Why I Think DC Needs To Step Up Their Game If They Want To Be As Successful As Marvel

Why I Think DC Needs To Step Up Their Game If They Want To Be As Successful As Marvel

My opinion on why Marvel is more popualar with the general public than DC

Editorial Opinion
By Armageddon26 - Jul 27, 2011 07:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic


Everything below is my opinion, if you don't agree with it don't comment, and no this is not a Marvel vs. DC

Yes, almost every kid knows who Batman and Superman are, but what about Green Arrow, or even the Flash. Compared to Marvel, DC just isn't as popular with the up and coming generations and that could hurt them drastically in the future.

TOYS and CLOTHES

Marvel has 5 toy lines out right now, in a 100 mile radius of where I live all I see are Green Lantern toys (and lots of them). Clothing lines Marvel have dozens of shirts compared to DC's maybe 10 and the 5 Green Lantern shirts. Marvel items are also now at the Disney Store, which brings in another group of people.

TELEVISION

Lets go through a list of currently running(includes reruns) and upcoming shows from both Marvel and DC

Marvel:

Reruns:

Wolverine and the X-Men
X-Men
X-Men Evolution
The Incredible Hulk
Fantastic Four
Iron Man
Silver Surfer
Men In Black: The Series
Avengers: UTS
Spider-Man
Spider-Man Unlimited
Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends


Currently Airing:

Iron Man: Armored Adventures
The Super Hero Squad Show
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes
Wolverine Anime
Iron Man Anime


Upcoming:

Ultimate Spider-Man
X-Men Anime
Blade Anime
The Incredible Hulk
AKA Jessica Jones
Powers


Announced:

Hulk and The Agents of S.M.A.S.H.
Cloak and Dagger
Mockingbird


iTunes:

Astonishing X-Men: Gifted
Black Panther: Who is the Black Panther?
Iron Man: Extremis
Spider-Woman: Agent of S.W.O.R.D.
Thor and Loki: Blood Brothers


DC:

Reruns:

Smallville
Batman Beyond
The Batman
Krypto The Superdog
Batman (60's)


Currently Airing:

Batman: The Brave and The Bold
Young Justice


Upcoming:

Green Lantern: The Animated Series


Announced:

Blue Beetle
Raven
The Sandman
Unnamed Batman Series


My point here is Marvel tends to have more shows on different channels from G4, to Disney XD, to Nicktoons, to Cartoon Network. While DC has a lot less shows on different channels such as Hub, Cartoon Network, and Boomerang, and the majority of their shows still are about or star Batman and Superman related characters (i.e. Robin and Superboy are the main in Young Justice and Batman and Superman still appear in almost half the episodes). In my opinion DC should have at least have one more current show playing starring maybe Flash, or someone else major and unused before (in a self-titled show).



MOVIES (movies from 2004 and up, animated ones included) :

Marvel:

The Punisher
Spider-Man 2
Blade: Trinity
Elektra
Man-Thing
Fantastic Four
X-Men: The Last Stand
Ghost Rider
Spider-Man 3
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
Punisher: War Zone
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
Iron Man 2
Thor
X-Men: First Class
Captain America: The First Avenger
Kick-Ass
Ultimate Avengers
Ultimate Avengers 2
The Invincible Iron Man
Doctor Strange: The Sorcerer Supreme
Next Avengers: Heroes of Tomorrow
Hulk Vs
Planet Hulk
Thor: Tales of Asgard


Upcoming:

Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance (2012)
The Amazing Spider-Man (2012)'
The Avengers (2012)
Men In Black 3 (2012)
The Wolverine (2012?)
Iron Man 3 (2013)
Thor 2 (2013)
Deadpool (????)
Ant Man (????)

DC:

Catwoman
Batman Begins
Superman Returns
The Dark Knight
Watchmen
Jonah Hex
Green Lantern
A History of Violence
Constantine
V for Vendetta
The Fountain
Stardust
The Losers
Superman: Doomsday
Justice League: The New Frontier
Batman: Gotham Knight
Wonder Woman
Tales of the Black Freighter
Green Lantern: First Flight
Superman/Batman: Public Enemies
Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths
Batman: Under the Red Hood
Superman/Batman: Apocalypse
All-Star Superman
Green Lantern: Emerald Knights

Upcoming:

Batman: Year One (2011)
The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Justice League: Doom (2012)
The Dark Knight Returns (2012?)
The Man of Steel (2013)

Marvel has had 27 films and DC has had 25, but compared as live-action to animated Marvel has only had 8 animated films leaving them with 19 live-action films while DC has had 12 animated films and 13 live-action films. Now just for fun lets see how many of DC's (both released and upcoming films from 2004 and up) star Batman and Superman= 14 films.

In coclusion I feel that DC should do better to release less Batman and Superman films and instead release different characters, like Marvel has with X-Men, Fantastic Four, 4 different Avengers films with a total of 7 different heroes, Blade, Ghost Rider, etc.

COMICS:

Now comics is almost a different matter all together, its hard to compare the comics, both have a lot of major-crossover events like the currents Flashpoint and Fear Itself, but just yesterday Marvel released a statement saying that for 50 ripped off covers of first edition Flaspoint covers they will give comic book retailers a limited (underwhelming) Fear Itself #6 variant cover and a discount on all Marvel comics purchases in the future. Now it could be just me or does it sound like Marvel is saying 50 DC comics are only worth one Marvel comic? And of course DC is doing the whole comics reboot....again.

For the rest of this section I will have a poll asking who you think puts out the better Marvel or DC.



Now in my opinion DC needs to stay away from Batman and Superman a little more and release their other characters and properties if they want to beat Marvel like they used to, they need to release more merchandising if they want a younger fan base for the future, and they need to stop rebooting their comics once and for all.

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JackDexx
JackDexx - 7/27/2011, 7:40 AM
plus Marvel is good... DC could try that.
Armageddon26
Armageddon26 - 7/27/2011, 7:42 AM
Well I didnt want to start a Marvel vs. DC war, but I agree
JackDexx
JackDexx - 7/27/2011, 7:43 AM
the battle is on...
JackDexx
JackDexx - 7/27/2011, 7:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSkb0kDacjs
epic battle music
Armageddon26
Armageddon26 - 7/27/2011, 7:48 AM
Why isn't this in editorials section, and where is the teaser image? CBM is moving really slow today
Armageddon26
Armageddon26 - 7/27/2011, 7:49 AM
There we go :D
JackDexx
JackDexx - 7/27/2011, 7:54 AM
get it on main to start riot.
95
95 - 7/27/2011, 8:10 AM
The picture below the heading shows exactly why Marvel is doing better than DC. It's a damn shame because DC has arguably some of the most iconic characters and storylines. Marvel is an ever expanding universe. DC is a closed universe. One that thinks it perfect the way it is. DC has shown us the same shit [Batman & Superman] for years now, they need to bring their other characters to life. They are like [frick]ing old people. @Armageddon26 Good write up. Beware of Marvel/DC bigot storm.
Armageddon26
Armageddon26 - 7/27/2011, 8:19 AM
@Despero, Thats why I picked that image up top, and thanks :D

I don't worry about the storm, I have a bomb shelter ;P
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 7/27/2011, 8:41 AM
@NathanDrake - "plus Marvel is good... DC could try that." That's Frickin HILARIOUS!!! But it also happens to be true.

I'm a neutral fanboy, but Batman and Superman are my favorite heroes by far. Its like DC/WB is worried most about being profitable, so they don't take risks with their lower tier characters and then get no exposure. Instead we get Batman and Supes over and over again. And when they finally tried Green Lantern, everyone and their mother at WB stuck their hand in instead of letting Martin Cambell do his thing because they were too scared to risk and it came out horrible.

Marvel know that if the product is good, then it will be profitable. Also, Marvel sold the movie right to Sony and Fox and let them assume some of the risk with other characters whereas WB assumes the risk for the whole of DC. Sony took a risk on Spiderman, Marvel profited... Fox took the risk on X-men, Marvel profited. Whether those movies were successful or not it was a ton of exposure for Marvel's characters. Then Marvel sells more comics, get more cartoons, etc...

WB not even DC, wants all control because they assume all the risk because they want all the money... So you get comics and movies basically dictated by businessmen and shareholders instead being controlled by creators, artist and storytellers. Its about what the higher-ups think will sell, not what is good...
ThreeBigTacos
ThreeBigTacos - 7/27/2011, 10:18 AM
I love this article. Marvel for life!
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 7/27/2011, 10:52 AM
@Intruder - DC is better at animation because Batman and Superman are the best heroes around... and DC only does Batman and Superman animated films... lol

But even on television, the Bruce Timm cartoons(Batman, Superman, JL, JLU, BatBeyond) blows anything marvel did out of the water... The only one that was close was Fox's X-Men cartoon in the early 90's
Supes17
Supes17 - 7/27/2011, 11:47 AM
ENOUGH With the MARVEL vs DC. BS!!!
Dont people have better things to write about?
Seriously, I can't even log in nowadays without running into a marvel/DC article

Its [frick]ing annoying! DC fans shitting on marvel and Marvel doing the same.

It's actually doing more harm than good for the Comic Book community!
All it does is divide fans, under the false illusion that they HAVE to side with one company...

Articles like this encourage this bullshit....
Both companies have strengths and weaknesses.
Why do we have to keep comparing two companies who's goals are to contfibute to the comic book industry?
Supes17
Supes17 - 7/27/2011, 11:51 AM
you might say that this isnt a marvel vs DC article, but just comparing them like that will start another debate.
It's not DC's Fault, Warner Bros. owns them, so if DC hasn't had as much success as Marvel, it's because of them
Marvel joined Disney, and Disney gives them freedom.
DC should ask for more freedom from Warner Bros
Supes17
Supes17 - 7/27/2011, 11:51 AM
you might say that this isnt a marvel vs DC article, but just comparing them like that will start another debate.
It's not DC's Fault, Warner Bros. owns them, so if DC hasn't had as much success as Marvel, it's because of them
Marvel joined Disney, and Disney gives them freedom.
DC should ask for more freedom from Warner Bros
LP4
LP4 - 7/27/2011, 12:50 PM
This is lame.

@Armageddon26- You claim this isn't meant to be a DC/Marvel war type of article yet you put up a picture right under the headline that clearly gives the Marvel fans a way to attack DC fans. And what type of comments do we get here?

Nothing but haterism against DC.
LP4
LP4 - 7/27/2011, 12:52 PM
@Superman17- Agreed dude. These comicbook wars have to stop eventually.

I'm a proud DC-fan and I understand the problems DC is having. We don't need an article like this to encourage Marvel-fans into starting a flame-war against DC and its fanbase.
Minotauro
Minotauro - 7/27/2011, 1:12 PM
@Armageddon - Either you're wanting attention, or you're just another "marvel tool". Intruder and Marvel72 are clear examples of this.

DC has been doing well for the past decade in both animation and movies. Yet most of the marvel fanboys on this site can't seem to see the truth in front of their face. Marvel has made more bad films than good ones. While DC has made less bads films than marvel. And this is an objective opinion. I'll run through this again.

Good films by marvel
Spiderman 1 & 2
Ironman
Blade 1 & 2
Thor
Captain America
Kick Ass

Good films by DC
Superman 1 & 2
Batman 89 & 92
Batman Begins
History of Violence
V for Vendetta
Watcmen
Dark Knight
Dark Knight Rises

Year by year
2000: X-men > No DC films that year
2001: In Hell >No Marvel films that year
2002: Spiderman > No DC films that year
2003: Daredevil/X2/Hulk > League of Gentlemen
2004: Spiderman 2/Punisher > No DC Films that year
2005: Batman Begins/History of Violence > Fantastic Four
2006: V for Vendetta/Superman Returns > X3
2007: Spiderman 3/FF:SS/Ghost Rider > No DC films that year
2008: TDK > Ironman/Punisher Warzone/Hulk
2009: Watcmen > Wolverine Origins
2010: Ironman 2/Kickass > Johnah Hex(why this film is made is beyond anbody)
2011: Thor/XMFC/Cap > GL

So by this the past two years Marvel is only up a little. Seems like Marvel ain't winning at anything. Sorry marvel fanboys but these are the facts.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 7/27/2011, 1:13 PM
@Superman17 - So... instead of hating each other... we should hate WB!!!
Minotauro
Minotauro - 7/27/2011, 1:16 PM
The "year by year" chart.

For every year no film came out for each organization is automatcally no victory for each company that year.

@Intruder - Natalie won her oscar in another film. Try to reach for something else.
Minotauro
Minotauro - 7/27/2011, 1:18 PM
2005: Batman Begins/History of Violence/Constantine > Fanstasic four/Elektra. *edit button*
Stumblin
Stumblin - 7/27/2011, 1:57 PM
Minotauro, how are those facts? Those are just opinions, talk numbers buddy otherwise you don't have shit.

I for one hated every Superman movie that ever came out, also, how the hell do you have Dark Knight Rises in the "good: category when the movie hasn't even been released yet?

"these are the facts" my ass.

I enjoy both DC and Marvel by the way, I just felt the need to call you out on your bullshit.
VanCityKid
VanCityKid - 7/27/2011, 2:15 PM
Minotauro break that down to each companies top characters:

Marvel:
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk
Captain America
X-Men
Spiderman

DC:
Superman
Batman
Green Lantern
Watchmen
Instead my making crap like Jonah Hex, League of Extraodinary Gentlemen, The Losers DC could have made a Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow and Captain Marvel films by now.
Mrmoviemaker09
Mrmoviemaker09 - 7/27/2011, 2:50 PM
Even though superman is my favorite super hero of all time it pains me to say this but superman can't carry DC by himself whenever I watch old marvel cartoons its like watching an off shoot of the avengers because there always other marvel characters showing up I.e I could be watch spiderman and see the punisher or Iron man and see the hulk ect. But when I watch superman I see batman and when I watch batman I see superman and when I watch Justice leage I see the both of them and what I think DC is hoping for is that marvel over uses their charagter's and people get fed up with it but untill that happens DC will continue to get their asses handed to them
Mrmoviemaker09
Mrmoviemaker09 - 7/27/2011, 2:50 PM
Even though superman is my favorite super hero of all time it pains me to say this but superman can't carry DC by himself whenever I watch old marvel cartoons its like watching an off shoot of the avengers because there always other marvel characters showing up I.e I could be watch spiderman and see the punisher or Iron man and see the hulk ect. But when I watch superman I see batman and when I watch batman I see superman and when I watch Justice leage I see the both of them and what I think DC is hoping for is that marvel over uses their charagter's and people get fed up with it but untill that happens DC will continue to get their asses handed to them
marvel72
marvel72 - 7/27/2011, 3:27 PM
@ Minotauro

i'm a "marvel tool" well you're a nolan butt plug.dc fans have got to admit that the only thing that you are superior to marvel is animation fact.

what are you gonna tell that nolans batman's are the most sucessful cbm ever because one of them just scrapped past the billion mark?

the first two spider-man films have out grossed the first two nolan batmans.

spider-man & spider-man 2 $1,605,474,892

batman begins & the dark knight $1,373,775,608

if you add spider-man 3 $890,871,626 to the first two total it comes to an "amazing" $2,496,346,518.that means the dark knight rises would have to make over $1,123,431,110.

i don't think,so spidey wins for marvel.i suppose you're gonna comeback with they're better written you're right they are but its all about the almighty dollar.
marvel72
marvel72 - 7/27/2011, 4:01 PM
@ intruder

i think its the age old "heath ledger died is how he got the oscar" arguement.
Supes17
Supes17 - 7/27/2011, 4:13 PM
Dude Im a DC fan but I also love Marvel. I dont waste my time comparing the two.
DC comics has some gay ass characters but hey so does marvel

Enough with the comparison.
@Marvel72, you are obviously biased, but I respect the fact that you are willing ti admit that Nolan films are better. So I guess you're one of the few Marvel fans that arent blind to anything other companies have to offer

Everyone has their own opinion, I love the spidey films, Im rooting for the Avengers AND TDKR, we all should just step back and see the picture as a whole. These comoanies are just contributing to the comic book industry we all know and love.
Im proud to say that Im not tied down to a single company.

Yes I love Marvel, but I defend DC against the haters any day of the week
Supes17
Supes17 - 7/27/2011, 4:15 PM
And you're talking about the Nolan films as a franchise. Im pretty sure he was talking about the film alone being the most successful CBM, which it is....

Im nit a Nolan butt-plug, but we all have to admut that he's the only thing Warner Bros has done right for DC comics
marvel72
marvel72 - 7/27/2011, 4:28 PM
@ superman17

i do think the nolan films are well written,but i do prefer spider-man 2 over batman begins & the dark knight.

mintauro will be saying that nolan's trilogy will be the greatest trilogy without even seeing the dark knight rises.

i think they're good but not as great as some would like to think,i suppose it all comes down to personal taste.
Supes17
Supes17 - 7/27/2011, 5:01 PM
@Teabag: I love DC;) lol
This lame article needs some boobies

@Marvel72: Spidey 2 is my favorite Marvel film, whereas BB and TDK are tied for DC. Its hard not to pick TDK for DC bc WB has done nothing but shit in the live action department for the last 20 years lmao
ellispart3
ellispart3 - 7/27/2011, 6:47 PM
Im all for competition. if you're a marvel fanboy..sound off like you got a pair. if you're a dc diehard then let everyone know who runs the show. it drives creativity, it helps keep ideas fresh and moving forward.
what i don't like is when people hope movies bomb based on their publisher. lets face it, the comic fans like us can decipher between the marvel flicks and dc flicks..but the people who are gonna keep the genre alive are the average movie goers. they just see capes and super powers. if superman bombs, they arent gonna care about the next xmen flick. yes there have been bombs in the past, but it's not gonna take too many more before people just give up on the films and we are left with fan films and animated films (which dc has kicked alot of ass with).
long story short, i dig comic books..marvel, dc, image, idw, dark horse, whatever..a good story is a good story. as far as the movies go, marvel has impressed me with the sprawling continuity it's built with its movies. dc seems to take the nolan road and make it more 'realistic' which may work for them. DC needs to do what works for them. Batman can rock the realism, but i dont know about superman..the word of the day in metropolis should be 'EPIC'. Green Lantern missed that day at school i guess (i was looking for a space adventure with that film..too much Earth bound filler).
Minotauro
Minotauro - 7/27/2011, 7:12 PM
@Teabag - I was unaware that money had anything to do with the success of a film in my list. In fact, when does money mean any movie has success on that alone. Reviews are what matter the most. GL, and Jonah Hex don't have those sure, but the rest from 05 - 09 are pretty good.

@Intruder - Did I mention christian bale anywhere in my comment. [frick]ing dipshit.

@Marvel72 - You've had your unpopular opinions before about DC. But the almight dollar shouldn't be put up on a pedistol for success in a CBM. It's helps, but should'nt.

JackDexx
JackDexx - 7/27/2011, 11:54 PM
i like turtles
JackDexx
JackDexx - 7/28/2011, 12:03 AM
nah, but seriously
DC is older. way back when the idea of an indestructible man fighting off the baddies would be way more appealing then a small kid from queens in a full body suit, but as time has progressed so has our taste. we like an every man with problems, because it makes for better story telling. yes i'm openly saying marvel does a better job at story telling attack me. DC laid the ground work for superhero and should be commended for it, but marvel does a better job with it in the modern day. as for animation DC obviously wins that. DC animations capture something that there movies don't....what is it? being good right. TDK is not all it's hyped up to be. when i walked out of the theater i was really surprised to see the comic book community liking it. Marvel does better with movies. not to say it doesn't fail from time to time. i mean just look at Elektra... but at least we didn't make Green Lantern.
JackDexx
JackDexx - 7/28/2011, 1:01 AM
.... damn it tea i was trying to be serious... and why is there an ad for black ops on that last pic.
marvel72
marvel72 - 7/28/2011, 4:58 AM
@ Minotauro

do you think a film studio gives a shit about how well written a film is,of course not its all about money i.e pirates 4,transformers 2 & 3.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 7/28/2011, 5:19 AM
@teabag - u are the man!

@mino - critical acclaim doesn't equal success. At the same time critical damnation does not mean failure... Transformers is the perfect example of that. Really, I gotta say, that makes the most sense to me too. Whether a movie is good or bad is just ur opinion, and opinions are like butt-holes, everyones got one and no 2 are exactly alike. NO MOVIE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO PLEASE EVERYONE. So success is judged by how many people are willing to by tickets to see the film in relation to the size of its budget.

@marvel72 - now there's no need for any transformers bashing on here... lol... let's keep this civilized...
djohnpi
djohnpi - 7/28/2011, 5:26 AM
Well here is my take on the whole thing I am a marvel guy but i like DC and put the BS aside and make a good damm movie. TDK is the bomb that’s TRUTH RUTH! The question is how long that can last, especially with Marvel doing different characters. I liked GL just sorry they jacked it up this could have been the start of good things for DC. Right now all DC has is BATS and Superman and no JLA. Now even Supes is delayed. DC has to do a tie in sooner or later just because Marvel is doing it and having great success. Captain America is a very good movie the teaser at the end blew us all away. When the AVENGERS hit next year DC better have a plan and it better involve Superman fighting somebody to save something. Here is a thought; WB let somebody do a DC movie who knows what the hell they are doing.
Armageddon26
Armageddon26 - 7/28/2011, 8:28 AM
Ahh good ol' @Teabag saving the day
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