4 Misconceptions Regarding DC/WB Trumpeted by disney and their fans to mislead and spread negativity

4 Misconceptions Regarding DC/WB Trumpeted by disney and their fans to mislead and spread negativity

Over the last week i have heard some of the silliest and quite frankly dumb arguments thrown at DC, in this i debunk 4 of them.

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By tonytony - Apr 30, 2015 05:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics


Over the last week i have heard some of the silliest and quite frankly dumb arguments thrown at DC by disney trolls, in this i debunk 4 of them. 




 

1.The suits call shots over creative talent-

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Some people have tried to paint the studio as run by stiffs and guys in suits who stifle the creative part of the process particularly with DC cinematic universe looming.

Now one of the things that came about from the Kim masters article in the hollywood reporter this week is that actually the creative talent are not going to be giving an overlord like Kevin feige, they will be free to tell their stories how they want to tell it. This is not surprising as Warner bros is a studio with a legacy of letting the creative talent express themselves.

THis is important because the directors that work with the studio and find success have a tendency to stay working with the studio for a very long time, and tend to work with the studio over and over again recent examples of this are Christopher Nolan, Peter Jackson and the wachowskis.

Contrast this with marvel where most directors and people behind the camera too cant wait to get away from the studio once they have fulfilled their contract obligations. If you look at the situation with edgar wright and recently Joss whedon talking about the challenges of working within all the parameters set by marvel.



in fact i would go as far as saying that the people calling the shots at marvel are not the creative they are in fact the suits, which maybe explains why their movies are increasingly being described as formulaic and a lot of creative talent cant wait to cut ties with them.




2. The people running things at dc are not comic book people


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Wrong again, David goyer wrote some of the best issues of the Justice league/society comics as far back as 1999. He is more knowledgable than any of marvels film talent this includes whedon(ex-marvel now). He wrote blade for the time warner (Newline- which is wb today) too, that movie was responsible for kicking off the modern day renaissance of comic book movies.

On the other side does anyone really think shane black was an expert on iron man? what about Kenneth brannagh on thor?

Again Zach snyder is a very knowledgable guy about the comics and is a massive comic book nerd too.  The idea that people at warner bros or anyone working in the dccu are newbies or dont know about the comic books is wrong and another one of those baseless and unsubstantiated criticisms perpetuated by marvel trolls.



3. DC are rushing

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my question is "how?" they have taken their time 3 years will have passed between now and BVS so i dont understand how this is rushing. A rushed Movie is ant man with no script and a changed director and is ready 3 months later. but thats conveniently overlooked.


4. DCCCU Must  seemingly be an exact copy marvel Cinematic universe to succeed

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First and foremost there  is nothing wrong with taking your cues from others who have walked the path before you. BUt at the same time there is more than one way to succeed. 

I ask how many people on this website have built a cohesive cinematic universe?

What?

you mean to say none of you have built a cinematic universe?

Then how can you say with certainty that the only way to build a shared cinematic universe is by copying marvel? this is a problem for some nitwits on the internet.  

would i want the dccu to be a carbon copy of marvels? No! would i want forced humour in all my movies? no! Mind you i dont mind a joke here or there but the minute any of my heroes beats the villains with a cringe worthy dance off... im out. 


These are just some areas, if you have any feedback please let me know below and if you like this article give it a thumbs up. 
 
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Invictor
Invictor - 4/30/2015, 7:17 PM
@tonytony

How do you call Ant-Man, a movie that's been in development since 2006, rushed? It had a script, they just rewrote it.
Invictor
Invictor - 4/30/2015, 7:21 PM
And DC needs a Kevin Feige. If they don't get one soon, then continuity and conflict between writers and directors will be [frick]ed and they'll be arguing about the direction they'd like to take the characters in certain movies and what not.
Invictor
Invictor - 4/30/2015, 7:29 PM
And your argument in bold towards Marvel is false; Marvel has a game plan for their universe for years ahead of our time and still allow creative control, but you still can't blame them for putting on limits. Also, it's only been two people who dropped from their movies because of real dilemmas: Mickey Rourke fed up with his role and Terrence Howard fed up with his paycheck. Edgar Wright stayed with them up until 2014 because of creative differences, not because he couldn't wait to cut ties with them. Marvel gives more creative freedom than you think, for example, Shane Black thought of the Mandarin twist in Iron Man 2.
Invictor
Invictor - 4/30/2015, 7:30 PM
Iron Man 3
LastAvenger99
LastAvenger99 - 4/30/2015, 7:49 PM
This is what I don't get DC tried to bring the justice league to the big screen a while ago but of course plans fell through. DC tried to jump start their cinematic universe with Green lantern and of course that didn't work out. DC should have said [frick] it and kept going even tho Green lantern wasn't successful. To me DC isn't rushing things we really seem to think the movie going audience needs to see an origin story for EVERY single character. Yes marvel needed to because I didn't know shit about Iron man when the film came out but the film made me want to explore who the character was in my own free time.

Marvel studio fan boys kill me in that they deem a faithful look and bright colors equals a good product. I fear Marvel studios is becoming an assembly line dishing out films for the sake of continuity. AOU wasn't that great and to be honest it didn't need to be because we find ourselves at a time now where fans will except virtually ANYTHING coming from Marvel AND TRUST Marvel knows that. Say what you will but All hail the king was damage control because of the fans reaction to the Mandarin. But GOD FORBID DC TAKE CREATIVE DIFFERENCES WITH THEIR CHARACTERS.

I hope DC learn that there is no such thing as trying to play catch up. Catch up to what? As if there is some imaginary deadline comic movies have to meet before the world ends/ We have seen what Marvel has to offer and everything seems to feel the same from every movie minus the winter solider.

Now the excuse i always hear is that Marvel has a good track record so we can trust Marvel more than DC. Man of steel rotten tomatoes score is always brought up yet when we see AOU RT score being brought it it's forget it guys judge the movie for yourself. I know marvel studio fan boys are riding high because of the release of AOU hence why im seeing a lot of hate coming from Marvel fan boys.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 4/30/2015, 8:11 PM
This article debunks nothing. You just talk about points brought up by other people. This comes off as desperate. [frick] the competition. Let's just enjoy the next couple years of CBM goodness we have coming.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 4/30/2015, 8:15 PM
And you guys have proof right here on CBM. Any good news from Marvel and all the DC crybabys come out. You expect it in Wilding flame bait. But every article I look at I see constant bitching. And yes the same happens in the DC articles from the DC haters. But with all the talk about Age of Ultrons success it has the DC boys real bitter lately.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 4/30/2015, 8:42 PM
I also like how this article lies about Whedon feelings towards Marvel Studios. He said he would want to work with them again. He just needs a break. Wants to work on some of HIS OWN material. Good job trying to mangle his words around in your favor. Actually no......not a good job. You made it up.
sikwon
sikwon - 4/30/2015, 8:45 PM
Uhmmm...
John Favreau.. 2 movies

Joss Wheadon.. 2 movies (and he basically said he's just ready to make smaller movies)

The Russo brothers.. 4 movies!

James Gunn... 2 movies.

Ya, directors run from Marvel. All I want fro. Dc/WB is a good story. That's it. Give me a good story and I'm in. All the issues I have with MoS the 2 things that make it watchable are the awesome fights and the decent story. I have a bunch of issues but the over all story I like.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 4/30/2015, 8:54 PM
@sikwon

um

Louis Leterrier, Kenneth Branagh, Joe Johnston, Shane Black, Alan Taylor, Patty Jenkins, Edgar Wright...

Ya, directors run from Marvel. All I want from Marvel is a story in the first place. Not setting up for another movie thats setting up for another movie. One of the main criticisms of AOU I've seen is that there is barely any cohesive story to follow.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 4/30/2015, 9:03 PM
That's why I like Iron Man more than any other MCU film, because it's the only one not setting up (The Incredible Hulk also did this, but isn't considered "canon" and shit I guess), except for the post credits, which is where it should be. Iron Man 2: set up characters for the Avengers, Thor: setting up villain for Avengers, CA TFA: setting up the plot device for Avengers, Avengers: setting up plot for Infinity War, Iron Man 3: setting up almost nothing important, but meh, Thor 2: setting up Thor being on Earth for AOU, Cap 2: Setting up shield being gone, and Maximoff twins for AOU, GOTG: Setting up for Infinity War. AOU: setting up Civil War and Infinity War. MY GOD: WHAT IS INFINITY WAR GOING TO SET UP??????????????????????????
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 4/30/2015, 9:05 PM
Oh yeah, Thor 2 also set up Thor 3
homodrome
homodrome - 4/30/2015, 9:06 PM
you make valid points but there is a lot that comes off as shit talking which negates the whole making a good point. you wanna call people out on their shit? you gotta shut up about your own.
the
the - 4/30/2015, 9:14 PM
@LastAvenger99
Green Lantern was a bonafide financial bomb.
They really, really lost money with that movie.

No studio, even Marvel Studios, in their right mind would gamble a future installment that ties into that kind of failure.

The path WB/DC seems to be going on right now inspires hope.
Kurne
Kurne - 4/30/2015, 10:38 PM
@dannramm113

Saying The Avengers is just a setup for Infinity War is dumb. By that logic you should go ahead and begin your rant on DOFP or Justice League Part One.

And Iron Man 3 was no setup. In fact you almost said it yourself. Calling TDW a setup is also dumb. Going by what you said, no matter where Thor ended up you'd be complaining.

All you're saying is the same old "there are no stakes in the MCU because they've already announced all these other films!" DC's slate is the same, I guess.
RextheKing
RextheKing - 4/30/2015, 11:13 PM
You have some decent points, some very good, but you revealed some of your own shit, in attempt of calling out others. Not saying your a DC troll but you tread the line with this article. Make your point without stepping in to mindset of other trolls or you will appear as one yourself.
UltimateTypeface
UltimateTypeface - 4/30/2015, 11:50 PM
Bitter much dude?

JEEZUS!! I have never read such a childish hissy-fit!

They should have age limits on submissions.

Take a step back and a big breath...pull your hand out of your pants and have a look at the facts.

MCU = SUCCESS

DCCU = To be determined.
Carl
Carl - 5/1/2015, 7:00 AM
Forthas
Forthas - 5/1/2015, 10:12 AM
1) The suits do call the shots over creative talent. How else do you explain miscast after miscast from Ben Affleck as Batman, Amy Adams as Lois Lane, Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman and Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. It looks like nothing more than cronyism at the expense of sensible casting decisions.

2) I actually agree, the people at Warner Brothers are comic book people and that is the problem. The ultra fantastic nature of DC comics requires people who are able to translate that to a real world. That is why the dark Knight movies were successful. They were story driven. marvel is successful for other reasons but after watching Age of Ultron I miss the days comic book movies taken seriously instead of inopportune and silly jokes at weird points in the film.

3) There is absolutely no way to sugar coat the fact that DC is rushing the Justice League team up. The reason they waited three years is not because they took their time, but because they did not know what to do...and still don't.

4) I actually don't think that anyone is stating that DC needs to be an exact copy of Marvel, but given that outside of the Dark Knight films, DC films have been mostly failures, I think people are suggesting that hey try a proven strategy instead of having unbalanced films that have no relationship with each other.

Warner Brothers made the most boneheaded move that I have ever seen a studio make by not incorporating the Dark Knight films into a shared universe. From already having an established Batman; having established characters (at least four superheroes) and five movies in the universe(including Man of Steel); it would have been pretty easy to build on the Dark Knight trilogy which both started before and outperformed Iron Man which anchored the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The fact that they can't seem to get out of the gate and have to resort to shameless stunts pitting Batman versus Superman is a sign that their efforts will be cheap and shallow. Just about every single development I have seen from this production has felt that way.



DatNerdyKid
DatNerdyKid - 5/1/2015, 10:58 AM
@Forthas

1) I take issue with you here. If you think Amy Adams was miscast from your viewing of 'Man of Steel' that's your business, but you can't judge Affleck, Gadot or Eisenberg yet without having seen BvS. Wait to watch their performances before judging them. I happen to disagree with you on all four accounts (except...kinda still concerned about Gadot...eh) so we'll just have to disagree.

2) Don't care.

3) See above.

4. See above.

You think they should have connected the universes? Just because the TDK trilogy was so successful?! Look, I love those movies to death, but you must understand how they would have, creatively, had their hands tied-a Jokerless universe (c'mon, you think they wouldn't shit their pants trying to recast?), dead Bane, dead Ra's (and no sign of Lazarus pits), dead Talia, sort-of-Robin-in-the-only-way-that'd-make-sense and a retired Batman. Nnnnoooo. Also, it would be a continuation of a universe that started TEN YEARS AGO-be considerate of the fact that the people involved would have wanted to move on.

Batman versus Superman is a 'shameless stunt'? It's BRINGING THE COMICS TO LIFE! We are getting what we've always wanted-a clash of the two biggest comic book titans on the big screen. Sure, it'll make buttloads of money, but don't underestimate how monumental the film is. Also, erm, you seem to be forgetting 'Iron Man V Captain America: Civil War', announced initially (before learning the title/premise) to have the same release date as BvS. Like BvS it also pits its universe's two most iconic heroes in an ideological battle straight from the comics-this is not to say I'm not looking forward to Civil War, because I absolutely am, but all the casting confirmations and news about the film began rolling in well after BvS was underway.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 5/1/2015, 11:08 AM
Hence.....the movie fell through. Went no where. Got dropped. However you want to say it WB didn't make the movie they were working on. No point in arguing this fact anymore.
ralfinader
ralfinader - 5/1/2015, 11:27 AM
Sorry, but this article is straw grasping at best, an ostrich burying it's head in the sand at it's worst. If Kim Master's article was so far off the mark, where are the WB honcho's to contest it? I would love to see A DCCU take off and be as great or better than the MCU, but like so many, I am fairly conviced that without a head chef, there are going to be too many cooks in the kitchen. But, as it has been said, the DCCU is still in it's infancy, and until we get a few more flicks on the big screen, everything, Master's article, your sadly defensive rant, the theories of everyone on this site, including my own, is just conjecture.
Crawler
Crawler - 5/1/2015, 11:27 AM
Movies that I have been pleased with over the last decade and would watch again:
DC
Batman Begins - NO
The Dark Knight - Yes
Green Lantern - NO
DKR - NO
Man of Steel - NO

1/5 = 20% enjoyable

Marvel
Iron Man - YES
Incredible Hulk - NO
Thor - YES
Iron Man 2 - YES(Problems, but still enjoyable)
Captain America:TFA - YES
Avengers - YES
Iron Man 3 - YES (Again, I know of the problems, but I enjoyed it)
Thor 2 - YES
Cap 2 - YES
GotG - YES
Avengers AoU - I will assume YES

10/11 = 90% enjoyable

In this humble movie patron's opinion, the Marvel of the last decade has been much more enjoyable. I can walk into a Marvel movie and it's usually a fair bet that I will walk out pleased, if not anxious for the next installment of said franchise. All of the DC films aside from TDK I have no desire to see again.

Comics, on the other hand...still belong to Marvel. I admit to being an X-Men collector for the last 25 years, but I have never had much desire to try DC. I have dabbled, and usually lost interest fairly quickly. I took a big dip into the New 52 because, and I assume this was part of the appeal, it was a good jumping on point. The only titles that lasted past issue 4 for me were Batman, Flash, Frankenstein, Swamp Thing, Animal Man, and Wonder Woman. They all trickled off for me too. The artwork was spectacular in all of these books, but I lost interest because I realized that I had no idea what had happened in the last issue. That's how unappealing this world is to me. It's all a matter of opinion, and I understand that, but enough of this DC/Marvel is better garbage. There is clearly a leader in both comics and cinema industries at this point. If you still disagree, look at the numbers. The next logical step in the mourning process needs to be acceptance. Just move on.
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