indicative of the challenges facing DC Entertainment.
SkywayTraffic
SkywayTraffic - 6/5/2012, 5:21 AM
Won't happen because Superman will flop harder than a flaccid dick.
CrowPirate1
CrowPirate1 - 6/5/2012, 5:22 AM
@Dev7

I agree. But what company won't want to make money, like billions of dollars money? and crow that they are back on top or at least competitive and at least equal. No matter what anyone thinks, all companies are in it to make money, and they have to be sitting there with their mouths open at the amount the Avengers made and how the plans of the road to that movie with the other movies worked.

It really IS time for Dc/Warner to rethink their whole comic to movie making process. It all just changed. It's a whole new world now, and they HAVE to keep up.

Basically, I just want to see a Justice League movie that's just as good, or even better so Marvel will up the stakes and try harder too. lol.

Here's to better movies for us all! [raises coffee mug]
Comix
Comix - 6/5/2012, 5:26 AM
DC does not have to follow Marvel with the whole build up thing, people dont have the time for that shit anymore, it was exciting cause it was new, but yeah they dont need to copy marvel. What I beleive they SHOULD do is start with a JLA movie and then do spin offs, sort of like x-men.
EdGross
EdGross - 6/5/2012, 5:34 AM
Comix, I wonder if the mainstream audience - so important on the global box office scale - will be into a Justice League movie with characters that, beyond Batman and Superman, they really won't know. In my humble, part of the reason that The Avengers works as effortlessly as it does is that if you enter the theatre having seen Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk and Thor, there is a tremendous amount of work already done for you in terms of establishing who these people are. Will a two and a half hour movie be able to establish Green Lantern, Flash, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, maybe Aquaman, for the audience?
BlackFlash
BlackFlash - 6/5/2012, 5:37 AM
Bruce Wayne>Tony Stark (Bruce's years of training would make him beat the s*!t out of Tony)

Iron Man>Batman (I don't even know how you could think Batman could beat Iron Man)

Superman>Hulk (Physical strength Hulk tops Superman but with all his abilities Superman win in the end but it would be like the Superman:Doomsday animated movie, Sup would pass out after that battle)

Thor>Superman (The god amongst men would beat a man like a god amongst men. Thor ability to control the weather would be a problem for a man who gets his power from the sun and a enchanted hammer wouldn't help Superman in any way)
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 6/5/2012, 5:43 AM
Dev7 - that is a good ass point!

I doubt that the shareholders at warners gives 2 craps about winning a war against marvel or bragging rights. All they care about is monet, as good shareholders do. I believe that DC entertainment is just a branding ploy, warners is still very much pulling the strings. I think that wb is a lot more concerned with finding the next harry potter, and after this summer, the next batman franchises. The hp franchise mad 3 times what the mcu has and batman alone has had comparable numbers to avengers without 3d. So i'm not convinced that wb believes that a jl movie is the way to go quite yet, especially after the way superman returns and gl underperformed. The next time they will even test the waters is next summer with man of steel. And lets be honest, we're only getting that movie because wb was about to lose the rights to superman!
Comix
Comix - 6/5/2012, 5:43 AM
@edgross

you are right though, maybe a new animted series could work to a certain point. But you do have a good point now that i think of it.
IronHood
IronHood - 6/5/2012, 5:49 AM
@Blackflash is a Marvel fanboy. Superman can own both of them, combined then there's a chance they can take him down but still highely unlikely.

Batman & Iron Man is a tricky one, because they both have gagdets & Weapons, but in the end it comes down to Batman because he's a master strategist, I'd bet Batman could even take down hulk, all he would have to do is make Hulk revert back to Banner, and it's over. Hulk would surely give him a rough time while doing it though.
IronHood
IronHood - 6/5/2012, 5:50 AM
Green Arrow? No Way! The general audience would be stupid enough to confuse him with Hawkeye. More like Aquaman & Martian Manhunter.
Trapdinsteel
Trapdinsteel - 6/5/2012, 5:55 AM
@EdGross - The only way DC can capitalize on the current wave of Superhero success and get the JL out there in time is to do a "Justice League Beginnings" film which kicks off Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Flash, Martian Manhunter(or cyborg at this point) and perhaps the new Batman that crosses into this combined universe. Using a "Pulp Fiction" style of different snippets of stories, you could introduce these characters in one movie with all of their origins, tease their main villain at the end of each arc then show a global threat at the end of this introductory film which will need all of them to join together.

Throw in a tie in with Man of Steel after the credits and Green Lantern 2 and you have your DC universe by the beginning of 2014.

What this also accomplishes, IF DONE CORRECTLY, is now you can branch out with these characters in solo movies leading to further team ups. AND it is not a copy of the "MARVEL" method.

That is what I would do anyway.
AlternateNo4
AlternateNo4 - 6/5/2012, 6:01 AM
hope this stays classy and doesn't devolve... the rivalry stuff is fin for comics discussions but for movies it all became moot when marvel studios started making their own stuff. yeah, they haven't all been perfect, but they've all been fine. it's not even a competition.

dev7 hit the nail on the head. the simple answer is that WB people look at what makes a successful "reglar" movie and try to apply those rules to cbms, while marvel studios understands what people like about comics and runs with it.

look at last summer. marvel hired two non-cbm directors for thor and cap, but chose them based on their aesthetics and genre experience. both were successful. wb, on the other hand, chose a guy for gl that had been successful with "regular" action-adventure but had NEVER done sci-fi, and right from the start all his interviews were off... it was clear he didn't "get" comics because he kept talking about humor and bright colors and swashbuckling romance. while that stuff IS a part of comics, it's not what comics ARE.

until there's a guy in charge that understands that capturing the soul of each character's genre is the only way to make the character real, wb will NEVER catch up. they hv=ave made a couple of good choices now... a mystery director for batman and a fantasy guy for superman. what they needed to follow that up with was abrams for aquaman, tarsem for diana and ridley scott for gl (okay, that last one is a pipe dream but wouldn't that be AWESOME???)
ralfinader
ralfinader - 6/5/2012, 6:03 AM
itbegins2005 - 6/5/2012, 5:04 AM
Report Comment This is some pretty brazen provocation of a very tired argument... but I'll bite.

Agreed. It seems that this report is focused on $$'s and steering clear of any other valid comparisons between the two properties (and if compared 40 years of Marvel movies to the 40 years the WB has had, I think those numbers would be more skewed in Marvel's direction). Also, it mentions TDKR adding to WB's larger incomes, without going at all into Phase 2 of Marvel's (or MoS for WB), which should up their numbers 'slightly' as well, so that made no sense to me, unless they are thinking the world ends in December. Anyways, it was a wonderful waste of time, with a pretty hostess and neat pictures.

Lowell58
Lowell58 - 6/5/2012, 6:04 AM
@worldbreaker
I'd love a Kingdom Come adaptation... Even though Alex Ross' art would put the CG to shame. My favorite series, I think.
CrowPirate1
CrowPirate1 - 6/5/2012, 6:06 AM
@AlternateNo4 Agreed... that director's comments were way off. and I dreaded going to see that film. And after seeing it, while visually well done, it had no heart, excitement, or sustaining energy. It was flat.

I really wished more for it.. and IF they do a second, wish they would work on those elements more than just the look.
mgeoff88
mgeoff88 - 6/5/2012, 6:10 AM
This video will no doubt fan the flames of the DC vs. Marvel war. If DC wants to compete with Marvel's movies, they will have to start taking more risks.

Green Lantern was a start, but it was executed horribly. I thought Ryan Reynolds was good as Hal Jordan, and the same goes for Mark Strong as Sinestro. But everything else was bad. Well, Blake Lively didn't do that bad actually.

It wasn't a good movie though. The script and effects were awful. I would like to see DC try to do a sequel with much better writers. Then I think the movie could live up to its true potential. You know, one that does Green Lantern(Hal Jordan) justice. Also, they need to stick to the source material more. That's a good way to go. A

DC needs to bring other deserving characters to the big screen. Not just play it safe by sticking with Superman and Batman.

If done well, I think these movies and could help DC step up their game on the movie front:

-Green Lantern 2(a reboot isn't always necessary)
-Wonder Woman(Seriously, it's been long enough)
-The Flash(He deserves the big screen treatment)
-Supermax(Green Arrow)
-Zatanna(Her origin and use of magic sets her apart)
-Super Girl(Connect it to the MOS universe, HC cameo)
-Static(Teenage superhero)
-Batman Beyond(This would be awesome, and different)
-Booster Gold(There is a TV show coming, so why not?)
-The Question
-Martian Manhunter
-Teen Titans
-JSA(You have to respect the ones that started it all)
-Aquaman(I know... but he is one of JLA members)
-JLA(This needs to happen, it's what DC fans want)
-Animal Man(Pre New 52, a lot of animal interaction)
-Hawkman(He is badass, 'nuff said)
-The Huntress(We need more solo female superhero films)

These characters are great, interesting, and have a loyal fan base. And some of them aren't A-List characters, which is a good way to go sometimes. Give the fans what they want, but respect them enough to do these iconic characters justice! Needless to say, DC has a lot of work to do to compete with Marvel.
TheGuillotine
TheGuillotine - 6/5/2012, 6:12 AM
This is possibly THE greatest discussion I have EVER read on CBM.

I am VERY interested when Ironman 3 and Thor 2 come out next year to see if Avengers effects the amount of money made for these sequels compared to their other offerings. I am betting if they both rake in the cash and Man of Steel does as well WB will jump on this money bandwagon like a whore on a naval vessel.
Feud
Feud - 6/5/2012, 6:14 AM
Waiting for intruder to leave a comment. Go on, I'm curious to see what you think.


jawz270589
jawz270589 - 6/5/2012, 6:18 AM
I really don't care whether WB will make a JL Film or not..
I know, Justice League members are more popular than Hawkeye, Black Widow, or even Thor, for general public..
The opportunity to success is pretty big..

I just want them make a very good movie..
Comix
Comix - 6/5/2012, 6:21 AM
@just1superguy

if Batman, a human being can kick both superman and wonder woman's ass im pretty sure a raging giant green monster, a super soldier with an unbreakbale shield even superman couldnt break and on top of that captain america always has a plan which is how he takes on people much stronger than him. I'm not going to throw in kryptonite, thats a bitch move but it could still possiblu happen. Ironman always has a solution to a problem, always. Im pretty sure Tony could take superman, but it would be really difficult.
Comix
Comix - 6/5/2012, 6:24 AM
@DCF

yes thats what Im saying. Just cause it didnt work well with FOX doesnt mean it cant work well with another company with the right amount of work. If Marvel were to think the way you think, I dont think wed have an MCU because theyd be to worried about whether their characters were popular enough or if they would even be successful.
Comix
Comix - 6/5/2012, 6:29 AM
@itbegins

Dam right, just look at hunger games and twilight. It would definitely get recognition just cause of the fact it involves teenagers and teenage drama.
RealGothamite
RealGothamite - 6/5/2012, 6:32 AM
I'm not keen on a JLA movie, I think the characters are big enough to have their own succesful individual films.

I honestly think any attempt to make a JLA film would be rushed and end up as a mess that could be a major set back for future CBMs.
DocBeez
DocBeez - 6/5/2012, 6:35 AM
@jphoenix - Superman would lose to hulk especially if banner is in full control (smarter and already more powerful). Thor could easily stand toe to toe unless supes somehow is able to take mjolnir during the fight.

Ironman over batman b/c his suit does a hell of a lot more than batman's utility belt and car. BM's fighting skills are good against those without powers/super strength. And don't even pretend he can take hulk...please.

Don't give us the whole "if batman has time to prepare" sh*t. He can prepare to get taken out by anyone with superpowers. Heck, black widow can give him a run for his money.
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