RUMOR: Surprising, Controversial Details About Doctor Doom's AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY Backstory Revealed - SPOILERS

RUMOR: Surprising, Controversial Details About Doctor Doom's AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY Backstory Revealed - SPOILERS

A huge Avengers: Doomsday rumour claims to shed some light on Doctor Doom's backstory in the upcoming movie, and not only is it vastly different from the comics, but it could divide fan opinions...

By JoshWilding - Nov 08, 2025 06:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Doomsday

Original plans called for Avengers: Doomsday to be titled Avengers: The Kang Dynasty. In that version of the movie, Earth's Mightiest Heroes were set to assemble for a battle with Kang and his Variants in another Multiversal War. 

Marvel Studios abandoned the time-travelling villain after actor Jonathan Majors' legal troubles and the mixed response to Kang the Conqueror's portrayal in Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania. The decision was then made to pivot to Doctor Doom, and Robert Downey Jr. was cast to play him fresh off his Oscar win for Oppenheimer.

Despite a brief appearance in The Fantastic Four: First Steps, Avengers: Doomsday will be the first time we meet the MCU's Doom. He won't have a history with Marvel's First Family—not an on-screen one, at least—and hasn't encountered Earth-616's Avengers before. 

We still don't know what world Victor Von Doom is from, but scooper @MyTimeToShineH has just shared some surprising, potentially controversial details on the character's backstory. 

"Doom's family died in an explosion that also left his body damaged," the insider writes, teasing a bold new take on Doom in Avengers: Doomsday next December.

Fans of the comic will know that Doom's face was scarred when he built a device meant to help him rescue his mother's soul from hell. Reed Richards attempted to offer his college classmate some advice, which Doom ignored (still, he blamed Reed for the accident, creating a bitter rivalry). 

It's not that surprising to see Marvel Studios make some changes to the character's past, but Doom's entire body being injured—likely meaning he needs his suit to survive—feels a little Iron Man-inspired. This Doom Variant having lost his family promises to make him a somewhat sympathetic figure, too, which could divide opinions. 

We've known for a while that Downey is heavily involved in creating a backstory for Doom, as filmmaker Joe Russo previously said, "He is so immersed in it. He is so dialed in. He’s writing backstory, costume ideas… We were just on the phone with him this morning before we got here talking about it. He just loves really rich three-dimensional characters. He sees a real opportunity here with the character."

In related news, if you've seen this Avengers: Doomsday promo art floating around on social media, we can confirm that it's 100% fake...

Avengers: Doomsday officially stars Chris Hemsworth, Anthony Mackie, Winston Duke, Tom Hiddleston, Sebastian Stan, Letitia Wright, Paul Rudd, and Robert Downey Jr. Wyatt Russell, Simu Liu, Tenoch Huerta Mejia, Florence Pugh, Danny Ramirez, David Harbour, Hannah John-Kamen, and Lewis Pullman all make their Avengers franchise debuts in the movie. 

The Fantastic Four: First Steps leads Pedro Pascal, Vanessa Kirby, Ebon Moss-Bachrach, and Joseph Quinn join them, as do X-Men franchise stars Kelsey Grammer, Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Alan Cumming, Rebecca Romijn, James Marsden, with Deadpool & Wolverine star Channing Tatum.

Chris Evans, Hayley Atwell, and Ryan Reynolds are also set to appear, according to reports from the trades (if we listed the rumoured cast members here, we'd run out of space).

The Russo Brothers direct the movie from a screenplay by Stephen McFeely, with whom they previously collaborated on the Avengers and Captain America franchises. Loki and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness's Michael Waldron is also working on the script.

Avengers: Doomsday is set to be released on December 18, 2026, with Avengers: Secret Wars scheduled to arrive on December 17, 2027.

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SteviesRightFoo
SteviesRightFoo - 11/8/2025, 6:27 AM
Sounds pretty generic
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/8/2025, 6:48 AM
@SteviesRightFoo - It does but that makes it a more understandable motive for the GA thus if we're talking offscreen headcanon RDJ wrote to get into the role it need not be an issue IF any of this is true at all. It ultimately comes down to what he does as a result of his past, how well the actor sells the villainy of it all, how the heroes respond etc etc. The REASON why Doom does what he does is only ever realy gonna be a nitpick for nerds who are going to compare and cotrast to his comic origins.
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 11/8/2025, 9:26 AM
@SteviesRightFoo - it’s from MTTSH, so it’s more like an educated guess that was put together with some vague context clues.
But if true, it is pretty generic.
CrimsonComet40
CrimsonComet40 - 11/8/2025, 6:48 AM
So does he still blame Reed for the explosion? Because if not...

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RealTurner
RealTurner - 11/8/2025, 7:06 AM
Controversial! I'm shocked, sir, shocked!
SirReginald
SirReginald - 11/8/2025, 7:06 AM
!EXPLOSION!

Ow, my family die!

Becomes an angry tin of angry beans.
Matchesz
Matchesz - 11/8/2025, 7:21 AM
Sounds more like Darth Vader, doesnt matter though, they already think we need to see Robert Downey's face so he wont have the same aura
CrimsonComet40
CrimsonComet40 - 11/8/2025, 7:47 AM
@Matchesz - Which is kinda ironic since Darth Vader was based off of Doom
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 11/8/2025, 9:35 AM
@Matchesz - “…think we need to see Robert Downey’s face…”, I’m glad you brought that up. I agree, I don’t think we need to see Dooms face. Maybe an eventual reveal or something. They could’ve saved 50 million dollars on the budget by NOT having RDJ playing Victor unless his similarities to Stark are a big part of the plot, which we don’t know yet.
Lucasberg
Lucasberg - 11/8/2025, 10:37 AM
@CrimsonComet40 - true? That’s interesting if so
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 11/8/2025, 7:24 AM
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dragon316
dragon316 - 11/8/2025, 7:52 AM
Typical comic book set up origin
Fogs
Fogs - 11/8/2025, 8:26 AM
Should've retconned Kaecilius as Victor.
JayBarrick
JayBarrick - 11/8/2025, 10:20 AM
@Fogs - I have an entire storyline written about they could have pulled that out using the one who remains (Kang) as the tool for the retcon while also not needing to show any Kang again. It would have been the intro for the Next Avengers: God Loki would reach out to Thor to explain to him that something worse than Kang is coming. The while council of Kangs is found dead. Then we see a flashback of Dr. Strange and Clea finding a diying Mordo at the Dormmamnu dimension whose robes have been taken from him, his wounds too severe to heal. Turns out he had been lured out by Kaecilius, who remained a mindless one until the events of Loki S2. When Loki took control of the multiverse and allowed free will, he inadvertedly give some universes/timelines the chance to reshape as they would, should Kang not have previously erased them. That means four singularities matching the four basic elements appear in every universe (the F4), as in, that's a canon event in every timeline, it was meant to happen, and avoiding it was the real goal of the He Who Remains (and every other Kang, for the matter), for it would also mean the creation of its counterpart: DOOM. In every universe, four avatars of the force of creation, and one that balances them.

In the main MCU/Sacred Timeline, every trimmed branche was meant to avoid it.

So, the ultimate retcon is that the man destined to become Doom, who has studied both science and Mystic arts to master both had traveled to Kamar Taj, seeking wisdom from the Ancient One. The Ancient One used the Time Stone to see the posible futures: she took the less evil path. Had she gived him that kind of power would only make him an all powerful tyrant. Denying him of the knowledge he seeked would have caused Doom to start a world mystic war. The lesser of all the evils was to trick him, making him forget his identity and goals, and giving him a new personality as Kaecilius. So turns out, the Kaecilius of Dr. Stangre was Doom, Who even not knowing who he was, seeked power anyway. His while background as Kaecilius a lie created by the Ancient One so the events of Doctor Strange would come to happen. He Who Remains allowing this Timeline to existe as the Sacred one for it somehow prevented Doom from existing.

But after Loki S2, the ripple effects of free will undid everything, and the mindless one in Dormammu's dimensión, previously known as Kaecilius, suddenly remembers everything. He remembers his true purpose and his true name: Doom.

Enraged, his mind and ego hurt beyond comprehension, the mindless one gathered enought resources to hurt Dormmamnu himself, but he remained trapped in the Dark Dimensión. This event set up two other things - Clea went to the MCU looking for help (hence, the post-credit scene of DS:MM) while Mordo, learning about this on his hunt of people who use energy from the Dark Dimension, travelled there by himself. His mistake, for that way he created a bridge for Kaecilius/Doom to come back. He was severely wounded by Doom, who took his Green cloak and boots (and this, along with the scarring from his time as mindless one, sets up his starting physiscal appearance as classic Dr. Doom), who then leaves him and comes back to reclamin the political power of Sokovia (which we learn, was named Latveria before democracy came in and HYDRA settled in). And circling back, that's when Clea and Dr.Strange arrive to learn of this from the diying Mordo.

Somewhere else, in a different universe, the four elements that had been avoided all this time finally are allowed to exist, destined to face this Doom. These are the Fantastic Four from First Steps.

And that's it. Kang's gone, Kaecilius is retconed into Doom, the rivalry between Strange and Doom could be explored (alas, Doom & Triumph), Latveria and his political conections to Doom suddenly are a thing, and there is a coherente explanation as for why the F4 have not existed in the Sacred Timeline, and why Doom is now scarred and looking for revenge and control of the whole Multiverse.

Sorry I didn't writte in more detail, but it's kind of a long story, it would have taken a good chunk of a movie to put everything in its place. Hope you guys like it.

P.S: I also made some fan concept art of this Doom V1. based on the looks of Kaecilius, Mordo's wardrove, the scarring made from the Dark Dimension, and a rough script for all the events.
JayBarrick
JayBarrick - 11/8/2025, 10:28 AM
@JayBarrick - sorry for all the spelling mistakes, my native language is Spanish, I'm typing really fast and the keyboard corrector is not exactly helping haha
Fogs
Fogs - 11/8/2025, 11:12 AM
@JayBarrick - Nice one. To me it could be simpler: he's Doom all along and infiltrated Kamar Taj to have the powers to rescue his mother from hell. Since the Ancient One didn't see the future beyond her death, she thought she could've saved him from himself and ignored his imperfections and lies (just as she acted in DS1 after all).

They should've released a Triumph and Torment story before Doomsday to explain that.

Mikkelsen would've been a great Victor.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 11/8/2025, 8:31 AM
Cowards.
MuadDib
MuadDib - 11/8/2025, 8:43 AM
Letting actors right their own backstories for characters who have long been established.. great idea
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/8/2025, 9:15 AM
@MuadDib - I'm fine with it IF it is only for their headcanon to get into the mindset for a role, actualy including the backstory they wrote for themself as prep in the film itself is a whole other matter and should be the exception when they come up with something better than the source and/or writers, never the norm.
skyshark03191
skyshark03191 - 11/8/2025, 8:50 AM
I’m really not sold on this at all, nor would I be surprised if it were true.
DiegoMD
DiegoMD - 11/8/2025, 9:05 AM
Doom´s comic backstory is really unique. It would suck if they changed his unique backstory just to change it into a "he lost his planet / family / universe a la Superman or the countless similar origins he has inspired) just like they already did with Thanos.
SirReginald
SirReginald - 11/8/2025, 2:26 PM
@DiegoMD - It’s an amazing backstory that’s being wasted.
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 11/8/2025, 9:08 AM
He has no history with the Fantastic Four or Reed and has never fought the Avengers and his family died in an explosion that also left his body damaged.

So, he's not Doctor Doom.

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Bucky74
Bucky74 - 11/8/2025, 10:04 AM
@Feralwookiee - DINO

Doom In Name Only
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 11/8/2025, 11:40 AM
@Bucky74 - I like it. Lol
Yellow
Yellow - 11/8/2025, 12:43 PM
@Feralwookiee - well Thanos wasn't a simp for Lady Death so.......
DocSpock
DocSpock - 11/8/2025, 6:26 PM
@Bucky74 -

Good job!

LuquePL
LuquePL - 11/8/2025, 9:14 AM
As I said few days ago. I think we first met a damaged Doom and few minutes later we will back to Fantastic 4 scene. Doom is going to be healed by Franklin and he will be good looking Doom.
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 11/8/2025, 9:17 AM
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TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 11/8/2025, 9:52 AM
Interesting if true , I could buy that being this Doom’s backstory tbh…

As I’ve said , it reminds me of Iron Man:Armored Adventures where that version of Victor had no ties to the FF but was a member of the Latveria royal family who accidentally killed his fiancé and his mother in a science experiment that went wrong & also scarred his face.

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Like that take , Victor in this could be trying for a way to resurrect his family or just get his revenge on what he thinks caused the explosion as a means of avoiding the realization that it was his own fault akin to him blaming Reed in the comics.

Anyway , Doom in certain iterations whether it be comic wise or not is somewhat sympathetic & tragic due to the loss of his mother and his love Valeria amongst other things so the MCU infusing that element in their version works for me!!.
BobGarlen
BobGarlen - 11/8/2025, 9:56 AM
So, they're taking one of the most celebrated, famous, interesting, and well known supervillains: Doctor Doom, and they're altering his origin - which has been meticulously reworked over the last 60 years to be unique and impactful. They're replacing his classic origin, one of envy, jealousy, heartbreak, and the lack of humility with a generic "my family is dead" origin? Why? This isn't Doom. This isn't any proper version of Doom. This is blasphemy. They're essentially recycling Baron Zemo's MCU origin. This is as blasphemous as CEO Doom ('05) or Lost in Space Doom ('15). Cool costume or not they do not understand Doom.
J0RELLC00LJ
J0RELLC00LJ - 11/8/2025, 10:33 AM
Changing it up just like Thanos's motivations....

Has there been any mention of RDJ doing this with any kind of accent?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/8/2025, 2:21 PM
@J0RELLC00LJ - That'll be next. Full American like the last two failed attempts.
Fogs
Fogs - 11/8/2025, 11:14 AM
It's so frickin sad how I have little hype for this. My faith in the MCU diminished a lot lately. I'm hoping for the best but really expecting crappy films full of empty nostalgia ahead.
MarvelZombie616
MarvelZombie616 - 11/8/2025, 11:16 AM
I think Doomsdays first weekend will be huge and then it will drop really hard.
EducatedDefense
EducatedDefense - 11/8/2025, 11:49 AM
Oh yeah, this is incredibly controversial. Has anyone else noticed that for every article of Josh’s, the comic related topic is either “controversial” or “divisive.” Some are even BOTH! 🥱 🙄
Yellow
Yellow - 11/8/2025, 12:44 PM
They already changed Thanos motivations and we all ate that up so...
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 11/8/2025, 2:03 PM
"—and hasn't encountered Earth-616's Avengers before."

and he never will. Whoever they put in Sam's team are the bargain bin Avengers. They should have had a movie before this where that version of team was established.

It exactly how I wanted to see Doom. Up against a bunch or heroes no one cares about, with no connection to the FF, and a Tony Stark variant.

You what really would have been cool? To have Doom slide in with his time machine, right before Tony grabs the glove and kills Thanos. Then, using the TVA, he merges any branches and creates a new sacred timeline where he rules as Emporer Doom proving, he is better than Reed.

They could have reshot the scene with the new Steve, Tony and whoever else they recasted which would transition the audience to these actors.
RolandD
RolandD - 11/8/2025, 4:35 PM
Until we know, otherwise, this is just a rumor

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