VENOM: 10 Ways The Movie Sets Up The Future Of Sony's Live-Action Spider-Verse - SPOILERS

VENOM: 10 Ways The Movie Sets Up The Future Of Sony's Live-Action Spider-Verse - SPOILERS

Venom has slightly exceeded expectations at the box office so a sequel now seems inevitable. Here, we look at the ways the movie sets the stage for that and the future of this live-action Spider-Verse...

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By JoshWilding - Oct 09, 2018 03:10 AM EST
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Venom had a stronger than expected opening weekend at the North American box office this weekend and while it's too soon to say whether or not the movie will have the legs it needs to be considered a true hit, things are currently looking good for a sequel receiving the green light in the near future. 

The question is, what does this movie do to set the stage for both that and whatever comes next for this live-action "Spider-Verse" (which doesn't have a Spider-Man). That's what we're taking a look at here as we break down all the possible directions that the franchise can head in moving forward. 

So, to see this glimpse into Venom and the Spider-Verse's future, hit the "View List" button below.


What Comes Next For The Symbiotes



By the time Venom ends, the Symbiotes brought to Earth by the Life Foundation have all perished due to not having a suitable host to bond with. Riot, meanwhile, burns up when the spaceship he's in explodes and that leaves Venom as the only Symbiote - that we know of - still alive on Earth. However, there's an entire asteroid full of them still out there so could that wind up crash-landing on our planet?

It seems unlikely because they'd probably all burn up on entry but Sony has left the door open to more of them being introduced somewhere down the line. The movie's producers have also confirmed that Venom very nearly included a scene set on Klyntar, so it's feasible that we'll get to see what life was like for Venom before he bonded with Eddie Brock. I'm just not sure how relevant that will be to Carnage!

 

Eddie Brock: Reporter



While Eddie Brock should probably be behind bars by the time Venom ends seeing as he went on a rampage through the city and ate a bunch of people, he actually ends up going back to his roots as a journalist. Now, common sense says that this will play a significant role in his adventures moving forward but will he one day end up being disgraced like his comic book counterpart before him?

It's doubtful as his firing for calling out Carlton Drake pretty much adapted that moment (very loosely, anyway) and it actually seems as if Eddie only got his job back so Sony would have an excuse to pit him against Cletus Kasady, something which could have been achieved by putting Eddie behind bars too.

 

Spider-Man Isn't Needed



Spider-Man is an essential part of Venom's backstory but this movie went at least some way in proving that the stories of these "Spider-Verse" characters can play out fairly well without the wall-crawler. 

Would hating Spider-Man make Eddie Brock a better character whose motivations are significantly more fleshed out. Definitely. However, this movie worked without Peter Parker and a sequel pitting Venom against Carnage also doesn't need the hero so there's no reason to believe that the likes of Black Cat, Jackpot, and Silver Sable can't manage. They just won't be quite as good as they should be.

 

"I" Becomes "We"



Venom handles the relationship between Eddie Brock and the Symbiote in a very strange fashion. While "I" does become "We" as the story progresses, they're two separate entities; when Venom is in control, Eddie is just a passenger and vice versa. However, now these two have bonded, the stage is set for us to see the Venom from the comic books we all know and love when the sequel finally lands.

There were hints of that in this first instalment and if the follow-up takes the ball and runs with the idea, we could be in for a treat. Now that Eddie and Venom have achieved true symbiosis, the lines between who is who will hopefully be blurred and Sony will explore exactly what that means for them both rather than just playing on their dynamic for laughs and trying to make a wannabe Deadpool.

 

Ann Weying's Return



On the one hand, I find it hard to believe that Michelle Williams will want to reprise the role of Ann Weying in the Venom sequel but the first instalment still finds plenty of ways to set the stage for the character's return. For starters, there are plenty of hints that Eddie Brock will win his former fiancee back, while she clearly enjoyed being She-Venom for a while, so that could come into play as well. 

I wasn't a fan of Venom but that was one of the movie's coolest moments, so while I don't think she'll get a symbiote of her own, Venom might find a way to imbue her with powers as well in order to even the odds against Carnage when that battle inevitably takes place between father (mother?) and son.

 

Carnage Is Coming



I've mentioned Carnage a few times here and there's a very good reason for that. During Venom's mid-credits scene, Eddie Brock heads to prison to interview Cletus Kasady, a well-known serial killer who intends of getting out of there to cause "carnage." It's since been confirmed on multiple occasions that the two Symbiotes will clash in the sequel and we have a good idea of how that will happen.

Just like in the comics, the Venom Symbiote will more than likely produce an offspring which will bond with Cletus to create Carnage and help him escape, something which is bound to result in a lot of laughs when Eddie questions how his other could have let that happen. The movie's producers have confirmed that the sequel won't boast an R-Rating, though, so forget about seeing anything too brutal.

 

Eddie Brock's History In New York



One of the most intriguing moments of Venom comes when Ann Weying mentions that something happened while Eddie Brock was working for The Daily Globe in New York City that led to him being chased out of town. Comic book fans will know that he was fired from the newspaper when he was fooled into believing that a copycat was the Sin-Eater and Spider-Man later discredited him.

Eddie plays down what happened in this movie so chances are it wasn't quite that bad but it definitely feels like there's a story to be told there. Perhaps Eddie wrote something about Cletus Kasady's murders and got it wrong? After all, it's been confirmed that the villain went on a spree in NYC.

 

A Different Tone For This Spider-Verse



Regardless of whether you loved it or hated it, everyone seems to agree that Venom is one weird movie. It's as if Tom Hardy was sent a totally different script to the rest of the cast and the tone is all over the place. After all, we expected a horror style superhero movie but what we actually got was a bizarre buddy comedy/action-adventure. What this probably means is that the rest of these Spider-Verse movies will boast similarly weird tones and probably won't be anything like we're expecting!
 

Planet Of The Symbiotes



I'm almost certainly getting ahead of myself here but looking at Venom 3, I wouldn't be at all surprised if we get some sort of cosmic style adventure. After all, by that point, the franchise will have done Riot and Carnage so why not either bring a bunch of symbiotes to Earth or sent Eddie and Venom to Klyntar? That would be a bold move on Sony's part but it could work if they have the cajones to do it. 

Honestly, I wouldn't bank on it but recent comic books have featured various wars between Venom and his fellow Symbiotes so there are plenty of places the threequel could actually take inspiration from. 

 

The Lethal Protector



Venom's code is a little messed up as Eddie Brock is happy to let him kill criminals simply in order to keep his hunger under control. In fact, that seems to be the only reason the journalist is happy to take down bad guys but this will probably be the closest we get to seeing the "Lethal Protector" version of the character on the big screen. That's better than nothing and can be improved on in the sequel.

In fact, starting the follow-up with Venom serving as San Francisco's superhero would be a lot of fun. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I have much faith in Sony to deliver on that promise but it could happen 
providing we get a new team of writers and a director a little more capable of handling this.

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Kumkani
Kumkani - 10/9/2018, 3:34 AM
Just when I thought the Venom articles stopped coming in...

These all are a bunch of obvious possible directions.
MitchConner
MitchConner - 10/9/2018, 3:44 AM
I know they will likely use Carnage (duh), but I hope they get a bit more story driven and go TDK with an entourage of villains for Venom. I don’t know if they can, but it would be cool for someone like Black Cat to slip into Eddie’s orbit and put Eddie’s repaired relationship in question while doing it to sabotage Venom as well as he deals with Carnage. Guess we will see.
mgeoff88
mgeoff88 - 10/9/2018, 3:50 AM
“But will he one day end up being disgraced like his comic book counterpart before him?”

This has already happened. When he is with Ann at the restaurant early on in the film, she mentions the story about an incident at “The Daily Globe” involving Eddie, which resulted in him being chased out of New York. That’s how he ended up in San Francisco.
MyBallsRBig
MyBallsRBig - 10/9/2018, 3:57 AM
I think it would be pretty dope to make the sequel ASAP while it’s fresh in people’s minds. Call it Venom: Maximum Carnage, who knows if Hardy, Williams and Harrelson will be available soon but I’m sure they have something worked out to film in 2019 if all went well.

It can’t just be a straight up Carnage movie, there has to be a conflict with Venom & Brock, maybe Venom separates to a more willing to kill host and ends up being captured and sold like in the books only
For him to reunite with Brock to take on Carnage. I think Venoms more bloodlusting part will break off and bond with Cassidy bc I doubt any more stmbiotes are going to land on earth without Carlton Drake around.

I’d love to see Mac Gargan, Angelo Fortunado, Norman Osborn, Jameson appear and hopefully some mention of Spidey. The way they can add the spider symbol is either Venom sees Spidey is a higher lifeforn and tries to bond with him only to be rejected or straight up copies him to be like a Spider-Man west of sorts and uses the spider symbol to show he’s a “good guy” to everyday civilians.

The movie was okay, it had a lot to set up, Hardy needed things to chew on storyline wise, but I think it makes a sequel very appetizing seeing as Venom is fleshed out now and we can have the Brock/venom dynamic from the opening minutes this time, plus the best villain not done in film was introduced in the last movie so skip that little 5 minutes of introducing again.

Huge potential for a Maximum Carnage movie, that will shatter records so if I were Sony, I’d work out that Spidey appearance deal, and start making plans to shoot next summer.
TheBigLebowski
TheBigLebowski - 10/9/2018, 4:17 AM
Maybe Sony’ll start cranking out live-action Miles Morales movies and connect those to the Venom ones. All depends on how the Spider-Verse movie does, I guess.
DoubleD
DoubleD - 10/9/2018, 4:21 AM
The legs and word of mouth is already strong for Venom. Sometimes you can tell by the first weekend.

Venom was well praised by the general audience and went from a 50 to 60 million projected weekend to 80 million because word of mouth was strong.

Strong word of mouth is what creates strong legs. Second weekend will be great.

Still 89% at Rotten Tomatoes with the audience and if you read the reviews people love Venom.
aflynn
aflynn - 10/9/2018, 4:25 AM
Only care about Into the Spiderverse.
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 10/9/2018, 4:35 AM
"10 Ways The Movie Sets Up The Future Of Sony's Live-Action Spider-Verse"

If there was ever a single headline I was happily looking forward to never seeing after TASM2 crashed and burned, it was most definitely this one.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 10/9/2018, 7:01 AM
@OmegaDaGrodd - The way I look at it: shit usually doesn't work out for fans. Even when we get what we want, it's usually not what we really want.

But the MCU up-ended that calculus. It's has become this amazing industry phenomenon that is deeply engaging and does a hell of a lot of justice to the source material. But they still don't have access to a lot of their best characters. And even the ones they have are still arranged according to the priorities of Kevin Feige (bless him) who despite being a great manager of the studio does have his own personal quirks and biases (like apparently favoring the Eternals over the Inhumans for some reason).

The result is, we get a lot of good-to-great movies, and Loeb works on the margins, still managing to make some pretty damn watchable series even as they operate at arm's length from the films. It's a compromise, but probably the best possible outcome given the circumstance.

And as of now, Sony/Arad/Pascal are mining the Spider-Man rights for projects that can work on their own. And they may be emboldened by this reasonable success to reintegrating Spider-Man back into those properties once they're established (though I'm not convinced of it). So, even if that happens, the MCU gets Spider-Man for four movies. Probably six, given the time required to put their ducks in a row. That's more Spider-Man than people expected to ever see in the MCU anyway.

And now we're facing the imminent return of the X-Franchise and likely the Fantastic Four, with potential that most people haven't even begun to unpack. It's an embarrassment of riches. And I'm just waiting for some new shoe to drop that mars how astounding a coup this is (there are some business aspects that aren't great, but that's already baked in to me, something else is likely coming).

Marvel fans are spoiled. We've have been getting the generous side of the coin flips for ten years. (Just look at DC, where even their fans are mostly motivated by who to blame for the state they find themselves in.) There has to be some salty with the sweet, the universe demands it. Nobody wins all the time.
Catmanlives
Catmanlives - 10/9/2018, 8:35 AM
@Spock0Clock - I'm in the booo Venom camp but that was very well said.
GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 10/9/2018, 11:23 AM
@Spock0Clock - Agree with almost everything, except "likely the Fantastic Four ...." To be sure, the FF absolutely will be in a Marvel Studios movie, the Walt Disney Company press release announcing the Fox acquisition said as much. If not in their own titled film, then the FF in an FF universe which, as you perfectly describe it, is an embarrassment of riches that none of has seen on the big screen done correctly -- Galactus, Silver Surfer, Inhumans, Annhilus, Franklin Richards, Thing v. Hulk, Dr. Doom, the Negative Zone and more. Speaking of the Inhumans. That was an arm-wrestling match Feige didn't win against, Ike Perlmutter, thereby relegating Inhumans to that awful TV show. Time heals all wounds, and I have zero doubt we will see the Inhumans (done correctly) in a few years, on film, as part of the rich FF universe.

I like Sony's/Arad's/Pascal's now-apparent approach to Spidey: build a foundation with the rogue's gallery of Spidey villains, and then bring Spidey back to Sony. I am good with this, now that Marvel Studios has educated Pascal on how the core of Spidey should be done (high school kid, kinda geeky). That said, and just like in the ASM canon, Spidey is really his own team, and works best on his own, when every bad guy and every personal problem seem to be conspiring against him. He's not an Avenger. I don't want to see Iron Man flying around in every Spidey film. I don't want to see Spidey in an Iron-Spider costume (even though visually it looks cool). I like it when Spidey makes his own mistakes, when he figures things out on his own. I like it when Spidey's costume is torn and he need to sow it back together. We're not going to see this at Marvel Studios.
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 10/9/2018, 11:39 AM
@Spock0Clock -



I fully agree with your take, I just have a deep burning hatred for Avi Arad that I don't think will ever subside. Of course we're living in the golden age, I just wanted it all. :)
DoubleD
DoubleD - 10/9/2018, 4:48 AM
I want Sony to succeed and even make more and better movies.

As a Marvel fan I know Spiderman will never be part of the Marvel/Disney Universe. Spiderman will never come home back to Marvel. Even if all the movies flop all we will get are no more Spiderman movies for 10 to 20 years.

If Sony fails say good-bye to Spiderman for a very long time. I'm getting older I want to see Spiderman movies now.

Kleytus
Kleytus - 10/9/2018, 4:54 AM
@DoubleD - sadly, this. Marvel cant cook more films per year. If Sony keeps what worked, fix what not, and use this success leverage to make a deal with cross films with Marvel, everyone wins.
Lets hope for the Best.
DoubleD
DoubleD - 10/9/2018, 5:02 AM
@Kleytus - Not going to happen got Spiderman for a couple but its not a long term financial win for Sony or Disney to work together with all the remaining characters.
SuperCat
SuperCat - 10/9/2018, 5:16 AM
ComicsBeyond19
ComicsBeyond19 - 10/9/2018, 2:15 PM
@SuperCat - I'm pretty confused by this gif.
sinsear912
sinsear912 - 10/9/2018, 6:48 AM
They should just use spiderman 2099 and go the terminator route
Asturgis
Asturgis - 10/9/2018, 6:55 AM
@sinthegreat - Spider-Man 2099 vs. Batman Beyond. The dream movie.
Asturgis
Asturgis - 10/9/2018, 6:56 AM
Off topic, anyone watched the 30 minute interview of the entire Daredevil cast on the Build Series? 30 minutes of discussion, zero information, insight, anecdotes, about anything. The whole cast repeating "Yeah, I was blessed to work with such talented people" for half an hour, and that's it. Unbelievable. I didn't even know such a shitty interview, and missed opportunity, was possible.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 10/9/2018, 7:08 AM
''I wasn't a fan of Venom''. I haven't noticed that, but ''We expected a horror style superhero movie'' might be one of the reasons
BestAtWhatIDo
BestAtWhatIDo - 10/9/2018, 8:19 AM
Box office indicates the sequel is a go, but I REALLY don't see Hardy, Williams, or Harrelson returning for Part 2. Seems like the movie ended up being very much not what they expected (though I still haven't seen it, and will probably just catch it on Netflix, based on what the reviews have been saying).

If I were they, I'd just course-correct with a "crossover" with the Marvel Spider-verse in Homecoming 3.
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