STAR WARS: J.J. Abrams Says It Was A Mistake For THE LAST JEDI To Tell Fans "This Doesn't Matter"

STAR WARS: J.J. Abrams Says It Was A Mistake For THE LAST JEDI To Tell Fans "This Doesn't Matter"

Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker director J.J. Abrams has now acknowledged some of the mistakes made my The Last Jedi, while also revealing the difficulties he faced helming the "Skywalker Saga" finale...

By JoshWilding - Dec 11, 2019 11:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Star Wars
Source: The New York Times
Star Wars: The Last Jedi remains one of the most divisive blockbusters in recent memory, and much of that is down to the creative decisions made by director Rian Johnson.

For example, pretty much every cliffhanger from The Force Awakens was undone as Supreme Leader Snoke was killed off without being given a backstory, Luke Skywalker didn't care about his lightsaber, and Rey's parents were outed as nobodies. Now, J.J. Abrams has shared his thoughts on those developments, and while he chose his words carefully, he clearly doesn't agree with the decisions Johnson made. 

After praising the movie for being "full of surprises and subversion and all sorts of bold choices," he added: "On the other hand, it’s a bit of a meta approach to the story. I don’t think that people go to ‘Star Wars’ to be told, ‘This doesn’t matter.’"

After being brought in at the last minute to replace original Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker director Colin Trevorrow, Abrams notes that he had three fewer months for post-production than he did on The Force Awakens and it made for a somewhat stressful experience. "I’m not saying it’s like the closest that ‘Star Wars’ will ever get to being live TV, but it was not leisurely."

Apparently, major plot elements and whole chunks of dialogue were being reworked right up until the day they were filmed, but Abrams explains that the same thing happened on The Force Awakens. "[While] we’re shooting, we’re reconsidering things, changing some significant story points going back to ideas that we had loved but put away. That process never stopped."
 
"Some people can say, oh, that sounds like it’s crazy," Abrams said. "But when you have the better idea, it doesn’t matter when it is — you have to try it."

It definitely sounds like Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker will address much of what Johnson did (or didn't) do in his middle chapter, but Abrams clearly respects what came before so likely won't write off everything that happened.

What are your thoughts on these remarks from the director?

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Ben Solo's Redemption

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We'll begin with the ending. Apparently, the final battle wasn't on the Death Star or some sort of newly introduced planet; instead, it would have taken place in the Solo family home. 

Surrounded by his family memories, Kylo Ren would have once again become Ben Solo and used his powers to save Rey. This iteration of The Rise of Skywalker would have also dropped any sort of hints about a romantic relationship between the two and mostly consisted of Kylo chasing her around the Galaxy as he tried to force Rey to join the Dark Side. 

Rey, meanwhile, would have still been trying to bring him back to the side of the angels.
 

Rey's "Nobody" Parents

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In a rather strange sounding twist, it was going to be revealed that Rey's mother was a cool housemaid, and one-time nanny to Ben Solo. As small children, Ben and Rey actually grew up together and she was like his little sister (why neither of them appear to remember that is hard to say, but it seems likely that Kylo Ren was concealing this from her). 

The site isn't sure what led to that relationship ending, but it's implied that Rey's parents fought in the Battle of Jakku, so something clearly led to them returning there. Perhaps they witnessed the Force connection between the two children and it freaked them out so much that they wanted to get rid of their daughter on the planet they first met Leia's family?
 

The First Order's New Plan

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We don't really know what The First Order is up to in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, but common sense says they'll be all too willing to serve the returning Emperor Palpatine. 

In Colin Trevorrow's version of the movie, there was going to be a rather unusual subplot with the villains erasing people's memories and then reprogramming them. Clearly, this was meant to shed some light on the creation of Stormtroopers and the site notes that "there was going to be some Manchurian Candidate type stuff going on in the background of the story."
 

The Emperor Was Going To Stay Dead

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J.J. Abrams claims that the seeds for Emperor Palpatine's return were sewn in The Force Awakens, but Trevorrow actually had no intention of bringing the iconic villain back in this movie. 

However, Lando was still expected to appear (which could explain him receiving a "Story by" credit) and Leia was going to be killed off due to Carrie Fisher's tragic passing. Leia was going to wield a lightsaber, though, and while the movie was set to include Red Stormtroopers, they wouldn't have been the Sith Troopers we've seen in this iteration of Episode IX.
 

Don't Expect To See Any Of This In The Film

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According to the site, none of these ideas have made it into The Rise of Skywalker so don't get too excited about any of this playing out on the big screen later this month. 

With any luck, Trevorrow will one day shed some light on what he had planned for the movie because it would be fascinating to know how the "Skywalker Saga" could have ended...and what led to the filmmaker parting ways with Lucasfilm and Disney over those infamous "creative differences."
 
What do you guys think of Colin Trevorrow's original plans for the movie? As always, be sure to let us know your thoughts on that in the comments section below!
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AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 12/11/2019, 12:08 PM
I think that most of us can agree that entire movie The Last Jedi was a mistake.
clornelas
clornelas - 12/11/2019, 12:12 PM
@AnthonyVonGeek - It is what it is, all we can do is move through the states of grief until acceptance finally arrives. It's not going anywhere, enjoy that another star wars movie exists and accept what you cannot change.
AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 12/11/2019, 12:18 PM
@clornelas -
dracula
dracula - 12/11/2019, 12:18 PM
@AnthonyVonGeek - So according to the SJWs this must mean Mark Hamil, JJ Abrams and John Boyega are racist or more likely they once again jumped to conclusions like they always do when people dont agree with them
AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 12/11/2019, 12:24 PM
@dracula - them ole rascally sjws will never be happy no matter what.
Hoot3
Hoot3 - 12/11/2019, 12:32 PM
@AnthonyVonGeek - I don't agree. I really like The Last Jedi because it made bold choices that aren't typical in the Star Wars franchise. But then again I'm not a diehard Star Wars fan, but I do understand why people don't like it.
dmac3232
dmac3232 - 12/11/2019, 12:43 PM
@AnthonyVonGeek - What compounded it even further for me were all the think pieces slobbering over how "subversive" and "deconstructive" it was. I honestly felt like I was being gaslit. It was almost as bad as Snyder fans arguing that he's the second coming of Kubrick.

Re-enter Abrams, who will promptly throw out everything Johnson did, just the way Johnson did to him. And I wasn't even all that invested in anything laid out by Abrams, who I think is enormously mediocre. But that's just ridiculously crappy storytelling, and a total lack of planning. And the results speak for themselves.

More than anything, I'd just love to hear what everyone involved with this franchise honestly thinks about TLJ. I would bet a huge amount of money these two and Hamill aren't alone.
soberchimera
soberchimera - 12/11/2019, 12:08 PM
Just say, "Rian [frick]ed up." and all will be forgiven...…sorta.
clornelas
clornelas - 12/11/2019, 12:09 PM
Bottom line, these movies will be watched on repeat and in order for the rest of time. Weird choices or not, fans deserve a cohesive story.
soberchimera
soberchimera - 12/11/2019, 12:12 PM
@clornelas - Just like Avatar! *snickers*
Reaper87
Reaper87 - 12/11/2019, 1:42 PM
@soberchimera - air bender was great! Cameron’s Avatar sequels haven’t come out yet so let’s see how those go. I’m excited for them!
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 12/11/2019, 12:09 PM
Nah, its more powerful to have Rey be a nobody without some important lineage than to shoehorn in something coincidental and super convenient (a la the Abrams way). Sorry JJ, you're wrong. Stop remaking the original trilogy.
clornelas
clornelas - 12/11/2019, 12:16 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - that's the problem with a movie that has so many problems. People hate it for very different reasons, and get lumped in together. I like the idea that the hero can be anyone, I can understand how the legacy of the Jedi is failure, thi6s the last remaining Jedi might lose faith. I don't like lady purple hair hiding the plan from everyone so that the other main characters have something to do for the movie while Jedi stuff is happening.
JonC
JonC - 12/11/2019, 1:06 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - I always understood that when he said her parents were "nobody", that he was manipulating her and did not know the truth OR per Snoke was not supposed to tell her as it might make her even more powerful once her royalty came to light.
ElCidJedi
ElCidJedi - 12/11/2019, 3:24 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - My sister loves Hallmark movies, my dad thinks Coors Light is the best beer, and you like the Last Jedi... the world is a crazy place, isn’t it?
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 12/11/2019, 3:28 PM
@ElCidJedi - you get the award for craziest, most bizarre comment of the day. Congrats!!
Rosraf
Rosraf - 12/11/2019, 5:31 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - May be “more powerful”, but does that make for a better choice for “episode 8” of a 9 part saga?

HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 12/11/2019, 6:36 PM
@Rosraf - Narrator: YES
Rosraf
Rosraf - 12/11/2019, 7:07 PM
@HeavyMetal4Life - Well, I hope you enjoy the conclusion of the “Random People with the Force Saga.”
HeavyMetal4Life
HeavyMetal4Life - 12/11/2019, 7:38 PM
@Rosraf - but that's the thing, its not random people. Abrams is saying here he doesn't like that approach, and leaks have indicated Rey has important lineage. Its just a remake of the original trilogy when Abrams is behind the camera.
SerKurtWagner
SerKurtWagner - 12/12/2019, 12:01 AM
@HeavyMetal4Life - Exactly. JJ coming back killed most of my hype of the movie, and revealing that he's bringing the Emperor back seems to confirm my fears. I hope I'm proven wrong, but I just can't get excited for it.
FleischerSupes
FleischerSupes - 12/11/2019, 12:11 PM
It's interesting how this has become the accepted narrative about TLJ in a short period of time. Maybe it's just a case of letting it set in and watching it a second time.

I defended it at first, but upon second viewing I realized it was full of bizarre petulant choices that mostly harm the franchise.
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