Fanboy Complaints: THE DARK KNIGHT RISES

Fanboy Complaints: THE DARK KNIGHT RISES

In the 3rd part of my Fanboy Complaints series I tackle some of the complaints thrown around about the finale of Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy: The Dark Knight Rises! Click on but we warned, will include major SPOILERS if you've yet to watch the movie (as if!)

Editorial Opinion
By yonny616 - Oct 02, 2013 09:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman



Hey ComicBookMovie community! Today I respond to some of the complaints throw around about the critically acclaimed blockbuster: The Dark Knight Rises. For some reason this is the most complained about movie in the entire trilogy, and probably the most complained about in the last decade. Anyway, I warn you guys again of the incoming spoilers. In the words of Bane: "Let the games begin!".

That isn't Bane:
Why isn't he Bane? He doesn't wear a luchador mask? Last time I checked there have been many different versions of Bane and what his mask looks like. I remember he wore like this a dominatrix type mask with a spiked collar in The New Adventures of Batman. Oh, he doesn't use venom like Bane does? Well if I remember correctly Bane quit using venom before the New 52 reboot since he started to see it as a weakness. Oh his origin is different? Well not really. He still escaped the prison, even if it was with the help of the League. He wasn’t the mastermind, just a henchman? Who cares? Bane hasn't really done anything since he broke Batman’s back. Since then he's been a mercenary or a henchman. He being a henchman really isn't anything new, just thank Nolan he didn’t make him like Shumacher Bane.


Batman would never retire for 8 years:
Tell that to Frank Millar. Oh that was an else world story? You guys do realize so is this film. Batman has quit, and eventually comes back, because he failed to save someone who is important to him. After The Dark Knight, Batman quit because he failed to save Rachel from dying, he felt responsible for Dent getting blown half to hell, and he also failed to save Harvey from Joker’s corruption which means Joker won. Also Batman was gone for 8 years, not Bruce.

Batman would never trust Catwoman:
Who said he trusted her? Before Catwoman takes Batman to Bane she says “still don’t trust me?” Batman didn’t trust Catwoman; he had faith that she would do the right thing. You can ask why he fell for the trap all you want, but Batman has fallen into traps before. I didn’t know Batman had a spidey sense.

Why doesn’t Batman investigate the people he hires?
This one is about Catwoman stealing his pearls and Miranda Tate being a shareholder. First Bruce funded the event; he didn’t hire the catering company. For all we know, Catwoman could have taken out one of the waitresses and took her clothes or she could have dressed as one and blended in. The Miranda Tate argument has more of a foot hold, but then again she’s a member of the League of Shadows and I’m sure they covered any tracks that could lead to her being discovered as actually being Talia Al Ghul.

Batman comes out of retirement for some jewelry?
This is the dumbest one I ever heard, but it was still thrown around. Batman doesn’t come back, Bruce gets the pearls back. Batman came back for the finger prints, not the pearls. Also they’re not just any pearls; they’re the pearls that Bruce’s dad gave to his mom before they died. I’m sure he’d go to hell and back for those pearls.

How does Batman heal his broken back so fast?
It’s a comic book movie; suspension of disbelief won’t hurt. Also many people think he healed his back in 3 days when in actuality he healed it in about 4 months

How did Bruce get back to the city so fast and how did he get in?
He’s Batman, that’s how. Seriously though, I didn’t hear anyone complain about how Batman found Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight after interrogating Maroni. I wonder why no one complained about how Batman disappears, or how he disappeared on the roof in front of Gordon and Dent turned around to find out he was gone and Gordon seemed to not know where he left to. Also in Batman Begins Bruce manages to travel by sneaking onto ships, and when Bruce leaves the pit there's 2-3 weeks left on the bombs timer. I'm sure if he traveld through ship he could have gotten to or a city near Gotham within 2 weeks. Also the bat was in the bat-cave last time we saw it, and maybe that's how he gets inside the city and parks it on top of Wanye Enterprises. Wayne Manor isn't in the city after all.

How did Blake find out Batman’s identity so fast?
Blake didn’t find out Batman’s identity in that scene. Sure I’ll agree this scene should have been fleshed out more or Nolan should have written that Blake was the kid that Batman saved along with Rachel in Batman Begins and he heard Rachel call him Bruce. Yet this is what we got. Blake found out Bruce’s true identity, he saw through the mask of Bruce Wayne to his real face: Batman’s face. Fans should have loved this scene since it's basically saying Batman is his real face.

Batman wastes time vandalizing a bridge:
This is Batman using one thing that was taught to him in the first film by Ra’s. He’s using theatrics. He was told that theatrics and deception would be powerful weapons. It gave hope to the city and got that cop guy to lead the assault on Bane’s army and it got Bane worried as well.

Batman would never quit (Ending):
Batman didn’t quit, he died. Batman died and Bruce lives on. Bruce finally moved on from his parent’s death as well.

So there you have it! My responses to some of the complaints about The Dark Knight Rises. Hope you guys enjoy the read and thank you so much for your time.
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AC1
AC1 - 10/2/2013, 10:57 AM
@Soto he didn't give up when he met Falcone in person in Begins, that was what made him leave Gotham and seek training. He didn't almost give up in the prison either, he was there to learn about criminals and also to practice fighting with them. In The Dark Knight, an opportunity arose for Gotham not to need Batman anymore, as Harvey could've saved them instead, and Bruce felt Harvey would be better since he wouldn't need to wear a mask and act outside of the law like Batman does - plus, he sees Rachel as his one chance for a normal life, so he would quit for her (which is more or less established at the end of Batman Begins). He also considers giving up in that film because he feels that Batman is responsible for the deaths of innocent people - The Joker says he will kill people every day until Batman unmasks himself. I don't think he really needed to give up at the end, but it did set up The Dark Knight Rises in a way that was reminiscent to The Dark Knight Returns.
As for giving up at the end of Rises, it made sense. I would've preferred it if he actually died, but I'm OK with what we got instead. At least this time he wasn't abandoning Gotham, because he trusted Blake to take over as the new Batman. He was passing on the mantle this time, not giving up. Granted, he should've stayed in Gotham to at least train Blake before he left, but that may be nitpicking.
TheYoungMan
TheYoungMan - 10/2/2013, 12:15 PM
I don't see why Blake can't go overseas to train with Bruce like Bruce did in BB with Ra's.
BackwardGalaxy
BackwardGalaxy - 10/2/2013, 12:48 PM
I think it was a good movie. My main complaint was that it felt like we ended up farther away from the Batman in the comics than ever. He retires for years. He comes back for a little while, then retires completely. I said this about Clark Kent/Tom Welling on Smallville for years... If you spend that much time telling us you don't want to play Superman, at some point, we're going to agree with you. They kept building this up as the LAST in the Nolan trilogy. Bale kept telling us he didn't want to play Batman again. Then they show us a movie where he retires TWICE. Fine, we get it, you don't want to be Batman anymore. I guess being Batman sucked for you?

Yes, I know this isn't AT ALL the point of the movie, and almost has nothing at all to do with the movie. But, I just feel like that's sorta hanging there.
Ineedrevelation
Ineedrevelation - 10/2/2013, 12:56 PM
Pictures would help this article a whole lot.
UncleDrew
UncleDrew - 10/2/2013, 1:09 PM
This is such a great article and everything I told fanboys about. Loved this movie
scoobyjas
scoobyjas - 10/2/2013, 1:13 PM
"Batman would never retire for 8 years:Tell that to Frank Millar"

You're right, however in that story, he had been Batman for 15-20 years and he quit because the government made all superheroes quit!

In Nolan's version he was Batman for what... 1 year?
Minato
Minato - 10/2/2013, 1:30 PM
krylonshadow
krylonshadow - 10/2/2013, 1:36 PM
Can't tell if this article is serious or if it's a satire on Nolanites who think this movie was anything but utter crap.
KnobGoblin
KnobGoblin - 10/2/2013, 1:47 PM
"After The Dark Knight, Batman quit because he failed to save Rachel from dying, he felt responsible for Dent getting blown half to hell, and he also failed to save Harvey from Joker’s corruption which means Joker won."

Batman retired because he wasn't needed anymore, he took the blame for Harvey Dent so that all the criminals Harvey locked up with his R.I.C.O. sting wouldn't be released on a technicality. He sacrificed Batman for the greater good, because Harvey Dent had essentially beaten the mob and ended organized crime in Gotham. That would've all been taken away had Harvey's crimes come to light.
NightWingNut
NightWingNut - 10/2/2013, 1:48 PM
Gotham is in Bruce's blood. Batman IS the night, and always will be. It is something that he cannot escape. That's fine and dandy that Nolan makes him "get over the death of his parents," but the true essence of the character Batman is an individual who is eternally haunted by that event, and will always be a little messed up in the head because of it. Nolan took a character (Bruce Wayne)and fleshed out a brief story about him in his own style, and at the same time he kind of glossed over the fundamentals of what Batman truly is. The movies were entertaining, but to me they hold about just as much weight as Marvel's Ultimate Universe, it's something that exists on the side and doesn't quite feel canon. Personally Batman Begins felt like the strongest of the three, could be because it was an origin story, could be because the suit actually looked like a superhero costume and not a typical overpadded motorcyclist uniform. As for the way they handled Robin in Rises...*sigh*...I think they should have just made him a completely separate character with no ties to Robin, it wasn't needed. It felt forced and almost like an obligation to the fans.
scoobyjas
scoobyjas - 10/2/2013, 1:52 PM
@NightWingNut;
Agree with you 100%!
TheWolverine08
TheWolverine08 - 10/2/2013, 1:52 PM
TDKR was plain terrible besides Bane IMO, but Batman Begins is still the best of the Nolan trilogy for me.
KnobGoblin
KnobGoblin - 10/2/2013, 1:54 PM
Also, after Dent's death they were able to enact tougher laws on organized crime. So what was Batman supposed to do, beat up people who park in handicap zones, or litter? He won, Gotham was rid of the mob.
KnobGoblin
KnobGoblin - 10/2/2013, 2:00 PM
Batman's back wasn't "broken" either, he just had a Herniated Disc. A common medical problem that can be solved with chiropractic treatment and exercise.
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 10/2/2013, 2:07 PM
@NightWingNut

But dont all CBMs exist on the side as non cannon? That's how I view them anyways.


Remember the Bane arguments: Bane In Name only, then the midget Bane picture backed by the set pic that shows Bale is taller than Hardy, and then his ethnicity.

Bane > Mandarin > Lizard
krylonshadow
krylonshadow - 10/2/2013, 2:21 PM
@AnnoDomini
You made the same typo twice. You put ">" instead of "<" but I got you bro, no worries.
Minato
Minato - 10/2/2013, 2:23 PM
TDK>BB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>…….>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TDKR
marvel72
marvel72 - 10/2/2013, 2:29 PM
yup,you listed most of the problems with this average batman movie & you forgot boring in places as well.
Whiteandgold
Whiteandgold - 10/2/2013, 2:32 PM
TDK trilogy is the best thing to ever happen in history of CBM.
TheYoungMan
TheYoungMan - 10/2/2013, 2:37 PM






LittleDanglyThing
LittleDanglyThing - 10/2/2013, 2:38 PM
This movie was stupid and these responses are words of an apologist. No fanboyism at all, TDKR was the worst of the 3 and it was no where near The Dark Knight.
AsianVersionOfET
AsianVersionOfET - 10/2/2013, 2:39 PM
Batman Begins= The Dark Knight= The Dark Knight Rises. They're all equal, they each have lots of different good things about them and very few bad things. Best comic book trilogy, best trilogy in film, in general. Good article.
LittleDanglyThing
LittleDanglyThing - 10/2/2013, 3:02 PM
How come nobody ever talks about how awful the fight scenes are in the TDK trilogy when they talk shit about them? I mean they were pretty bad. I love the Dark Knight the action sequences were great but the fight choreography in TDKR was some of the worst I've seen in modern movies, dudes fall when they're not even near Batman.
LittleDanglyThing
LittleDanglyThing - 10/2/2013, 3:17 PM
@BenisBatman I think it's because of how pretentious the TDK trilogy is, particularly TDKR so people judge it more harshly. When you hear someone talk about Avengers its "Oh that movie was awesome!" but when you hear someone talk about ANY Nolan film "That movie was brilliant it deserves an Oscar" even though there are obvious plot holes. Although for me there are a few glaring flaws that can't go unnoticed but yes there are some things that are just nit picky, like Bane not being like he is in the comics... NO CHARACTER is like they are in the comics it's a movie adaptation.
LittleDanglyThing
LittleDanglyThing - 10/2/2013, 3:19 PM
@Jollem That's a lot better than someone falling to the ground when they're not even fighting lol also that was meant to be silly, a little to silly in my taste.
Oxion
Oxion - 10/2/2013, 3:21 PM
suck a dick haters...plain n simple...
LittleDanglyThing
LittleDanglyThing - 10/2/2013, 3:23 PM
@Jollem Also, bewbs :)
HughJasol
HughJasol - 10/2/2013, 3:27 PM
Love TDKR. TDK, TDKR, BB in that order for me.
TheYoungMan
TheYoungMan - 10/2/2013, 4:15 PM
"when you hear someone talk about ANY Nolan film "That movie was brilliant it deserves an Oscar" even though there are obvious plot holes."

If obvious plot holes disqualifies movies from being great, there would be no great movies. Vertigo, Star Wars, Pulp Fiction, The Matrix...literally ANY movie. Anyone can sit there and come up with 50+ meaningless and tediously pointless plot holes for each of these movies. How about you learn how to critique a film instead of looking for superficial plot holes? How is the drama? The direction? The acting? The characterizations? The story? You know, the things that people actually care about when judging a film. Not "omg i found a plot hole hurr durr". Imbeciles.
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