JUSTICE LEAGUE Director Tells Fans Not To Lose Hope After "Snyder Cut" Labelled A "Pipe Dream" By Insiders

@Reeds2Much - Classic episode.

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@soberchimera -

@jondavis0323 - If WB had a finished or damn close cut, they would release it. Everyone involved with both the original production and subsequent reworking is gone: Zack Snyder, Kevin Tsujihara, Geogf Johns, Jon Berg, etc. It's no skin off Walter Hamada's back if people are like "WB made the wrong call!" and it is wasting money to have a finished cut sit on a shelf.

On the other hand, if it is NOT finished, it makes 100% sense WB would not want to release it either as a Workprint assembly cut nor spend the millions, possibly hundreds of millions, to finish its SFX. The timeline for when Snyder left to when the movie was supposed to be out was 5-6 months, which is an insane lead time to have a finished cut.

@GarthRanzz -
Literally every source says that the film isn't finished and doesn't exist in any releasable form. No official source has said otherwise and pretty much every bit of "evidence" I have seen from Snyder fans otherwise has been built around assumptions, generalisations, stretching what the sources actually say into something they don't (*Cough* Jason Momoa's statements *cough*) and an all around lack of understanding of the film industry.

We know for a fact that it would cost millions of dollars to complete the film, we know for a fact that Justice League is one of the most expensive movies of all time and it BOMBED at the box office, and anyone with any common sense can see that the Snyder Cut is a pipe dream at this point.

"Well scoring a movie happens late in production."

No, that's not always the case. Many composers will begin making the score before certain scenes are even shot. Often times they'll compose it as the film is being made. That's a very generalised and oversimplified statement. The rough cut that Snyder made never made it through post-production. Junkie XL finishing the score doesn't mean anything.

"Everyone has their insiders, but there is zero definitive answers."

Except the Snyder cult has repeatedly failed to substantiate a fully finished movie or present any sources of their own, and all of the insiders are saying the same damn thing.

@GarthRanzz -
Zack Snyder making a single off-handed comment one time while signing posters at a fan convention does not disprove literally every other source on the matter. Particularly when he has since contradicted himself on his Vero account about how nearly finished it is and probably wasn't aware he was on camera.

It's funny how the most biased crew member (Snyder himself) is the only one who has said that it's nearly done, which happened under these circumstances, and he has since changed his story. It's almost as if Zack Snyder... has a vested interest... in promoting the Snyder Cut.

Nah, that would be crazy. It's everyone else (crew members, producers, WB, the former head of DC Entertainment, the composer, other filmmakers who have looked into what state it is in, Variety, THR, etc etc) who is obviously wrong, despite having literally no reason to lie.

@GarthRanzz -
Colour me crazy, but think an insider-backed news article from Variety (on top of several confirmations from crew members, producers, the studio, ETC) easily trumps an unreferenced editorial from Forbes. What you linked isn't a news article, it's a misguided opinion piece.

@MitchEl98 -
Not at all. I'm doing it in favour of every single official source, including the composer. They have all said the same thing. Even your buddy Zack Snyder has contradicted himself since then. And the only time he ever said it was done was when he was approached by a fan while signing posters at a convention (probably not even aware he was being filmed), yet you all act like he made some big announcement or something.

It's funny how Zack Snyder (the most biased party involved) is the only one who can't keep his story straight, and the only whose claims are inconsistent with everyone else's. You Snyder fanatics literally have nothing as far as a confirmation goes. No one has ever said anything about a fully finished (or even a 90% finished) movie. Completing it would be expensive, releasing it at all would cost money, and Justice League was an expensive bomb. This "Snyder Cut" is a fairy tale to anyone who remotely understands the film industry.

I also love how you tried to use Jay Olivo as your big example when he's one of the people who confirmed that the Snyder Cut is just an unfinished rough cut:

"He would later specify that the cut he’s referring to still requires finishing- finishing the studio is reluctant to do. He clarified that while discussing what he’d like from the studio if they remain unwilling to finish and release it:

JAY OLIVA: “If the studio does not want to finish up the movie then to release the WIP [Work In Progress] cut that was shown to execs before Whedon was put in charge.”

Elaborating further on how the Release The Snyder Cut Movement is really a movement to have that WIP cut released:

JAY OLIVA: “That’s what the whole movement is about. It’s not about finishing the film it’s about showing the fans of Zack’s universe established in MoS and BvS the more accurate representation of where the story was supposed to go."

He said the exact same thing Danny Elfman did. Get your head out of the sand.

https://revengeofthefans.com/2018/07/05/rtf-exclusive-setting-the-record-straight-about-the-snyder-cut-with-jay-oliva/

@MitchEl98 -
"not actual people who have worked throughout the entirety of the film"

Who the hell are these people? Ray Fisher didn't say anything about it being done. Jason Momoa didn't say anything about it being done. Gal Gadot didn't say anything about it being done. Ben Affleck didn't say anything about it being done. Junkie XL didn't say anything about the film being done. So where are these magical sources?

No, literally every source has said the same thing, including people who have worked on the movie.

Even Zack Snyder himself has admitted that the damn thing isn't finished:
https://vero.co/zacksnyder/g-LQkQQw2CctCGTPn7PjJxcZ

Even when adjusted for inflation, Justice League is literally one of the most expensive movies of all time...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_films

...And it BOMBED at the box office.

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-justice-league-was-a-box-office-flop-2017-11

No studio is wasting more money than they already have to complete and release an unfinished rough cut that was never intended for public viewing.

https://ew.com/movies/2019/08/04/kevin-smith-says-justice-league-zack-snyder-cut-is-real-but-its-not-what-you-think/

https://revengeofthefans.com/2018/07/05/rtf-exclusive-setting-the-record-straight-about-the-snyder-cut-with-jay-oliva/

https://screenrant.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-cut-exists-confirmed/

https://comicbook.com/dc/amp/2019/11/18/release-snyder-cut-justice-league-former-dc-entertainment-president-explains-what-zack-snyder-needs/

"He would later specify that the cut he’s referring to still requires finishing- finishing the studio is reluctant to do. He clarified that while discussing what he’d like from the studio if they remain unwilling to finish and release it:

JAY OLIVA: “If the studio does not want to finish up the movie then to release the WIP [Work In Progress] cut that was shown to execs before Whedon was put in charge.”

Elaborating further on how the Release The Snyder Cut Movement is really a movement to have that WIP cut released:

JAY OLIVA: “That’s what the whole movement is about. It’s not about finishing the film it’s about showing the fans of Zack’s universe established in MoS and BvS the more accurate representation of where the story was supposed to go."

From Kevin Smith: "There is a Snyder cut. For sure. That’s not a mythical beast. It exists. Now, it’s not a finished movie by any stretch of the imagination. The ‘Snyder Cut’ that, again I haven’t seen, but the one I’ve heard everyone speak of was never a finished film. It was a movie that people in production could watch and fill in the blanks. It was certainly not meant for mass consumption."

One of the crew members working on the film even expressed his exasperation to the Wall Street Journal, stating "Who are these people who won’t stop talking about the magical Snyder cut that doesn’t exist?"

Diane Nelson, the former head of DC and producer of Justice League, also stated that there's no Snyder Cut: "If Zack feels he had the time and resources to finish a cut to his satisfaction and he would like fans to see it, nothing would make me happier for him." (Resources = Money, which WB isn't going to shell out over an already-expensive flop)

WB, the former head of DC Entertainment, the composer, crew members, producers, and everyone else has all said the exact same thing. So far, you have provided nothing substantive that says otherwise except an off-handed comment from a fan convention. Maybe you should come back to reality and start listening to reason.

When you spend years loudly blowing up twitter, spamming comment sections, harassing crew members and executives, and refusing to listen to reason over a silly pipe dream, people are going to get sick of it.

"I said it's more far along than people had intially been saying, there's little work to be done to complete it."

Except it's not, and you have no [frick]ing sources to back up that it is. Every source has the same story. It is an unfinished rough cut, completing the Snyder Cut would cost millions and expecting them to waste more money on this movie than they already have is objectively laughable.

"Amazing how we went from 'There's no cut at all!" to this lmao."

The point all along has that the Snyder Cut doesn't exist in any releasable presentable form. It's a rough cut with unfinished effects, green screen, unfinished editing, and incomplete sound design and effects. That's far from being a completed movie. Feel free to come back to reality any time.