Marvel's Champions vs DC's Champions...(Week 2: ROUND 2)

Captain America vs Bane -- Captain America. Bane might be a handful for Batman, but with Cap he's not going to know what hit him. Cap's defeated far more powerful opponents than Bane. I call Cap by knock-out.

Swamp Thing vs Thing -- same as Swamp Thing vs Hulk. ST can't do much to hurt Thing, and Thing can splat ST 'til he's blue in the face and never permanently put him down. Draw.

Ms. Marvel vs Green Lantern -- this fight would only last as long as MM let it. Her ability to absorb, negate and transmute energy makes her a major bane to someone like GL, whose powers are all energy based. She's not as skilled as Silver Surfer at energy absorption/transmutation/negation and she can be overloaded if she's not careful, but she'd need only sap enough to weaken GL's ring-attacks, and GL is nowhere near tough enough physically to take her on, so...MM by power-drain followed by clean knock-out.

Heh. I can hear a certain other poster bitching already...

CAPTAIN AMERICA vs BANE: Captain America wins!
Bane hasnt really shown any extraordinary feats of fighting since his debut.

SWAMP THING vs THING: Draw!
I dont how either guys can gain the upperhand against the other.

MS. MARVEL vs GREEN LANTERN: Ms. Marvel wins!
Green Lantern would obviously have trouble against an energy absorber.

Cap isn't just Batman on steroids that's ridiculous,he's a much more efficient fighter his level of skill is beyond Batman's, and he's got loads more combat experience than the entire Batman family combined...

@Fenix

How come Cap's and Bane's strength number is missing?

@SpideyQuad

Read up on Bane then try again;)

I will only comment on Bane VS Cap.
Cap Wins.
Bane had to weaken Batman, by forcing him to over work, to beat him. If Cap. or Batman meet Bane at arena A. Then there is a understanding they they will trade blows. Bane loses that fight.

Also after being the master of 10 (+) different Martial Arts does it matter how skilled these guys are? It comes down to Challenges met and over come, with over all fitness and state of mind.

^^^ I can tell you that Cap beats Batman in skill. :)

Batman is completely human. Cap is enhanced physically and mentally; he's the ultimate human specimen, has an eidetic memory and his thought processes also operate at peak human efficiency, enabling him to plan fights dozens of moves ahead and manipulate an opponent into leaving themselves open for attack. His memory and thought processes also allow him to to instantly memorize an opponent's fighting style and recall it perfectly later, which in turn enables him to predict their next move before they even make it.

Batman's highly skilled, but being completely unenhanced, he will never be as fast, strong, agile or strategically & tactically capable as Cap is.

Check mate.

@unknownfacts
I put them both at enhanced strength, because currently Bane is off of Venom. And can lift around 1200 lbs same as Cap...

@relentless
Yes, I can say that Cap would beat Batman in pure skill. Cap has gone head to head with and even defeated people who's skill are roughly equal to Batman...Daredevil is a fine example...And Cap can take out entire armies of well trained and well armed soldier by himself, while Batman usually struggles against 6 or 7 thugs.

and by your logic, if bane is on the same level as cap and death stroke, and batman has beaten bane one on one abc logic is that batman can beat the captain

@relentless -- no offense, but the "Batman wins with prep" thing is a poor argument, because it rests precariously on the fractured logic that his opponent isn't going to take that same time to prep, as well. What, Batman is the only character in comic books to come up with a fight plan before going into action? And with Cap's peak thought processes and ability to formulate numerous strategies in the blink of an eye, he's a whoooooooooooooole lot better at prep than Bats could ever be.

I am a Batman fan. But the plain truth is that Batman is completely human, and is not enhanced in any way. Cap, however, IS enhanced to the peak of human ability. As such, Batman will never be as strong, fast or agile as Cap, his reaction time will never be as great, his reflexes and reaction time will never be as acute, and his unenhanced mind will never be as strategically and tactically proficient as Cap's. Batman is inferior to Cap in every conceivable way, short of maybe business acumen, but since when did Cap ever care about making money?

Batman's cool and all, but c'mon. He'd lose this fight ten times out of ten.

Love how people point out how Captain America has gone up against Batman like opponents yet fail to mention the same can be said about Batman.Bats gone up against Deathstroke who brain power is near super computer level and body is enhance,they have both beaten each other so the superior in every way bit,that he's a human crap...yeah not buying it.Please stop stating your opinions as a fact.

Moral of the story, try to take all the fighters abilities into account when stating your opinions,becuase this whole whom ever possesses more strength bit is getting old people.

I think you guys that are harping on the "steroid" thing should show a little more respect for the character. He's not on steroids. The serum that altered CA was a one time thing.

Let's get real for a minute. If someone actually was trying to be Batman, you think he would be steroid free? One of the main points about taking PED's is how it allows your body to bounce back quicker than normal. It's not so much strength gain as it is the recuperative time that is reduced. A normal taking a beating day in and day out what almost have to rely on PED's otherwise he would be worn down, or force to take time off.

Like I said, why don't you read up on the character instead of hating on him. If you enjoy Batman you probably would like Capt. America just as much. By being childish and only liking one brand you are only hurting yourself and denying yourself the enjoyment.

You guys take a Batman to the heart and personal. Most of us regulars have stated how much we enjoy Batman ourselves, but you allow your admiration to affect the logical outcome of these fights. Something that is cautioned against from the start and is not the point here. Now if you want to have it popularity contest, that's fine, but call it that and people will vote appropriately. All you're doing in this forum is ruining it for those of us who do care. That's childish and selfish. Your disrespect demeans the whole website.

Cap isn't superhuman. He's ultimate human, meaning that he is, among other things, as strong, fast and agile as a human being can be without being considered superhuman. Plainly put, anything any human character can do, Cap can do better. He's one of the few characters in comics considered to be the perfect human physical specimen.

Batman is completely human, unenhanced. He's as strong, fast and agile as a man of his age, height, weight and build can be. There are literally hundreds of comics characters who can say the same. He's in peak conditioning as it pertains to his own body; Cap is the peak of conditioning of the entire human race. If he were a decimal point faster, stronger or more agile, of if his thought processes and synaptic responses were a blink quicker, he'd be superhuman.

Which means -- once again -- that Batman is his inferior in every way. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this that it must be explained seemingly every other day here.

Anyway I'm done arguing this useless point.I see how most of these contender can beat the other but most only see the brand name on these characters.I truly hope one day you guys wake up and realize how pointless a debate is if all you do is shoot down idea's before truly exploring the possiblities until then I have nothing more to say on the matter peace.

Mental and Physical efficiency, Moral Compass, and Trust= Captain America
Polygraphic Genius, Intimidation, Will Power, Resources= Batman
Tacticians, Fighting Training, Respect, Resourcefulness= Tie

Guys Ive always seen Batman vs Captian America as a Tie because Batman has defeated enemies better than Cap in individual stats and all around. The same can be said for Cap beating Batman so it really comes down to who is writing and why its happening.

^lol^

@Hush -- you give the edge to Bats when it comes to intimidation and will power. But...

Cap's a soldier. He doesn't get intimidated. I know this very well; it's one of the primary things they hammer into your head in basic training. Fear = death, so you're trained to be fearless. I'm former infantry and a combat vet; I know this for a fact. Besides, Cap has gone mano-a-mano against The Hulk, Spider-Man, Iron Man, Dr. Doom, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. A dude in a cape armed with a boomerang and a grabbling gun isn't going to scare him any more than Woody Allen armed with a feather duster and a bottle of Lysol.

And once again, it's being ignored that Cap's brain processes information far more efficiently and enables him to plan and strategize multiple scenarios at the drop of a hat. Bats needs time to do these things; Cap does them without trying in the blink of an eye.

But anyway, yeah, even I'm tired of always having this conversation any time the question of Batman vs Captain America comes up. A fan can rationalize it a hundred different ways for Batman to win, but in doing so they're ignoring what makes Batman Batman in the first place -- that he is human, that he is imperfect, that he is flawed, that he is fallible. Why is it so easy to believe that Bane -- a mid-level villain at best -- could completely destroy Batman, but Cap, who is also Bane's superior, couldn't?

The simple fact is that be it physically, as a fighter, tactically/strategically or in regards to willpower and fighting spirit, Cap is the clear superior in every way that matters when it comes to a fight. Ignoring that doesn't make it untrue.

But, I'm done with this conversation. Nobody's going to change anyone else's mind, so I'll just have to force myself to rest comfortably knowing I'm actually right. :D

How did Captain America being on steroids turn to a Batman vs Captain America debate?We really need to stay on track next time.