X-Men Franchise Options Part 1 - REBOOT vs. CONTINUATION

X-Men Franchise Options Part 1 - REBOOT vs. CONTINUATION

We’ve heard the rumour mill on what Fox plans for the future of the X-Men franchise, but nothing solid has come our way. So what are our options? And more importantly, are they feasible?

Editorial Opinion
By ThunderCougarFalconBird - Jun 22, 2009 04:06 AM EST
Filed Under: X-Men

This turned out to be much longer than I thought so I’ve split it into two parts for easier digestion.

We’ve had a few pages up recently on this topic, and on the excellently written “What’s next for the X-Men” by our lovable Irish cowboy I openly opted for a reboot of the franchise, but was I too hasty? This got me thinking and my thoughts were far too much for a simple comment on another page, so I turned to my newly started fansite.

REBOOT vs. CONTINUATION

X-MEN 4

Why not just carry on? The franchise has well and truly been written into a corner. We can’t just keep crawling deeper into this corner. But to carry on with the series only one issue really needs addressing. There is a way back, but the question is “will it be credible?”, “will people accept it?”. Well lets talk it through and maybe we’ll find out.

Scott died. Or did he? There are two ways I can think of getting him back. But first lets ask ourselves, do we need him back? For me that is a no-brainer. He is an annoying pompous twat and I can’t stand him! But we need him because he is the leader of the X-Men. I don’t care who may be more popular, it is Cyclops that keeps a level head on his shoulders. Without him, Wolverine can’t go nuts, Gambit can’t take time out to sweet talk Rogue. He allows the others to be who they are and without him it won’t work. So, getting him back…

Option 1 - We never actually saw him die. Jean said she killed him but her thoughts are all over the place. Maybe she believed it so much and convinced herself she had done it that even the professor thought she had. Scott could simply be found wondering in a daze. Personally, I don’t like this option, but it’s a way to get him back.

Option 2 - Time travel. We could easily have an Apocalypse story involving Bishop coming from the future. The X-Men could find themselves unable to function as a team so Bishop travels back in time to bring back Cyclops, the one man who can organise the group on the battle field. I quite like the sound of this. I think it’s because you find out someone who never seemed important is actually vital, and that’s a good message to put out.

There are other issues I will glance over;

Jean is dead. This can stay. Why not bring her back like Scott? The argument is that she is too dangerous and Bishop won’t risk it, they may need to kill her again and may not be able to it a second time. It’s good to have a character die and stay dead every so often. It adds a touch of realism to the universe created and humanises the superheroes. Jean can mean more in death than she ever did when living.

Xavier is dead. Well no, his mind transferred into the other body. So he can easily turn up again. Lets just hope it was his twin brothers body and someone knobbles him early doors so we can have the wheelie egg head back! We can always ask about time travel again. But maybe Bishop knows that too much hung on Xavier’s death and if he changed it, it will alter the time line too drastically.

Magneto and Rogue have no powers. I don’t care what you say THAT CHESS PIECE MOVED!!!! There is no knowledge into how the “antidote” works long term. Their powers could slowly return.

So, yes. I was too quick to call for a reboot. I can see there is a way back from X3. If handled properly, I would be happy to see a continuation of the established series.

REBOOT

So, I’ve found a way to continue the series that is in my opinion “credible”. So why even contemplate joining the hordes of dreaded reboots, remakes and re-imaginings that seem to be littering our screens lately. Well, if you don’t like my ideas raised for X4 and can’t think of anything else, this may be for you. But even if you are set on a continuation there is still a valid argument for starting afresh.

The first argument is quite simply the cast. How long can these guys keep the franchise running? The biggest problem does not fall on Patrick Stewart or Ian Mckellen, it is Hugh Jackman that will be the bane of a continuation. Yes, I said it. Xavier and Magneto can be seen aging from movie to movie with no problems but Wolverine cannot. Personally I believe Hugh is straddling the fence in terms of how old he looks for the character and doesn’t have enough convincing Logan portrayals left in him if any. Yes, he has played the part well and his passion has been great to see, but his passion hasn’t been enough to hold the last two movies. It is time to pat him on the back and say good job.

Another argument for a reboot is, how good is this X-Men universe Fox created? The problems in X3 did not start there. Right from X1 the were issues that pointed us down a path that could only stray further and further from the source material. Mutants were introduced in the wrong order and in some cases, the wrong age bracket. Individually this doesn’t matter too much, but the X-Men universe is one of the largest comic worlds I can think of and is very intricately balanced. Take these kind of liberties with one or two characters and you will have a domino effect on your hands that can only get worse. If a reboot was to happen then Fox needs a long-term plan for this franchise, they can’t take it one movie at a time. They need to map out which characters love each other, hate each other, grow up together, when they meet, how they meet and how and when they part. There are so many elements to consider that they need to treat the X-Men franchise like the Avengers. Marvel are putting their plans in motion for that and rightfully taking their time to bring the characters together convincingly.

OK, I’ve outlined a few issues I can see with both these options and thrown in a few solutions to the problems. I’m sure you can think of many more problems and solutions than I have. My personal choice of these two options is still the reboot. But I’m not as convinced as I was before writing this. My main reason for wanting a reboot has changed, let me explain. I believe comic book movies can be split into three “ages“ of the genre;

1 - We had X1, Spiderman 1 and Daredevil. These where the first of this generations adaptations. These showed the public (non comic fans) that this genre can be fun.

2 - We had X2 and Spiderman 2. These films raised the bar and showed the public that not only can this movie genre be fun, they can be seen as serious movies able to hold their own against other genres.

3 - Batman Begins, Iron Man and Dark Knight. These films showed everyone, not just the public but the people behind the movies pulling the purse strings that this genre has what it takes to not only compete against others but surpass them in everyway.

When I see a new movie from our beloved comic pages, I believe that if they aren’t in touching distance of the “third age” they have failed to meet their potential. If a continuation of the X-Men franchise goes on then I can’t see them achieving this. There are too many issues and compromises to make trying to rectify them that we can only hope for a “second age” movie. That’s not good enough for me.

So which would you prefer to see?

Coming up X-MEN: OPTIONS PART 2.…ORIGINS vs. FIRST CLASS.

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TheMyth
TheMyth - 6/22/2009, 7:22 AM
Thanks Howlett04. Although I am totally against the idea of a reboot (at least until , like you said, some of the actors just get too old) I agree with your entire article, even your reasons for a reboot. Many fine points. While I don't share everyone's disdain for Cyclops, he is one of my favorite X-Men, and his penchant for being a 'twat' is a necessary aspect to the team. Tell me who else can keep wildcards like Logan, Iceman, Gambit, and others together as a cohesive unit. He is the asshole big brother to the whole team.Bringing him back is this easy, this is my proposition: The Dark Pheonix was in fact Madelyne Prior, the clone created by Sinister. In encountering Cyke at Alkali Lake, she simply snatched him up for the X-Men's most deadly nemesis. He could even have Jeans comatose body as well. Just find a sensible and subtle way to pan that all out and I believe it would work well. I vote for continuing the franchise. Let's have X_Men 4: The Mutant Massacre. That is a story that writes itself for film and utilizes all the characters and mistakes made throughout the franchise, and such an event could straighten out the continuity issues and get the franchise back on track.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 8:35 AM
Nice article man! Keep it going lol!!! ; )

I think you know my thought on this heh heh!

They can still do their X4 if they want, heck even bring in CABLE an save CYCLOPS cool!!!

But for X-MEN FIRST CLASS, i want the REAL FIRST CLASS =

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Not this X-90210 sh!te! =

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The reboot as you call it, but end of the day all them comics, video games, even these movies are because of THE ORIGINAL X-MEN, an they need the respect they deserve on the big screen, not that sh!te from WOLVERINE!

If they make that X-90210 FOX will kill off the franchise an i really don't want to be the one to say i told you so, i really don't, i love the X-MEN!

X4 can be made easy after FIRST CLASS,(they can co excist) ppl wont even care, trust me! ; )

P.s. Thumbs up on ya article!!!

ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 6/22/2009, 8:49 AM
Thanks guys!

TheMyth - it was you who actually inspired me to write this. In a way it was all three of you, how spooky is that?! The people who inspire the page are the first to comment! Anyway, LEEE777 and teabag both expressed their want of a reboot and I joined them but then you came in condemning the idea. I was typing my response to your comment and thought "shit, this is long" so I abandoned that and did this.

stay tuned for part 2! Nearly done! And LEEE777, I shall be going into detail on First Class.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 8:50 AM
Nicely done! ; )

Yeah spooky lol! Heh heh.

Cool HOWLETT @ We need detail dude! ; )
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 10:05 AM
HOWLETT @ Your in MAIN! ; )
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 6/22/2009, 10:06 AM
Cool article dude, thanks for the shout out!

You know where i stand on a reboot. But you do make some interesting points for and against. I just think its far too soon. X4 can work, they dont even need to dwell on the changes so much, as long as they even make a bit of sense!
droopy1317
droopy1317 - 6/22/2009, 10:17 AM
i say no reboot. they've already too many x movies for a reboot. plus fox may be the ones bringing them out and we all know what that means. go on with 4. scott and jean didn't die. they were being held by mr sinister. there problem solved...Well just that one lol
CrookedJaw
CrookedJaw - 6/22/2009, 10:18 AM
CONTINUATION!!!! It does not need a reboot, the first two films were great! they should just pretend the third film never happened, and move on, make a number 4
vonstallin
vonstallin - 6/22/2009, 10:19 AM
Im with Rors on far too early for a reboot.
Great creative minds can get this shit back on track. All it takes is Cable the time traveler...

If it was left up to me, Id have him rewrite history...at least X-3.
Put the original team from the books in place (cyclops, Jean, ice man, beast n Angel,) followed by team two (wolverine, storm, colosus, night crawler etc)
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 10:26 AM
RESPECT THE ORIGINALS! ; )
jallanr
jallanr - 6/22/2009, 10:42 AM
keep the franchise goin, with the right people behind the scenes, i think they can get the x-men franchise back on top. Now I wasn`t as upset with x-3 as most were, not that it didn`t disappoint in some ways, but I really don`t see a reason to try and wipe it from the history books. I mean, with cable, a lot of things could go wrong, having him come back in time. Same with bishop. With cable, at least, they need to establish him in his own film(s) first. also, i agree that fantastic 4 should be rebooted (not darker, like stated earlier though) but why daredevil? I loved that movie! I wouldn`t mnd a change from affleck to someone else, but farrell and michael duncan clarke owned there parts. Now ive only seen the directors cut, so i don`t know if theres much different between that and the original, but still.
any ways, keep the x-men goin, i believe they can make it great
woo hoo!
jallanr
jallanr - 6/22/2009, 10:42 AM
keep the franchise goin, with the right people behind the scenes, i think they can get the x-men franchise back on top. Now I wasn`t as upset with x-3 as most were, not that it didn`t disappoint in some ways, but I really don`t see a reason to try and wipe it from the history books. I mean, with cable, a lot of things could go wrong, having him come back in time. Same with bishop. With cable, at least, they need to establish him in his own film(s) first. also, i agree that fantastic 4 should be rebooted (not darker, like stated earlier though) but why daredevil? I loved that movie! I wouldn`t mnd a change from affleck to someone else, but farrell and michael duncan clarke owned there parts. Now ive only seen the directors cut, so i don`t know if theres much different between that and the original, but still.
any ways, keep the x-men goin, i believe they can make it great
woo hoo!
mgalusick
mgalusick - 6/22/2009, 10:53 AM
I'm so tired of reboots so I say if you can't continue the franchise just let it go. But of course they are cash cows so the studios won't listen to reason.
selinakyle
selinakyle - 6/22/2009, 11:05 AM
omg..i don't think i can handle another x-men movie. They need to just stop and focus on something else.
StephenStrange
StephenStrange - 6/22/2009, 11:16 AM
A fine article, however perhaps too fine for this subject matter.
It seems highly apparent that Howlet04 is at least 10x smarter than the people making these movies and so whatever they do, it probably won't be as good as the options mapped out above.

The best we could possibly hope for at this point I think is that First Class turns into a reboot. If reception is good all around, maybe they will consider starting over right there and leaving the Singer/Ratner universe behind once and for all. But at this late date even that seems a meager and diminutive hope at this point.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 11:29 AM
Michael @ Man! The ORIGINAL TEAM ain't really a reboot is it!!! People will easily forget ANGEL in X3 and BEAST will be HUMAN in FIRST CLASS hopefully, as for ICEMAN he's gotta be in it too!

Why cant they just do a REAL ORIGINAL X-MEN stand alone film??? It wont hurt the Franchise if they do??? Anyhow's if ppl can accept WOLVERINE as an X-MEN movie! We have no problems!!! Gotta be the original five! Six.

Can still have your X4 (with CABLE) ; ) an your spin offs!

Why not???

True X-MEN FANS would sell their left nut for such a movie lol!!! ; D

Darth @ ; )
TheSentry
TheSentry - 6/22/2009, 11:49 AM
i would like to see x-men first class but keep to comic book story line thats means the chactors should be professor x, cyclops, iceman, beast, jean and angel and for the bad guy it should remain magneto since that was the main bad guy in the comics at the time. i want to see a x-men movie thats true to the comics
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 6/22/2009, 11:50 AM
Well im a true X fan, and i have no interest in seeing Cyclops and his amazing teenage friends foil Magnetos evil plots in a movie! It would be boring. They all went to school and were outcasts and Xavier thought them that its not a curse to have these powers and blah blah. Bottom line is the early X comics were no great shales until the new team came along with Wolvie, Storm, Sunfire etc.
bigshow2312
bigshow2312 - 6/22/2009, 12:36 PM
I dont wanna see any more origins, reboots, or 3 year gaps between these films! Go ahead and continue with 4 and 5/ they could do like Raimi and film both at the same time.

X-Men 4
IronMarvel
IronMarvel - 6/22/2009, 12:40 PM
I would only b in favor of a reboot if marvel had the rights. Then they could work it into their awesome film universe. Otherwise the films are good. All u people who thought wolverine was painful are exaggerating. There were unfaithful parts but it wasnt bad at all I loved it.
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 6/22/2009, 12:51 PM
DarthMulder - Thanks for the compliment man! Although this IS Fox your comparing my intelligence to!
dabo
dabo - 6/22/2009, 1:04 PM
Interesting piece. Killing off Scott was one (of many) of my major gripes with x-men 3. I know he's the rod up his butt leader but I quite like him and think that that balance is needed to allow wolverine to be the lovable anti-hero people so enjoy. Cyclops needs to be the leader so that wolverine can do his "screw the rules, I've got claws" stuff, unlike X3 where he was forced to take on an uncomfortable leadery role (especially with that mockery to acting Halle Berry as the only other leader figure! I wouldn't mind a recasting there!) And as someone once said in a comic "Sometimes I forget why Cyclops is in charge and then he blows a hole straight through a mountain with his eyes and I remember" :)
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 1:13 PM
Why does anyone want this franchise to carry on after WOLVERINE i don't know anyway lol! But im not saying you cant have that franchise with X4 an them spin offs, im just saying if they make FIRST CLASS from WOLVERINE BORIGINS it will SUCK an it will be the end of the friggin; franchise!!!

They are going to make FIRST CLASS, so you got a choice =

THE ORIGINALS (classic)

or

THE WOLVERINE TEEN 90210 crowd (SAD)

YOU DECIDE!!! ; )
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 6/22/2009, 1:37 PM
Good points but I dont think Fox has designed the X-Universe to have room for time travel just like they never really though out the sci fi elements of Fantastic 4 so no Bishop in my opinion. Reebooting can be avoided by having the new mutants or focusing on Rogue, Gambit, Iceman, Colossus etc. Regardless of Jackman's aage and appearance they'll still have the same problem with whoever plays wolverine, I'd rather see Jackman as Old Man Logan than have a Batman situation with 20 actors playing the same character.

We know Xavier is still alive...a body can be cloned, Jean can stay dead for a while while they introduce the proper Emma Frost. Cyclops fate can easily be explained with the mandatory X-men openning which occurs in the past have him found by Trask or Sinister, you can either have Sentinels or lead to Apocalypse. Reebooting sucks unless its down the Marvel way or Batman Begins way

I have no problem with Cinematic Liberties just stupid decisions why Juggernaut didnt fight Cyclops, or Leech wasnt used against Phoenix or Zero didnt absorb kinetic enrgy is beyond me, just imagine Zero vs Gambit
Shaman
Shaman - 6/22/2009, 2:06 PM
Great article Ron! I say go X-4 cause in my book, you start with the origins! They screwed up by not doing it but if i were runnin things i'd say "You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs! We broke plenty already so let's hit the frying pan while we're young!!!"
Inohaku
Inohaku - 6/22/2009, 2:16 PM
Continue
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 2:37 PM
WOLVERINE W*NKERINES! ; )

that's what they should've called it!!! : D
Piotr
Piotr - 6/22/2009, 3:40 PM
Leave time travel to Star Trek.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 6/22/2009, 5:06 PM
Great article, Howlett, I can't wait for part 2! As far as Reboot or X4, I have to go with option 3... Fox should do nothing at all. Whether they reboot or continue, we haven't seen anything from fox that would lead me to think that they'd do anything better than what they've already done. X-Men: First class is doomed from the start if it has to lead into X1, and prequals suck anyway. There's never really any suspense because you know how things will end up(though I think Star Trek got around it pretty good). If fox really wants to milk X-Ment to the very last drop, then sell the rights. That would fetch them a very pretty penny. Sell the rights back to Marvel. After Marvel is done with their Avengers Trilogy THEN reboot the X-Men in the Marvel movie Universe. That way more than enough time has passed since X-Men Origins: Wolverine.
JonF
JonF - 6/22/2009, 5:48 PM
You know I'M for the reboot!

First off, they need to start referring to Jean Grey as Marvel Girl to clear up the confusion - she and Phoenix were two separate beings!

Secondly, I loved the original X-Men! Throw in Havok, Polaris and Mimic and you've got yourself a wicked team! The originals aren't given enough respect! This would make introducing the new X-Men all the more exciting! The Beast needs to be furless - long time readers know that the Beast with fur is more closely associated with the Avengers and the Defenders!

The first film was hampered by budgetary concerns that are no longer an issue, so that is the biggest reason for advocating a reboot! Then we can start out with a real team and have their origins told the right way! I suggest X-Men Origins as the title!
VandalJ
VandalJ - 6/22/2009, 6:35 PM
Keep the series going. I like that idea about Bishop coming and bringing Cyclops to the future. Maybe that's what Bishop did when Jean's back was turned and she assumed she killed Cyclops and since he was in the future Xavier couldn't find him with cyrebro(unsure of spelling).

Is there a mutant who can take peoples' consciousness over and go into bodies? If there is that could explain Professor X showing up in that body on the operating table, when he was really in the future with Cyclops and Bishop.

The thing they seem to be doing I think is a bad idea is First Class. You can't have first class w/o Angel and Iceman. I don't see how they could possibly be in it.
TheMyth
TheMyth - 6/22/2009, 7:17 PM
I don't think any of the time travel stuff would translate well. While I am all for a Cable appearance, I think his introduction should be as simple as it was in the comics during X-Tinction Agenda, no one really knew where he came from yet, he was just a badass who showed to help save the day. The only time traveling I could see working would be a story involving the Hellfire Club incarnation that included Trevor Fitzroy, which would actually make for an incredible story. Fitzroy's hostile takeover of the Hellfire Club and the slaughter of Emma Frost's first class of Hellions, along with Bishop finally appearing. Anyway, lots of comments to read and lots of good points.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 7:45 PM
JonF @ Your so right buddy! ; )

Teabag @ you crack me up lol!!!
JeremyBentham
JeremyBentham - 6/22/2009, 8:12 PM
xmen, as far as movies are concerned, is done. with moving forward, anyway. stick with prequels and spinoffs instead. i still think they can make an intriquing magneto movie, just as long as they focus on the strong themes of prejudice and persecution. throw in the dynamic of xavier and magneto's vast differences, leading to the crumbling of their friendship...epic potential!!!

but as far as xmen 4...the franchise is beyond fixing i think. wolverine was better than any of the trilogy. make his sequel better than the first
cyclopstb
cyclopstb - 6/22/2009, 8:14 PM
NOOOOOOOOO REBOOT! NOT YET!!!!!!!!!

X4 must happen. I want Cyclops(James Marsden) back.

Here's what I want to see in X4.

1. Cyclops back on the team, flies the Blackbird(X-Jet), have a love scene with Jean(Real Jean Grey), fight evil mutants and Sinister(not just with his visor).

2. Storm,Iceman,Rogue,Beast, and Wolverine as they were.

3. Rogue becomes invulable and flies, began another relation with Gambit.

4.Colossus speaks a little more and battle Juggy.

5.Jubliee, Angel, and Gambit in X-Men uniforms.

6. Mystique back with the Brotherhood.

X4 must what happen. Before the actors will get to old for it. so NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Reboot.
Macksimus
Macksimus - 6/22/2009, 8:32 PM
Continuation.

No more Magneto. Bring on Sinister and Apoc, and introduce Cable.

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