AGATHA: COVEN OF CHAOS May Finally Make AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D. Non-Canon In The MCU

AGATHA: COVEN OF CHAOS May Finally Make AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D. Non-Canon In The MCU

The debate about whether Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. should be considered canon in the MCU continues to rage, but a new rumour about Disney+'s Agatha: Coven of Chaos may put an end to the debate once and for all.

By JoshWilding - Apr 19, 2023 07:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Agatha: Coven of Chaos

For the past few years, fans have squabbled among themselves about whether Marvel Television's small screen efforts are canon within the wider MCU. There's evidence to suggest both sides are correct, though the most logical answer is all of those stories took place on another Earth. 

To some extent, the latter argument can be countered by the fact actors like Charlie Cox and Vincent D'Onofrio are reprising their respective Daredevil roles, though we find it hard to imagine Marvel Studios being beholden to any past creative decisions in Daredevil: Born Again. That was actually evident in WandaVision when the Darkhold showed up with a new look and purpose after previously being featured in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

At the time, fans of the ABC series argued that Darkhold's return didn't decanonize the show, but a new rumour appears to dismiss the notion. 

As you can see below, Disney+'s Agatha: Coven of Chaos will reportedly confirm that Agatha Harkness was in possession of the Darkhold for at least 100 years before it was taken from her by the Scarlet Witch. 

This massively contradicts both Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Runaways, and while we're sure some fans will attempt to explain this away, to do so would be a stretch. Much of what we saw in the show's later seasons distanced it from the MCU, anyway, so this isn't exactly a shock. 

On the plus side, it might mean a future movie such as Avengers: The Kang Dynasty or Avengers: Secret Wars will bring the Agents into the MCU from their Earth to help turn the tide against Kang. That's ultimately far more likely than the characters suddenly showing up in a future story as part of the reformed S.H.I.E.L.D.

How do you all feel about this Agatha: Coven of Chaos rumour? 

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Unites
Unites - 4/19/2023, 7:24 AM
I don't think one small detail like that would make a show non-canon (or canon, for that matter).

There could be multiple copies of the book going around.

Not everything does need an explanation or clarification.
Vigor
Vigor - 4/19/2023, 7:29 AM
@Unites - sigh
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/19/2023, 7:36 AM
@Unites - The Darkhold Printing Press Company? Dude...
Unites
Unites - 4/19/2023, 7:53 AM
@ObserverIO @Vigor - It's not that I personally care lol

I've never watched AOS

But the statement in the article juet seems a bit too strong
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 4/19/2023, 8:37 AM
@ObserverIO - You joke but Multiverse of Madness literally made it clear that this is what happened. "It's just a copy."
Vigor
Vigor - 4/19/2023, 8:42 AM
@Unites - lol gotcha
Some people really do take it to heart
Razorface1
Razorface1 - 4/19/2023, 8:46 AM
@Unites - A detail like that does not make it non canon. The fact that Marvel obviously considers it non-canon does.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/19/2023, 7:34 AM
@TheDoctor1225 (wherever you are)



DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 4/19/2023, 8:09 AM
@ObserverIO -

His absence is making me count my remaining hours here, I can tell you that much. I've considered leaving this site before, and it was always him who kept me back.

Without him... what's even the point?
Fogs
Fogs - 4/19/2023, 8:28 AM
@DrReedRichards - it's a he? Always thought it was a she.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 4/19/2023, 8:40 AM
@DrReedRichards - aight y’all can’t just keep dropping off like this 😭
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/19/2023, 10:00 AM
@DrReedRichards - If all the doctors leave we will be completely without medical aid and will die. Even Dr Traggerrr. I mean he seems like he's patch us up and do lots of nasty things while we were under and I'd probably end up windering why there was a pig dick on my left arm, but without even him we would be left defenseless from all the nasty elements that are out to get us. Left vulnerable and alone.

Basically I'm saying 'Don't go, we need you'.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/19/2023, 11:49 AM
@DrReedRichards - well, there's enough good dudes left. @Fogs @ShimmyShimmyYA @ObserverIO in this thread already are examples. But I think @PlusUltra @MyCoolYoung @StSteven @TheWalkingCuban are some nice regular customers as well.

I could go on, but I hope you get the point. The only thing that makes me refrain from commenting as much is this new layout. It's all just a bit too enlarged
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 4/19/2023, 12:16 PM
@bkmeijer1 - need a discord , Twitter or something
Fogs
Fogs - 4/19/2023, 12:27 PM
@bkmeijer1 - thanks for the shoutout!

About the site, in the desktop I reduced the zoom for around 90% and it's ok.

On the mobile version I suggested Nate a font control button.
Fares
Fares - 4/19/2023, 12:40 PM
@ObserverIO - Di he ever mentions why he left? The comment section without a carefully chosen GIF by him doesn't feel the same.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 4/19/2023, 12:43 PM
@Fares - last I heard he was going somewhere where he wasn’t going to be on much but then he ended his account so idk
Fares
Fares - 4/19/2023, 12:52 PM
@MyCoolYoung - Oh well... I wish him luck wherever he is in this galaxy.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/19/2023, 12:57 PM
@Fares - I think he went back to his planet because he was sick of humans and our endless negativity, lol.I wish him well too.
Fares
Fares - 4/19/2023, 1:34 PM
@ObserverIO - TheDoctor1225 is a naked muscular blue man confirmed.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/19/2023, 1:37 PM
@Fares - I knew it!
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 4/19/2023, 1:58 PM
@bkmeijer1 - Preciate the shoutout!
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/19/2023, 2:31 PM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - I think there is a discord. Atleast once, but there wasn't a lot of activity when I was in it.

I think the link was always on the homepage, but I can't seem to find it anymore with this new layout
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/19/2023, 2:32 PM
@Fogs - that's actually a good idea. Although then the font is slightly too small again. Think my issue is moreso with the width of the page
RolandD
RolandD - 4/19/2023, 4:36 PM
@Fogs - He’s a dude. In one of his earlier lives he was PriyankaLover, which does not have to mean he’d have to be a guy, just an extra tidbit about him. I miss him to and Waddles as well.
RolandD
RolandD - 4/19/2023, 4:38 PM
@DrReedRichards - Don’t you start taking about leaving.
Fogs
Fogs - 4/19/2023, 4:38 PM
@RolandD - Yeah... Good people come and go in this site. Gotta say these discussions with nice people, even when in disagreement, are what keep me coming back after all this time.
CAPTAINPINKEYE
CAPTAINPINKEYE - 4/19/2023, 4:45 PM
@bkmeijer1 - that’s what she said
HopediahPlanter
HopediahPlanter - 4/19/2023, 5:42 PM
@ObserverIO -
StSteven
StSteven - 4/19/2023, 6:29 PM
@ObserverIO - Hey hey hey! I'm a doctor in real life (PhD, not medical, but I can change my username to be "DrStSteven" if that helps), but I'm a computer doctor, so while I may not replace your scrotum with a sack of marbles and broken glass, I MAY replace your hard drive with a pair of truck nuts and run a script that alters every email you send to say:

"Hi! Are you lonely tonight? Maybe looking for a little... action? How about a little furry action? Do you have a favorite animal you'd like to be? I'll just bet you do. So what is it? Are you a bear? Or a lion? Or a porcupine? Or. platypus? That's it, isn't it? You're a naughty naughty platypus. Well come on down you naughty platty. Ezra's coming too and he's bringing the boxed wine and roofies. It's going to be grrrrreat!"

Would that make you feel better little fella? See there's still plenty of weirdos doctors on this site to keep things freaky. Shhhh shhh, everythin'gonna be alright. Everything' gonna be alright.
StSteven
StSteven - 4/19/2023, 6:48 PM
@bkmeijer1 - "Nice" and "regular" are NOT adjectives that I'm used to being used in association with me (especially ever since I had that Silly Putty colon blockage - don't ask). So I'm going to assuming that you are attacking me and trying to be ironic,like saying that I'm a "weird asshole". You know what, bring it on! I've had "one of those days" and Im ready to start some shit. What's with you username anyway? "bkmeijer1"? Like "Burger King" and "Meijer's" (it's like Walmart in the US) and "1"? Like you're saying that Burger King and Meijer's are like the best of the best? Have you no dignity sir?!? And and and "customer"? How am I a customer? Am I paying for this service here? Like at a white house? Like I paying for the folks here to stroke my ... ego? Like I can't stroke my own ego ANYTIME I want in the privacy of my own house (as long as my wife's around that is).

Insults upon insults, that's what this is. Well, if you are expecting me to continue being a "nice regular customer" you've got another thing coming. You've called down the thunder and now you've got it!
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/20/2023, 4:50 AM
@StSteven - sir, I can't get you the manager because I am the manager!

Kidding aside. You are one of the guys that I like interacting with on here (because you aren't an endless cesspit of negativity).

And actually, I do like Burger King (over McDonalds anyway) and am related to Meijer's founder. So I'm just gonna take those things as compliments.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/20/2023, 5:18 AM
@StSteven - lol, I'm feeling better already doc!
StSteven
StSteven - 4/20/2023, 5:50 PM
@bkmeijer1 - I just noticed that in my previous comment it autocorrected my "Like at a whore house?" to "Like at a white house?" Probably makes a lot more sense with the original spelling.

Dude, there's enough in life to be negative about as it is, we DON'T need that to spill over into our interests and hobbies. Why would I want to go to a site in my free time that just shits all over the stuff that I like constantly? Not saying that everything has to be sunshine and rainbows all the time, but c'mon! There's this other site that I go to some times (superherohype.com) and their comments section is SO negative most of the time that I usually don't even read them much less post. They pretty much hate everything, it's just to varying degrees.

And actually I like BK as well (definitely better than McDonalds), it's just that where I live there are SO MANY good restaurants within 5-10 mins of my house that BK falls to the lower end of the list (ever had "In-and-Out Burger"? DAMN those are good (especially with their "secret menu" animal style). But the closest BK to me is right next to a Home Depot, which I go to A LOT (been there every day so far this week), and it's usually around lunch time... and I think that BK sends out that grilled meat smell on purpose because when I drive right past it... (insert Homer Simpson gif here). Plus, I have apps on my phone for all these restaurants, so I can get BOGO on a Whopper any time I want, so if I'm in the mood BAM! I'm right there. But I digress. The only thing we don't have here which I wish we did is White Castle. I know that they're not the best but DAMN they are a guilty pleasure of mine. So whenever I visit my family in Chicago my wife and I will buy a "Crave Case" of like 32 of them and just go to town (it's odd that the are not here as Arby's is and they are owned by the same company).

Anyhow, regarding Meijer's, that's cool! I actually in all seriousness quite like Meijer's and I wish they had some in my area. I used to shop there quite a bit when I was doing my undergrad work in Illinois as they are quite popular up there. It's definitely better than Walmart (which not surprisingly also has McDonald's in them quite often - go figure). Plus I see ads in my TF sites where Meijer's put TFs on sale and Walmart NEVER does that (but at least Target does (also better than Walmart)).

Speaking of TFs, I know I mentioned this before, but Hasbro is putting out more of the G1 TFs from "TF:TM" in the animation accurate colors in "TF:TM" packaging (Walmart exclusives). So far they've done Hot Rod, Starscream, Hound, and Thundercracker (I just got TC yesterday but still need Hound). I remember that you're a "TF:TM" fan, so that may be something you'd be interested in.

Cheers!
StSteven
StSteven - 4/20/2023, 6:01 PM
@ObserverIO - Awesome! FWIW I DID study the art of absurdity under the late, great Hunter S. Thompson (well in my mind anyway), and I've got a case of truck nuts, a pallet of box wine, and every animal costume I could get my hands on when "someone" pulled that fire alarm in the Spirit Halloween just down the road from me last October. So come one down!

Just ask @0JackieDaytona0 about the hot tubs full of warm tapioca pudding and the 90's movies on VHS. I bring the full-on "WTF"!
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