ALCON Say Harrison Ford NOT Attached To New BLADE RUNNER Movie

ALCON Say Harrison Ford NOT Attached To New BLADE RUNNER Movie

Don't get your hopes up Deckard fans. Although it's still not outside the realm of possibility, it doesn't look likely that Ford will be hunting Replicants in Ridley Scott's new Blade Runner flick...

By MarkCassidy - Feb 06, 2012 05:02 PM EST
Filed Under: Sci-Fi
Source: Deadline

Alcon Entertainment, the producer/financier teaming with director Ridley Scott to bring us a Blade Runner spin-off, have adamantly denied that the original movie's star Harrison Ford has any connection at all to the new movie..



From Deadline..

“It is absolutely patently false that there has been any discussion about Harrison Ford being in Blade Runner,” Kosove told me. “To be clear, what we are trying to do with ridley now is go through the painstaking process of trying to break the back of the story, figure out the direction we’re going to take the movie and find a writer to work on it. The casting of the movie could not be further from our minds at this moment.”


Apparently Alcon head honcho Andrew Kosove contacted the site saying he "couldn't sit by as the unsubstantiated report spread like wildfire all over the world". The original story (reported by Twitchfilm) claimed that Ford was in early negotiations to reprise the role of Rick Deckard in, what was assumed to be based on this evidence, a sequel to the Sci-fi classic. But now, according to Kosove, this new movie will be more in the vein of Scott's Prometheus, in other words only loosely connected to the original, or set in the same universe. But is there ANY chance Ford could be back?

“It’s like asking if we’re going to make the sky red or blue, there has been no discussion about it. What Ridley does in Prometheus is a good template for what we’re trying to do. He created something that has some association to the original Alien, but lives on its own as a standalone movie.” Asked point blank if Ford could resurface, Kosove said: “In advance of knowing what we’re going to do, I supposed you could say yes, he could. But I think it is quite unlikely.”


Ah well, it would have been nice for ol Deckard to make a cameo at least. But it still MAY happen I guess, just not based on this evidence.









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SoItGoes
SoItGoes - 2/6/2012, 5:51 PM
You are quick, I was just about to post this.
marvel72
marvel72 - 2/6/2012, 6:01 PM
sign russell crowe his done a few films with ridley scott & i wouldn't mind seeing him in abit of sci-fi.
jazzyjules63
jazzyjules63 - 2/6/2012, 6:22 PM
Deckard's a replicant. They don't age. How Ford could be involved is beyond me. Except if he played the human that the Deckard model was based on...
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/6/2012, 6:30 PM
He was only a replicant from a certain point of view, there are many ways they could work the story around him NOT being one if they liked. It all comes down to Gaff leaving the Unicorn at the end, and him dreaming of a unicorn, along with the other cop mentioning an extra replicant that was unaccounted for. Obviously that was not him either way, as the others would have simply told him what the hell was going on.
Ceejay
Ceejay - 2/6/2012, 6:47 PM
Except fo the fact that he IS a replicant and that was solidified when Ridley Scott himself explained so in the Blade Runner documentary on the BluRay.

This movie doesn't need a sequel or a prequels, it was a great adaptation from a great book and Hollywood needs to learn to write new material instead or trying to turn everything into a franchise!
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/6/2012, 6:56 PM
No facts, Scott saying so or not. He directed the movie yes, he ALSO directed the theatrical version in which he was most definitely not a replicant. He did not write the story on which it was based = not a replicant, nor did he write the original screenplay = Hampton Fancher maintains he is not a replicant. Harrison Ford = Not a replicant. Legions of fans feel he is NOT a replicant. So it is definitely ambiguous and open to interpretation no matter what Scott wants..it's out of his hands now! Now obviously if he is directing the new movie that will carry on, but it would appear to me moot now since Ford isn't involved. I'm just saying theoretically there are many ways they could continue the story with Deckard as a human.
Timerider84
Timerider84 - 2/6/2012, 7:56 PM
Cameo at least.
FredBroca
FredBroca - 2/6/2012, 8:22 PM
Ford's been phoning it in since Six Days Seven Nights!

He was so bad in KOTCS that I think I saw his bluetooth in a few scenes!

He's never been one for the public spotlight and way back when it was cool because he put himself in his characters and they were unique. I think he's just grown into a different person because the guy I see in the movies now is not the same guy I idolized as a kid. The guy I looked up to as a kid was an a$$hole, but cool and macho. The guy now is just an old cranky washed up d*uche-bag who thinks he IS characters he portrays and forgets to act.

That being said, It's not that Ford is not going to be in the new Blade Runner, the movie has not been developed enough to determine the cast, plus let's face it with Ford's input in movies lately (KOTCS) I don't think it's something the audience or producers really want.

So, Mr. Ford, do us all a favor and remember who you are and where you came from, because you've lost your appeal. Then again, I doubt you would lower yourself to read these postings anyway...
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/6/2012, 8:23 PM
Which dialog was that? You'l have to be specific because this is one of my favorite movies and I know it inside out. In the theatrical version he has an ex wife..replicants have 4 year life spans, how long was he supposed to have been married? Was he literally only just divorced? Lets say he was..maybe married 2 or 3 years? How long has he been a Blade Runner for..it's certainly implied that he's a veteran, "the best" as they put it. Wouldn't that suggest he's been doing it for a bit more than 4 years..lets say it's exactly 4, wouldn't he be dying as Batty was at the end of the movie? That is just one example of many that might contradict the "Deckard is a replicant" theory, nothing is definite, it's all open to interpretation and that is the entire point.
JorL5150
JorL5150 - 2/6/2012, 8:47 PM
deckard IS a replicant.

he IS.

he has "memories" of an ex-wife for the same reason rachel had memories of terrel's niece:
they were programmed.
deckard is an experiment replicant just as much as rachel is.
asa matter of fact, terrel is a replicant. they didnt have time/$ to film the "reveal" but terrel was dead in cryogenics and batty finds the body after killing the terrel replicant.
(see: "dangerous days" )
gaffe KNEW deckard was, he knew deckard dreamed of a unicorn. he even said '.. are you sure you are a man?"


now, having ford in the movie could still work, after all "arnold" had a cameo in terminator salvation- so maybe we have a cg deckard voiced by harrison. or maybe he could play the engineer who designed deckard.

deckard.
is.
a.
replicant.
JorL5150
JorL5150 - 2/6/2012, 8:52 PM
also, the theatrical cut also contained a ridiculous "happy ending" where suddenly the dystopian so-cal turns into a scenic beauty and deckard and rachel live happily ever....


don't hang the "deckard's human" theory on the theatrical cut. it was a hatchet edit with absurd narration and no one, ford, ridley or the screen writers liked it.
JorL5150
JorL5150 - 2/6/2012, 8:57 PM
additionally, the script/editing vagaries as to the number of "missing replicants" is completely irrelevant.
IRRELEVANT.

the number of fugitive replicants in the various edits us an artifact of editing errors and the decision to cut a scene with one of the replicant 'expiring" in the first act.

deckard was not "missing" or fugitive, everyone knew EXACTLY where he was at all times.
just as rachel - who certainly was replicant - was not among the "missing" replicants.


case closed.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/6/2012, 9:00 PM
gaffe KNEW deckard was, he knew deckard dreamed of a unicorn. he even said '.. are you sure you are a man?..huh? No he doesn't! I what part does Gaff ever utter those words? Dude all that stuff you mention is still open to interpretation in the actual movie versions, spin off novels, comics etc don't count. Hell the follow up books mix the very different worlds of the original Philip K Dick novel and the movie version..how can they be taken as canon even if I did deffer to their relevance? Hell I'm not even saying I don't think he is, I prob do actually if I have to fall down on a side. The whole point of the story for me thoughts that Deckard loses his humanity the more he kills these machines who grow more human as they are hunted. Now I guess that works on both levels in some ways, but my point is that you just don't know for sure, and can't tell someone for a FACT one thing or the other.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/6/2012, 9:09 PM
Oh and I have to laugh at the dismissals of the theatrical cut. Dude whether you, they, or anyone else likes it that was the cut they released first and EVERYONE's first exposure to the movie. You telling me you weren't a fan before Scott released his director's cut? I sure was. Yeah the happy ending was way out of place even watching it as a child but that was the movie, for better or worse. So yes I'm "hanging" Deckard being human in that cut. You cab hang him being a replicant in the newer versions, I'll believe what I want to believe:)
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/6/2012, 9:14 PM
I mean even break it down logically..look at what we know for a fact happens in the movie. We know replicants have vastly superior speed, strength, stamina and fighting skills right? Yet Deckard gets his ass handed to him by 3 different androids, one of them a pleasure model! Now even if he had suppressed those memories and wasn't sure he could release his full power as it where, surely under those extreme circumstances he would have done everything with his maximum power to save his own life?
gabenorris
gabenorris - 2/7/2012, 12:02 AM
Thats soooo weird..... One of the greatest actors of our past generation, doesnt want to be in your movie. Riddle me that Batman. Guess another reboot in 30 years. Actors need to start reading scripts, before taking roles.
Ceejay
Ceejay - 2/7/2012, 12:53 AM
@RorMachine - If they programmed Deckard to believe he's human then why would he tap into super-strength he does not believe he has? How would that make his particular model effective as a human-facsimile?

Granted the screenplay writer wrote whatever he had in mind but the director crafted and shot the film with Deckard in his mind as a REPLICANT and he left clues everywhere, the light reflection in his eyes, the non related photographs all over his apartment, the unicorn dream etc etc. When the Director himself states that was his intent then I pretty much fail to see how you can prove him wrong with your own belief of what he had in mind!
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/7/2012, 4:00 AM
Haven't you read anything I've written? I'm not trying to prove him wrong, I'm saying nothing is CERTAIN. Scott himself initially said he wanted it ambiguous, then that he erred on the side of him being human, then only after his second Ultimate Director's cut or whatever he called it, that he was sure he was a replicant. Flip flopping all over the place. Whereas the writer always envisioned him as human, with hints that he MIGHT not be. That's what I'm taking it as.
Fogs
Fogs - 2/7/2012, 4:13 AM
To me the replicant / non replicant thing is dubious. Just like the Starchild and the Monolith in "2001".

It doesn't need to be explained.

That's a problem of today's cinema, BTW. Everything is explained to the exhaustion. Watch Sergio Leone's movies to see what I mean.

Good thing Mr. Ford isn't involved, I'm glad not because of him (a very nice actor imo) but because bringing Dèckard back is totally unnecessary to me.
Fogs
Fogs - 2/7/2012, 4:24 AM
And Ror, very solid arguments there.

I think, still, that Blade Runner is one of those movies that can be really be called Artistic. Art in a meaning that YOU have to find some answers.

Just like watching an abstract painting. Of course the author had his ideas, but it's your job to find out for yourself your own interpretation of it.

BTW, I remember watching the theatrical version and finding Deckard's bright eyes with Rachel very odd, and a hint he *could* be something else. Or not. Maybe that's what you said, he's less human as he kills, he's more a machine than those he hunt. Maybe that's all he hinted there. But maybe not. :)
JorL5150
JorL5150 - 2/7/2012, 11:02 AM
i am not relying on any comics, novel sequels or spinoffs. at all.
those would be apocryphal anyway.

also, i ackowledge in the novel phil dick has deckard human (and completely unlikeable) .

also, this is not an attack or criticism of anyone, just making my case and i know not everyone excepts evidence.

it IS A FACT that gaffe leaves a unicorn where deckard will find it AFTER deckard has the unicorn dream. the origami is symbolic throughout the film.

it is a FACT : gaffes says, as deckard flees to get to rachel, fearing another blade runner will get to her, "...you've done a mans job..but are you sure you are a man..?"
he.
says.
it.

watch the final cut with commentary, watch the special dangerous days, read the book "future noir" by paul sammon or watch the workprint with sammon's commentary.
gaffe questions whether deckard is human.

it's also a fact that terrell was supposed to be a replicant as well, you can see the storyboards in "future noir" and "dangerous days" but they ran out of funding to film the scene.
the point is, no one can know who is or isn't human.

deckard being replicant is arguably the biggest (but not the only) major departure from the novel- but in the film even HE asks "...how can it not know what it is?"
very ironic question....
JorL5150
JorL5150 - 2/7/2012, 11:04 AM
that said, i appreciate anyone who has a passion for this film- whether we agree or not (i have hours long debates with close friends on the matter LOL!) and i know we are very eager to see ridley revisit this world.
JorL5150
JorL5150 - 2/7/2012, 11:09 AM
oh and one more thing-
i wasn't trying to disparage the theatrical cut by any means. just that the theatrical was not a cut ridley was thrilled with and hardly definitive. again, reading sammons book goes along way to explaining why the theatrical cut is what it is and why ridley came back twice to "fix it".

(as with SII theatrical and SII-RDC there is the same overall story but with different content that affect people's views of the story)
gaikinger
gaikinger - 2/7/2012, 6:54 PM
Deckard being a replicant adds nothing to the story. In fact it takes away from the replicant hunting human falling for his prey. Originally Deckard was meant to be human and thats all their is to it. If Scott wants to pull a Lucas card and tinker than thats just fine. I remember the old interviews with Ford and Scott during the premiere and the idea that Deckard was a replicant simply was not in the concept. Its like Dumbldor being gay now because the author suddenly decides after the fact that hes gay....why? Deckard's Character was originally meant to emulate the old time detectives like Humphrey Bogart would play in the old noir films complete with narration but set in a future landscape period. I hate it when directors pull this kind of crap...very pretentious.
gaikinger
gaikinger - 2/7/2012, 6:58 PM
It reminds me of Lucas in the way that he shot the original Jabba the Hut scene in The Millenium Falcon hangar. Lucas says it was always meant to be redone in the films later with a CGI alien. BS!! Even in the novel and original trade paperback Jabba was a human. I hate this rewritting of history to make these directors justify their afterthoughts.
JorL5150
JorL5150 - 2/8/2012, 8:34 AM
have to disagree on a few levels:

ridley is considerably a better filmmaker than george lucas, and when ridley revisits a film (blade runner, alien, or gladiator) he only wants to improve it- not "gimmick" it and he NEVER says that his preffered edition should be the ONLY one available.
he's also nowhere as crass commercially.

secondly, deckard being a replicant does not at all diminish the story. a lot of "he's human" advocates believe that the "moral" of the story hinges deckard's "humanity" in a metaphorical sense as he has to reconcile brutal killing with the fact that these replicants can't help what/who they are.

all well and good, but that's only a microcosm. as with films like "matrix(and animatrix)" "i, robot" "ST:TMP" and others the bigger metaphysical argument is what constitutes "life".
are replicants "alive" ? or are they sophisticated machines that EMULATE life? what really is the diffrence?
what does it say about us, that we would build such things? a god complex?
what kind of society is cavalier about "pleasure models" ? have human relationships deteriorated so badly? rutger hauer himself weighed in on this- he compared deckard falling in love with rachel to a woman falling in love with a vibrator! (read sammon's book!) according to hauer replicants or only utilitarian devices. maybe he's right. but again- what does it say about us?
does making robot soldiers to wage war make us more benign,or does it make us insensitive and blunt to the horror of war?
do robot laborers make life better or take people out of the work force?

these, and others are the existential questions that "blade runner" offers and the "deckard-HAS-to-be-human-for-the-story-to-work" arguement doesn't really approach these broader concepts.

it's a FUN debate to have, but the scope of the narrative and depth don't hinge on it.
gaikinger
gaikinger - 2/9/2012, 3:26 PM
without questin, Scott is a better film maker. Fact is, Deckard was absolutley originally meant to be human and later changed to fit a more convoluted idea.
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