THE BATMAN Star Robert Pattinson Isn't Convinced Superman Could Work In Matt Reeves' "Batverse"

THE BATMAN Star Robert Pattinson Isn't Convinced Superman Could Work In Matt Reeves' "Batverse"

It's become apparent that The Batman is a movie very much grounded in reality, and Robert Pattinson has now explained why he's not convinced a larger than life hero like Superman could fit into this world.

By JoshWilding - Feb 23, 2022 09:02 AM EST
Filed Under: The Batman
Source: ComicBook.com

Until Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice was released in 2016, the Caped Crusader had typically been portrayed as a character who lived in a world without other superheroes. That was certainly the case in The Dark Knight Trilogy, and Matt Reeves' "Batverse" - which will launch with The Batman next week - appears to be similarly standalone in nature. 

Photos from the set of the DC Comics adaptation seemed to tease the existence of characters like Wonder Woman and The Flash, but The Batman star Robert Pattinson isn't convinced a hero like Superman would be a good fit for the world created by Reeves.

"We've been talking about how to get the fantastical elements because Matt's world, his take on it is so grounded, and I'm thinking like, 'How can you add...?'" he told ComicBook.com. "Like, we were talking the other day, like, 'Can you add Superman into it but he just doesn't have any powers? He's just a guy in a cape?' He's just like, 'I'm Superman!' And they're like, 'So?'"

We're pretty sure Pattinson is just joking on that last point, but as fun as it is to think about a new Justice League in this world, there's room for those characters elsewhere in the DC Extended Universe. 

With Reeves looking to launch a new trilogy of movies accompanied by TV shows on HBO Max, it would arguably be much better to keep the focus on the Caped Crusader and the characters who inhabit his world before heading down the "Dawn of Justice" route again. We're not banking on seeing any other heroes visit Gotham City in or after The Batman, anyway, but will keep you updated.

The Batman will finally be released in theaters on March 4 with IMAX screenings beginning March 1.

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Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/23/2022, 9:55 AM
@TheManWithoutFear -
Therein lies the problem. If you create a world for Batman and there is no room for Superman than you failed and that's why Marvel has succeeded.
Steel86
Steel86 - 2/23/2022, 10:28 AM
@Goldboink - Bale said the same thing for the Nolan films. I'm not sure why they are so closed minded on this. There is pose to be a stark contrast between the characters so when you do bring them together its knight😉 and day. I'm a DC guy at heart but this is exactly why Marvel is kicking butt in the movies. The original Avengers solo movies tried to stay true to the characters and stories and when they came together they mixed it all in. Side note except for Spidey but hopefully he gets to shine on his own with the new direction.
The1st
The1st - 2/23/2022, 10:29 AM
@Goldboink - BTAS...anybody, Bueller? The show basically covered Batman's earlier years and relationships. Then, we got World's Finest after some of the more fantastic elements were introduced during the Batman Superman adventures, culminating in JL and JLU. It's always so refreshing when I hear a director or people involved in a film say something needs to be "grounded in reality". Really, cuz Fast and the Furious is essentially a Hot Wheels franchise at this point and continues to bank.


Fares
Fares - 2/23/2022, 9:06 AM
Same, Robert. Same.
Blergh
Blergh - 2/23/2022, 9:07 AM
Then maybe finally make a universe where Batman can coexist with Superman?
Stop treating Batman as "too realistic" to fight opposite aliens, monsters and demons.

Even Snyder, despite featuring Batman, treated him as this "too serious and dark" character.
He's not, he's a guy dressed as a bat fighting crime. He's ridiculous as it is.

Just cancel everything DC does in a "Apokolips Wars" way and reboot DC's entire lineup. From TV, movies, comics and animated movies.
Start anew, get rid of the "we want realism but can't commit" mindset.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 2/23/2022, 9:08 AM
@Blergh - They just tried that.
It didnt work.
MarvelDCAllDay
MarvelDCAllDay - 2/23/2022, 9:11 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - That’s not why it didn’t work
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 2/23/2022, 9:40 AM
@MarvelDCAllDay - We'll never know for sure because it was the first try, but I think the DCEU was always going to fail.
Kyos
Kyos - 2/23/2022, 9:55 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - the DCEU was always going to fail

I really don't think that. Replace BvS with a World's Finest movie, get someone who can actually write superheroes, make Superman and Batman intelligent and likable, and see where it leads.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/23/2022, 9:58 AM
@Blergh -
These movies are being made, for the most part, by people who despise what comic books stand for. It's not "realism" it's "escapism". That's why nobody since the Donner days have really succeeded with Superman. He is a symbol of hope and the people who are peddling this current version don't believe in hope. They sell angst and fear.

Make Mine Marvel.
Steel86
Steel86 - 2/23/2022, 10:43 AM
@Kyos - Yep, people sometimes forget that Ironman and Thor were not household names when they first became movies. Superman and Batman are way more known. Couple that with Batman being on a hot streak after TDK trilogy and DC had a golden opportunity to build something truly amazing. MOS wasn't terribly but Synder just doesn't get the heart of this characters. He just sees the surface. Yes we got a fighting Superman but he took away the heart with making Clark this nomadic non sympathetic character. Then you couple that with a darker than dark almost almost supernatural Batman and a rush job to get to Justice League and its all downhill.
Blergh
Blergh - 2/23/2022, 11:10 AM
@Goldboink - I'm inclined to agree with that assesment.
Batman and Superman, the entire DCEU is super dark and edgy (outside of the positive improvements lately).
It almost feels like Snyder, Ayer and others were ashamed of superhero movies and felt that Nolan eradicated that shame with his concept of a realistic Batman (which CAN work but shouldn't be overdone)
SerKurtWagner
SerKurtWagner - 2/23/2022, 11:50 AM
@Blergh - Batman is best as a serious and dark character. The problem is some people (Nolan and now possibly Reeves) can't seem to grasp that superpowers can exist in a serious, dark story or that serious, dark characters can coexist with other characters who aren't like that.
DalekCraigWasson
DalekCraigWasson - 2/23/2022, 12:05 PM
@TheHumanSpider2 - BvS had one of the biggest opening weekend to second weekend drops. EVERYONE was wanting to see Batman fight Superman and then they came out going "Don't see that" to their friends.
inkniron
inkniron - 2/23/2022, 12:19 PM
@Blergh - Yup. I've been screaming the Apokolips war angle for 5 years, ever since the JL'17 failure. That was also the time they started talking about a Supergirl movie and more diversity. Awesome block to jump off of. Make a World's Finest New 52 style with Powergirl and Huntress escaping the Snyder decimated wasteland via Boom tube in the opening scene. Keep who you like, reboot what you don't. Clean break, easy peasy.

Now they may be too far down the road for that.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/23/2022, 12:51 PM
@Blergh -
I loved the Nolan movies, no doubt but you are right. They neither respect nor understand the whole concept of superpowers and are kind of skeeved out by colorful costumes.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 2/23/2022, 9:08 AM
A DC cinematic universe was always a bad idea.
It can work in comics and animation, but not in live action.
Is hard to believe Batman exists in a world where Superman and Wonder Woman exist.
Even without BvS and JL, the DCEU was never going to work.
r4dagast
r4dagast - 2/23/2022, 9:14 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - Iron man and Batman are very comparable and iron man worked just fine in the mcu, WB just sucks at managing their properties
GhostDog
GhostDog - 2/23/2022, 9:14 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - can’t go in with this attitude. The reason it didn’t work is they just did an awful job with execution.

If a guy with a bow arrow and a Norse god can be in the same room


So can these two
FinnishDude
FinnishDude - 2/23/2022, 9:19 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - If Punisher can fight magic ninja death cult in a gritty Netflix show, there's no reason why Batman can't be part of more fantastical universe. Sure, it wouldn't work in something like the Nolanverse, but looking how stylized and not very realistic they were, would it really be impossible imagine the rest of the DC universe in, say, Burtonverse?
TheSuperMex
TheSuperMex - 2/23/2022, 9:36 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - that’s a dumb take. That like saying how can Hawkeye and Black Widow exist in a world with the Hulk and Thor. That worked so why can’t Batman with Superman and Wonder Woman?
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 2/23/2022, 9:42 AM
@FinnishDude - The Netflix shows that are not even canon, and pretend The Avengers dont even exist?

@TheSuperMex - It just doesnt, it never did.
Marvel was conceived with all these characters already co-existing.
When you read a Batman comic, you have to prevent yourself from thinking "...why doesnt he just call Clark?"
clj70
clj70 - 2/23/2022, 9:44 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - Are you serious? How about the idea of a talking, wise cracking, raccoon who flies a spaceship alongside a tree who plays video games? This works but Batman alongside Superman and Wonder Woman do not?

Right.

The problem has never been the characters themselves, it is and has always been WB's inability to manage their properties. This MIGHT change when WB merges with Discovery iater this year. We'll just have to wait and see.

thundershocked
thundershocked - 2/23/2022, 9:51 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - You can say the same thing about any Marvel character that protects New York. "Why doesn't he just call Spiderman, the F4, the Xmen, Daredevil, Jessica, Luke etc...

Stop giving WB excuses. If Rocket Raccoon works, anything can work if done properly.
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 2/23/2022, 9:56 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 -

The success of the MCU has really helped with this perception. Obviously non-superpowered heroes could still exist in a world with superpowered heroes. The concern is not wanting Batman to seem inferior or irrelevant. And also not wanting to acknowledge that there's an absurdity to the character. The idea that he could dress up in that costume and be taken seriously, is what some fans are very protective of. That's what the grounded Batman debate has always been about. Especially older Batman fans wanting to feel validated, by still liking "realistic fiction", in the superhero genre.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/23/2022, 10:03 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 -
Good point. the DC characters were developed as separate entities living in fictional places. JL was a thing way before the Avengers but there is very little cross pollination between characters. The Marvel characters were created over the course of a few years and they all inhabited NYC and not Gotham or Metropolis or whatnot. The chatacters were always running into each other and at it's core it was a team up thing.

I still want a good Superman movie and there are plenty of characters that they can roll out but maybe you don't go way out of your way to make it all interconnected.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/23/2022, 10:04 AM
@BlackBeltJones -
All it requires is a little bit of imaginatinon.
lordSTALE
lordSTALE - 2/23/2022, 10:18 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - "Is hard to believe Batman exists in a world where Superman and Wonder Woman exist."

It's actually incredibly easy. As others have pointed out, there are normal human characters in the MCU fighting along side gods, aliens, dragons, werewolves, vampires etc. So Batman existing in the same world as Superman, Green Lantern and Wonder Woman should be just as easy.

The quick and easy fix to your problem is to introduce the metahuman Batman villains in the Batman solo films. This would make it less jarring when Batman faces off with aliens, gods etc because he's already faced a super roided-out man, a giant zombie man or a crocodile man

By only ever making these gritty realistic Batman movies, would they make it difficult for crossovers
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 2/23/2022, 10:32 AM
Yeah, it wasn't that BvS was a shoddily made movie that made zero effort to build a world that has Batman and Superman coexist, it was the audience's fault! They're just too inept to believe it!
Manmarvel
Manmarvel - 2/23/2022, 10:42 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - Tim Burton's Batman could have easily had Superman show up.
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 2/23/2022, 10:57 AM
@Reeds2Much - I wish I was shocked to see the pendulum start swinging back from "How did they screw this up" towards "How could this have ever worked?"
The1st
The1st - 2/23/2022, 11:20 AM
@BlackBeltJones - Exactly. If a shield agent can talk down a Hulk I'm pretty sure Bats and Supes can find middle ground and coexist. Maybe if their...mothers had the same name, for example.
Manmarvel
Manmarvel - 2/23/2022, 11:36 AM
@The1st - hahahahaha
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