Spider-Man (1, 2, 3) vs. The Amazing Spider-Man (ROUND 3)

@FreedomFreeLife

I only talked about SM2 for like one sentence of that entire comment.

What's the point of doing this if you are going to have TASM win every round?? When you've been clear on many occasions that you dislike the Raimi films and love TASM. (sure NOW you're going to go make one where Raimi films win, just to appease people)

Overall the Raimi films are generally better and I'm sure there are many who would agree with me. As for Uncle Ben, I agree with you in this ONE PARTICULAR CASE, that TASM'd choice I thought was a bit better.

...Why do you even bother posting these ?

@Amazing Avenger
How?? The only thing that they did better was casting, which I agreed with.

Im going to give all details 1 BY 1.

I think both Uncle Bens were awesome but ASM's Uncle Ben's death didn't affect Peter the way Raimi's did. Like in the comics, The original films showed a drastic change in Peter's character after Uncle Ben's death. It changed Peter and gave him all the motivation he needed to fight crime. In ASM, Uncle Ben's death didn't do much to his character. He behaved the same way that he used to in the start of the film. 2 people died in the movie and Peter didn't learn responsibility. What I loved about Peter Parker was that him indirectly causing the death of one of his loved ones was enough reason for him to start a lifelong mission of redemption. The new Peter has had 2 people die and he hasn't learned a thing.

Anyway, both Bens were awesome and respectable role models. If only the new Peter followed in his footsteps the way old Peter did.

@RedLanternRage
But which villain? Old Spider-Man had 3 movies, and 5 villains. Which one should i take? If i take Doc Ock, then clearly Spider-Man 2 wins there.
If i take 1 villain vs 5 villains, then of cause older Spider-Man 2 again wins. If i take Lizard vs Green Goblin, then we see who win. Not sure yet, but i have to think about it :)

I like TASM the most cause IMO it's just better than SM1 and SM3...I guess TASM=SM2[I like the action but MJ and his aunt always have problems with villains and that's just stupid]>SM1>>>>>>>>>>SM3.

That being said...I really don't understand those articles and your "arguments".

Tobey's 'Peter' was a blubbering pussy. 'Nuff said.

Listen up so called "Spidey fans". I'm not saying the previous trilogy is bad, but get your facts straight. This guy is right ( Spider-man -hey, goodbye, lets talk, bam dead) so I really didn't care for the character of Uncle Ben at all, but in the Amazing Spider-man I almost cried how well it was done and how much I cared for the character. This movie surpasses the previous trilogy in almost every possible way. And I [frick]ing HATE when I see Tobey fanboys saying " oh Tobey is way better". Yes, my ass. All he did was whine and cry, and he only rushes to save MJ, he doesn't care for anyone else. My opinion, deal with it, but it's a realistic view on the franchise.

There are videos? I mean cant you see the video? thats not just images!

Yes Peter gets the girl, after long periods of time and real talking. Andrew simply stuttered like Shia Ladouche and got her easy. Their relationship faced no real challenges.
Peter superhero work interfering with his personal life? "Nah, I'll just tell her right away my big secret. Even though we haven't had any problems and now this most likely will never cause any." We can't be together because her dad made me promise to stay away from her as he got himself killed for me? Screw it. Hot girl."

No don't give me that crap about how they're going to fix this in the sequel. Why let us believe that Peter had finally learned his lesson after not one but TWO people have died because of him, only to have him step back to square one again in the end of the movie. Are there really making with Peter Parker so angsty that his Uncle Dying was not enough for him to become fully responsible? Will 20 people have to die just to teach one lesson to this kid? (figure of speech butthurt defenders). I know they wanna be realistic but don't change who a character is.

Yes he would make mistakes in the future, but at least for now end the movie with him learning something about responsibility rather than have him step back to square one.

@Virileman, I've read the comics and I'm already aware that's how they kicked off but you're missing my point. Peter quickly took away any threat to the relationship. I know you're gonna say this will lead to Gwen's death in the sequel from which Peter will become more responsible but WHY does THAT have to teach the ultimate lesson? Ben and Stacy's deaths should've been the final nails in the wood. Hell, Ben's get alone should have been enough to get the whole message straight. So this Peter has to have 20 people die and two movies have to be made just to teach him the basic lesson? That's just bad storytelling. How about you end the movie with him learning to be responsible and focus on other lessons in the sequel. No matter how much you defend these movies, they will be nothing more than just extended and dragged out versions of the original first movie.

Why end this movie with Peter going back to square one? In the comics, captain Stacy died and made Peter Promise to look after her. If they had done that then maybe I would have liked the ending better...or even better....JUST FULFILL HIS FINAL WISH AND STAY AWAY. That would take away the need for Gwen to die to teach him responsibility and the sequels could move on to new storylines and messages.

@SuspenseSmith, I get it. How easy it is for him to make mistakes but read my previous comment. The very first movie is about him learning the basic concept of responsibility. Why end the movie with him going back to square one? They wanna show him struggling with the responsible life? Fine. Do it in the sequel. At least end the first movie with us knowing that he learned something.

Yes Peter struggles with his life of responsibility. However that is after he fully accepts the message of responsibility. This movie and do the two of his loved ones dead because of him and he still had yet to learn the basic message. So basically this movie and the sequel are simply being extended versions of the first movie.

Spider man: Learns responsibility after the death of a loved one.

Spider Man 2: Learns the consequences of a life of responsibility.

Spider Man 3: Learn the strength to stay responsible under the influence of evil.

ASM: Almost learns to be responsible after the death of two loved ones but then steps back to square one.

ASM 2: Maybe learn to be responsible after like 3 people die. Maybe.

So yeah I get dealing the struggles of respdonsibility, but this Peter never learned true responsibility at all. If he had kept his promise, Gwen wouldn't have to die to teach him to be responsible since he already learned. This would allow for further learning in the sequels instead of having to revise the exact same message because he never learned it in the first movie.

In Spiderman 1 Peter learned responsibility. In Spider Man 2, Peter learn of the consequences of denying responsibility and the sacrifices that must be made.

ASM simply sticks with Peter still not learning the basic message until the sequel. That is why it is nothing more than a dragged out version of the first movie. If they had left Peter breaking the promise to the sequel, I MAY have understood after his suffering. But let me make something clear, responsible or not, Peter Parker never ever broke a dead man's promise. Thus, modern or not, they got Peter Parker all wrong.

Don't ask me what I would do, instead ask whatPeter Parker would do. The Peter Parker we all know and love would never be a dying man's promise for such a selfish reason. At least Not so soon. Two people die for him and he still hasn't learned to be responsible? That's just bullshit writing and definitely not something Peter Parker would do.

This Peter Parker was not only modernised but changed beyond recognition. He needs three deaths and two movies to learn basic responsibility.

Now don't give me that crap about how Peter still a teenager. Every Peter Parker was a teenager and they all suffered as much as this one did. Although other Peters had made mistakes and were flawed, they at least ended the first story with him learning to be responsible. This new story ended with him going back to square one just so he has to learn all over again in the sequel.

The original movies ended the first movie with the basic message and moved on to other messages in the sequels. This new one simply drags out the message of the first one all the way to the sequels simply because this Peter Parker's is stubborn. That is why I prefer the old movies. That's just my opinion and you can like the reboot better if you want.