EDITORIAL: Why I Believe 'Snoke' Is 'Darth Plagueis' In STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS

EDITORIAL: Why I Believe 'Snoke' Is 'Darth Plagueis' In STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS

I believe that 'Supreme Leader Snoke' will actually turn out to be the former master of 'Darth Sidious' himself, 'Darth Plagueis', in Star Wars: The Force Awakens, and have gathered evidence to support my theory.

Editorial Opinion
By Darkknight2149 - Dec 28, 2015 06:12 PM EST
Filed Under: Star Wars
Star Wars: The Force Awakens recently hit theatres, taking the world by storm and becoming the fastest film ever to make one billion dollars, in style (feel free to check out my review). However, Star Wars' financial success is not what I am here to discuss, as jaw dropping as it may be. In my humble opinion, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Supreme Leader Snoke, who is presumably the main antagonist of the sequel trilogy, is in fact Darth Plagueis. But before I get to that, we must first ask ourselves...


WHO IS DARTH PLAGUEIS?

 

"The darkside of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural."
 
Darth Plagueis the Wise was an exceptionally powerful Sith Lord who served as the teacher and master to eventual emperor, Darth Sidious himself. Plagueis was so powerful in the force that he could manipulate midi-chlorians to create life and keep his loved ones from dying.  He taught much of what he knew to Sidious, who would go on to betray Plagueis. Sidious believed to have killed Plagueis, but that has yet to be seen. In the Star Wars: Legends universe, Plagueis was a Muun, but that is no longer canon as his alien race was never specified in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith.


WHAT IS NOT EVIDENCE THAT SNOKE IS PLAGUEIS
Rey's Staff


Before the release of The Force Awakens, it was speculated that Rey's staff is actually the lightsaber of Darth Plagueis due to a slight resemblance between the two. But to anyone who has actually seen the film, it is beyond obvious that this is not the case.

An Artist's Depiction of Snoke


Our supposed first look of Snoke came when an image of an artist's depiction of the character made its way onto the internet. The drawing is clearly Darth Plagueis. Regardless, this doesn't prove anything because there were no images of Snoke at the time. It is more than likely that the artist decided to Google "Supreme Leader Snoke," only to stumble across an image of Darth Plagueis.


EVIDENCE THAT SNOKE IS DARTH PLAGUEIS

If you look at Snoke compared to the Legends incarnation of Darth Plagueis, it is very easy to notice the similarities in appearance between the two, despite the fact that Snoke isn't a Muun. It also isn't a stretch to see that much of the same imagery used with Snoke was also used for Plagueis in Legends. For instance, it has been confirmed that Snoke is seven feet tall, yet his only appearance in The Force Awakens was that of an enlarged hologram that recalled the artwork used for the cover of the self-titled Darth Plagueis novel.

Although Darth Sidious claimed to have killed Plagueis in the official canon, we never see this for ourselves. It is possible that Sidious may have merely believed himself to have killed Plagueis, as Sidious himself admits that it was ironic that Plagueis could save countless others but not himself. Snoke is shown to be heavily scarred in The Force Awakens. Those scars must have made it onto Snoke's face somehow. Were they inflicted by Darth Sidious?

In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, actor Andy Serkis (who portrays Snoke) revealed that Snoke was around during the events of the previous films and is well aware of what has happened in those films. To quote Mister Serkis:

"[Snoke]'s aware of what's gone on, in the respect that he has been around and is aware of prior events. I think it'd be fair to say that he is aware of the past to a great degree."


In the same interview, Serkis claims that Snoke is an original character created specifically for the sequel trilogy. However, this doesn't hold much weight considering that Serkis is only an actor who doesn't know what is to come in future sequels. Actors only know what they are told about their characters and what they read in the script. That's why the majority of the cast members of the original trilogy had no idea that Darth Vader was the father of Luke Skywalker until after the release of The Empire Strikes Back. It is clear that Serkis has been informed that his character was around in the earlier films. The same can be said for Darth Plagueis, who pre-dates Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace.

If you pay attention to John Williams' score in Star Wars: The Force Awakens, you will notice that Snoke's theme is almost identical to the score used when Sidious informed a young Anakin Skywalker of the history of Darth Plagueis in Episode III.





Take a look at this concept art for Supreme Leader Snoke. Look familiar?


The final thing I should point out is that, at one point, Snoke is referred to as "wise" in The Force Awakens. This could be a reference to Darth Plagueis' title, "the Wise."


CONCLUSION

I believe that there is overwhelming evidence that Supreme Leader Snoke is actually Darth Plagueis. The Force Awakens left many things ambigious, as to leave room for the franchise's future installments. We may not know for certain if this evidence will pan out until after the releases of Episode VIII and Episode IX.

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TheRaven20
TheRaven20 - 12/28/2015, 9:01 PM
I hope and believe you are right. I've heard all of this evidence before, but you did a great job summarizing it all up in this well written article. However, some recent evidence to refute this came out a few days ago:

"They were toying with ways to make the main villain less like the Emperor, and J.J. Abrams didn’t want Snoke to be old and decrepit like Palpatine. And at one point, they almost made Snoke female. They also toyed with the idea that Snoke is incredibly beautiful to look at, like a marble statue, but then you realize the Dark Side has consumed him and turned him into something ghoulish."

http://io9.gizmodo.com/13-story-ideas-that-were-dropped-from-star-wars-the-fo-1749962882

In addition, Snoke's design was finalized just months in advance of the release, which also makes you think that he was never intended to be Plageuies.

Still I hope you're right because it would tie everything together perfectly.
TheRaven20
TheRaven20 - 12/28/2015, 9:03 PM
For me the biggest piece of evidence is the music. How is that just a coincidence? I just hope you're right.
Scorpo
Scorpo - 12/28/2015, 9:08 PM
Iz correct. Meesa haz inzide zourcez at Dizney and it'z true. Znoke is Darth Plagueiz! Jew heard it here firzt people.
Forthas
Forthas - 12/28/2015, 9:53 PM
These are good indicators BUT there is I think a better explanation. Snoke is the reanimated Palpatine...when the music that you mentioned was being played in Episode 3, it was Palpatine that was telling the story and it foreshadowed that he would be transformed into another being. When Darth Vader throws Palpatine into the reator a burst of force energy explodes out of it. You have never seem that of another Jedi. It show that Palpatine learned the power of immortality. It also explains why he would build essentially another Death Star. Why would Plageious wait so long to take over. He was supposed to be stronger than Palpatine. I have another theory also. Rey is related to Qui Gon. Qui Gon practiced the "living force" versus the cosmic force which is what Skywalker uses. Qui Gon was the first to return from death and taught Yoda how to do it. He was not himself taught this ability by anyone. That would explain why Rey can use the force without complete training. It is a higher level of force sensetivity which makes her more in tune wkth the force and potentially the most powerful Jedi ever.
DeusExSponge
DeusExSponge - 12/28/2015, 10:42 PM
Forthas - Oh please no, leave Palpatine dead.
DeusExSponge
DeusExSponge - 12/29/2015, 2:00 AM
As for the editorial itself, very compelling evidence my good man. Thumbs up for sure!
superherofan21
superherofan21 - 12/29/2015, 3:33 PM
@GliderMan Snoke could very well be his real name. "Darth" is just a title that a Sith lord is given. Why Snoke wouldn't want to be known as his Darth title, I'm not sure. Maybe because it would put a target on his back? Perhaps he doesn't want many people to know that he's a force-user.
jaysin420
jaysin420 - 12/29/2015, 8:04 PM
I read a similar theory on another site, but I've I've never seen that pic before (or any pics of Plagueis). That looks almost exactly like Snoke, isn't that enough proof? Unless they just really liked the look and used it for a new character? I doubt that tho.

I'm thinking you're right, maybe Palpatine messed him up really bad and he went into a force-sleep (I think that's a thing) or something like that. Maybe he never fully recovered and that's why he's so afraid of Luke?
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 12/29/2015, 11:43 PM
1. Plagueis was said to be able to keep his loved ones alive and orevent others from dying. It was never said that he could do this to himself. Also, Sidious killed him, hiw would he be able to bring himself back to life after he died? I understand that these are things that COULD be explained, but it would take some pretty ridiculous story telling.

2. Palpatine was resurrected in the Expanded Universe. I think it would make more sense to learn that he survived, or had clones of himself made that he could place his force consciousness in....which is what he did in the books. I know thise aren't canon anymore, but they are definitely taking some ideas from the books, so who knows?

I would rather it be some new character instead of Palpatine or Plagueis though.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 12/29/2015, 11:55 PM
Also, are we expected to believe that Plagueis just sat around and did nothing for all those years and just allowed Palpatine to take over and rule the galaxy unchallenged?

I mean, Palpatine didn't exactly prove himself to be more powerful than Plagueis when he killed him. He killed him in his sleep. Any idiot could have done that. I'm no expert, but I don't think thats what the Rule of Two meant when it said the apprentice will kill the master when he becomes more powerful. The whole idea is to keep the most powerful Sith in charge. Killing the master in his sleep does not make him more powerful. In fact, i would consider it an admission of inferiority.

Bottom line is, after getting punked out in his sleep, i doubt Plagueis would just sit around and do nothing while Palpatine rose to power that Plagueis would probably consider to be rightfully his.
DarthOptimus
DarthOptimus - 12/31/2015, 12:41 AM
I've been saying it since the Disney acquisition that Plagueis would be the villain of the sequel trilogy, it just makes the most sense and ties all trilogies together.
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