Why casting Captain America was so difficult...

Why casting Captain America was so difficult...

Even though he's no Batman or Spider-Man, the buzz over who will play Captain America reached a fever pitch because he's the embodiment of the American flag and stands for the ideals of the United States.

Editorial Opinion
By wolverinept - Mar 26, 2010 05:03 PM EST
Filed Under: Captain America



Even for his fans, he is admittedly kind of dorky looking. The tri-hole ski mask with little wings set just above the exposed ears, the bold-faced “A” on his forehead, the scaly chain-mail shoulder wrap and the bright reds, whites and blues that make stealth operations impossible – and the costume is all finished off with a ostentatious pair of red buccaneer boots.

But come on . . that's why we love him so much!

In short, Captain America is a pretty ridiculous looking character, but even so, the media chatter has been at a fever pitch over who will fill those buccaneer boots on screen in the 2011 movie, The First Avenger: Captain America, in two subsequent sequels and in three-to-six installments of the Avengers multi-character super hero franchise from Marvel Entertainment.

Just as I was wrapping up this column, Chris Evans – the erstwhile Human Torch from The Fantastic Four movies – landed the gig carrying Cap’s shield amongst contenders that included Ryan Phillippe, Mike Vogel (Cloverfield), Channing Tatum (Dear John, G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra) and even John Krasinski from The Office.

It has been a few years since a casting decision gained so much coverage outside industry insider publications. The last big casting news may have been Christian Bale as Batman/Bruce Wayne in Batman Begins, Heath Ledger as Joker in The Dark Knight or maybe Chris Pine as Kirk in the new Star Trek.

Those actors were being cast to fill the very big shoes of fellow thesps (Adam West / Michael Keaton, Cesar Romero / Jack Nicholson / Mark Hamill, William Shatner) who delivered indelible performances of the characters they portrayed. So then, why all the buzz for Captain America, a hero who has never successfully made it on screen?

After all, the good Captain isn’t really the hero kids fantasize being as they might with Spider-Man. He’s not a bad boy like Wolverine, his backstory isn’t as familiar in the mainstream as Batman’s, and although he might share top billing alongside Superman in terms of history (and silliest costume), Supes has a slight edge over Cap because he is a man of steel who can fly, has heat vision and is invulnerable—compared to just being an ultimate athlete pumped up with Super Soldier serum and vita-rays who wields a two-and-a-half foot indestructible Vibranium-Adamantium shield.

Still, Captain America is the Sentinel of Liberty and in the top four or five most important comic book super heroes, ever. He is literally the living (OK, fictional) embodiment of the American flag who stands for the ideals of the United States.

Yes, I know we’re talking about comic book characters here, but those figures from the funny pages have replaced religion as our new American myths. For better or worse, religious beliefs are such a personal topic that to even whisper the word “myth” when talking about someone’s religion is a good way to start a fight, it seems. Not to go all Joseph Campbell here (although I wish I had the chops to do so), the result of the untouchable religious myth is a lack of titans and lower-case “g” gods to tell stories of—and to teach lessons about honor, achievement and failure with. Thus, our comic book and pop-culture heroes have become our mythology.

As a result, Superman is the ultimate immigrant allegory, and the first super hero. Batman is both the orphan story and a symbol of philanthropy. Spider-Man is the everyman and the perpetually troubled teen. The X-Men are the civil rights heroes, and the Fantastic Four stands for a family that sticks together against all odds.

Captain America, however, is patriotism personified even if he started as a Hitler-punching figure of propaganda. Marvel technically owns the character (although the estate of Jack Kirby—Cap’s co-creator along with Joe Simon – is
fighting for a cut of that ownership), but his myth belongs to the citizenry.

So far, the Captain has been frozen, fired and killed but he keeps returning, and instead of being a stooge for any political power, he operates under the Mark Twain maxim of “Loyalty to the country always; loyalty to the government when it deserves it.” Even his weapon of choice, a shield, is primarily one of defense against threats and is something of a super hero symbol of the Monroe Doctrine. Cap also stands for the reconciliation and unity of all Americans under the flag. If you think that’s not an especially crucial mission right now, take a look at the recent nastiness that’s been spawned from healthcare debates and political posturing.

Cap is a symbol of the best of America, and symbols have to sometimes be giant, colorful or even rock buccaneer boots and a goofball outfit to get our attention. He’s a one-man Fourth of July parade and a personification of apple pie and baseball (pre-high fructose corn syrup and steroids).

That’s why the casting of Captain America has been a hot topic. Even if the character doesn’t have the same sex appeal and box office mojo of other heroes, no one wants to see the pop-culture scion of Lady Liberty and Uncle Sam be tainted by a subpar performer. To screw this one up is the cinematic equivalent of letting a flag touch the ground. No pressure there, Chris Evans.

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Wadey09
Wadey09 - 3/26/2010, 7:23 PM
@Wolverineinept
awesome article man!
y'know i was shocked when most of my family hasn't heard of Cap?
who'da thunk it? i'm like one of the biggest film, book, and comic junkies in the state of Florida, and my family hasn't even heard of one of the most influential fictional characters since Uncle Sam himself!
DaenerysTargaryen
DaenerysTargaryen - 3/26/2010, 8:19 PM
That pic of Cap is just soo weird. I like the attractive Cap not this imposter! lol
Scorpioxfactor
Scorpioxfactor - 3/26/2010, 9:51 PM
Great article WPT. Cap is not a character to mess up. There is alot riding on this, and if botched, will take years and years to recover from. YEARS!!
Scorpioxfactor
Scorpioxfactor - 3/27/2010, 12:50 AM
You know, it's true. Even though Captain America is not as popular as Batman or Superman in the mainstream,
it still would make a mess of Marvel Movies. Especially any tie in's with the Avengers. I said it before somewhere else and I'll say it again here. Someone brought up that
Marvel movies should be like James Bond. There could always be a different actor every three films or so and you don't have to keep doing origins every reboot. That is with every movie. But if they did that with Superhero movies, we could just have crossovers galore from any book the X-men to the F4 to Cap to Avengers to Spidey to Daredevil & Hulk. The possiblities are endless. But that is wherein lies me buckos. We have limitless ideas, but no money. While the movie execs have all the money and no ideas. Ironic huh? :(
Paulley
Paulley - 3/27/2010, 4:22 AM
Great article..

If they portray that living symbol aspect just right i would be surprised if Captain America becomes a national icon to the general public very quickly
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 3/27/2010, 5:57 AM
WOLVIE @ Cool stuff dude, thumbs up!!

Yeah i still think EVANS is a lazy choice but he'll do the role justice!!!

Like i've said even though FF2 hasn't long been out (3 years) another one or two, an he'll be cool!

I know exactly why MARVEL took so long, it was down to they wanted their own pick, just like SKULL (if WEAVING has it), they did not want any internet pick (FAN-FIC) whatsoever!!

(Maybe us fans are hurting ourselves lol??)

I think if the NET wasn't about we would have a different CAP right now, i truly do!!

(They more-or-less have said that in quite a few interviews!)

Maybe that goes for the GREEN LANTERN picking too!

My 2 cents and cool dude!
jusme6
jusme6 - 3/27/2010, 9:31 AM
Great article Wolvie! You summed it up real well. I definitely wanted a good actor who could not only look and play the part, but be an honorable representative of my homeland's ideals. This casting choice is one that hits home A LOT MORE than Wolverine, Spider-Man, Supes, or Batman for that very reason.

@Della: I agree with you. I think what Wolverine was talking about was not so much how difficult it was for Marvel to cast Cap, but more how difficult it was for us to accept whatever casting choice they did come up with. Does that make sense? In other words the casting was difficult for us, not for Marvel.
contrast
contrast - 3/28/2010, 12:14 AM
This was wonderfully written, and incredibly well thought out. Great job.
Starjammer
Starjammer - 3/28/2010, 12:21 AM
I gotta say some of this doesn't sound as much like the real Cap to me. Anyone who's a big cap fan knows he's the patriarch of all heroes within the marvel universe and THE hero all should aspire to and look up to. Never once have I thought of Cap as dorky; more like untouchable. He is the pinnacle of human potential, but more importantly he is the pinnacle of virtue, passion, justice, and heart. He is the representation of what America (or any nation for that matter) SHOULD ideally be.

I think I might shed a tear...
contrast
contrast - 3/28/2010, 1:16 AM
@starjammer--he said the costume was dorky...which, until resent artists have made it look wonderful by adding detail and texture, it did, sort of...(I mean look at him, or any character from the 40s, and tell me they don't look "dorky" by today's standards) He's also talking about how Cap is viewed by an average movie-going audience.
NERO
NERO - 3/28/2010, 1:28 AM
Awesome article man, I think you hit the nail on the head.

And Scorp, I'm glad to hear someone liked my postings about treating CBMs like Bond films with a continuing story that are loosely tied together so that the styles and creative direction can change as can the actors and directors, but the character need not "reboot" every time that happens, if the execs would realize that then we would not be in reboot hell.

I also say that CBMs should not be lashed to a director to the point that when one leaves it is seen as the end of the series, as so many people assumed was the case with Spiderman and X-Men, though that is really not a good example when you look at X3, but with the films like Spiderman depending on the tone of the story one could have a lighter director for the origin and teen years and a very dark one to tell the tales involving villains like Venom and Carnage.

The main reason I think this is the way to go is it better simulates that stasis of time that comics so easily accomplish, 70 of our years only marking the passage of perhaps ten in their world, as Sipderman showed after three films scattered over nearly ten years the actors soon surpass the age of their characters. Had Spidey 4 gone on I think we would have had a hard time believing Maguire was a man in his early 20's. That same stasis is present in the Bond films as if it all exists in its own little pocket of time, the outside world moves forward and so does the world around them, though they live in their own unchanging vacume

In the end as Marvel eventually regains the rights to its properties I think that we should see one final "Marvel reboot" of each series and then a continuation from then on. This means we will see a double reboot in the future of Spiderman, the current one under Webb, and then a final Marvel reboot in a few more years, and the same for Fox's FF reboot.

In the end once everything comes home to roost under Marvel/Disney it could lead to a full and totally integrated Marvel Film Universe to mirror Marvel Comics. It may take another 15 years to accomplish this.
Starjammer
Starjammer - 3/28/2010, 2:06 AM
@Contrast-Very true, I mostly tend to think of the Ed Brubaker/Steve Epting Cap style which I have come to love. It will be interesting and very cool seeing how it all pans out next year on the big screen. From what I hear about the synopsis it sounds like the "dorkiness" will play out pretty nicely as he finds himself.

Please be amazing Chris Evans...
Starjammer
Starjammer - 3/28/2010, 2:12 AM
@NERO--Very cool thoughts, I thought of the same thing, actually. In this new universe Marvel Studios is creating, Iron Man and these first Avengers could very well be seen as the first true group of superheroes, with others like spiderman and FF following later. They're obviously setting it up as a new concept, like when Fury has to let Stark know that there are others like him and he's part of a growing universe. Mutants could be in there somewhere too, but not exactly seen as "heroes" yet. I like the concept, but I soon get depressed when I think of it taking 15 years...ouch. Here's to hoping for 6 movies/year in the future heh...
CapsUnknownSidekick
CapsUnknownSidekick - 3/28/2010, 8:33 AM
Very well written article. Thanks for posting it.
foxfan
foxfan - 3/28/2010, 9:32 AM
this is an excellent opinion piece, great work, i enjoyed reading it. long live Captain America!
JYCowboy
JYCowboy - 3/28/2010, 9:49 AM
You come so close to expressing what Cap represents but it goes much deeper, believe it or not. He's a man out of time looking at his America as a mutated shell of what he was raised with. Think to what America was based on in the 20's and 30's. What did folks value in a person? These myths might be new religion but they were inspired from the religions of before. Here's a scary question: How would have Cap responded to 9-11? Think Pearl Harbor and you might come close. The other thing about this character you need to add is he is not PC. He will call it like he knows it.

If Evans is Cap, I just hope he understands the depth he needs to take the roll against the producers wishes.

Good read and thanks for posting.
Vital
Vital - 3/28/2010, 10:29 AM
I hope they make it very inspirational, like what Cap does impacts the entire country. So have it part ending of Watchmen (changes the world basically) and part ending of Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey (people are inspired by them).
SentinelofLiberty
SentinelofLiberty - 3/28/2010, 1:05 PM
Wolvie...AWESOME article! I don't agree with everything in it, but almost all of it. And the pic of Cap...he looks like he's working for UPS or FedEx, judging by the size of that package he's delivering...but I digress... Kudos to you for the work and the love that obviously went into this article.

As for the "dorky" thing, I sadly understand exactly what you're saying. I started out in comics mostly because of Spider Man and Batman, until I discovered my first Cap read, when Batroc stole his shield! Who was this awe-inspiring, Harley-riding, two-fisted, flag-draped masked man!?!? I was intrigued. Some time after, I picked up "War and Remembrance," and I was obsessed. He mirrored everything I believed in. Fervent patriotism, to country, but always maintaining a healthy willingness to question those in power. I keep my avatar photo because that is when Cap is delivering to Spidey his "River of Truth" speech. This guy is perfect! However, if you go out in the general public in today's day and age and talk about patriotism in the Cap mold, you're going to get ridiculed. Those kinds of sentiments are "dorky." People want anti-heroes, and they don't want any kind of nationalistic feelings. That's why Wolvie, Punisher, Batman, etc. are so much more popular than Cap in the mainstream. What he represents and what he espouses (and how he espouses it) are truly seen as "dorky" by the mainstream.

And Cowboy, you hit my wishes right on the head. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I hope Evans takes this role and its nuances as seriously as Bale did in Batman Begins and TDK. As a fanboy, it warmed my heart to see someone actually care about the REAL story under the Batman/Bruce Wayne mystique. Cap is such a rich character psychologically, a Bale-esque take on Cap would be phenomenal.

As my final aside, has anyone watched the first two episodes of The Pacific? If so, how about the kid who plays "Gene" for pre-Super Soldier Cap? The kid has already shown EXACTLY how I picture Steve Rogers. He is so eager to join, and so deflated when the Dr tells him he has a heart murmur and is unfit to serve. He conveys everything I always imagined Rogers felt. Plus, I think he is passable as a "pre-buffed" Evans.

Sorry for the length of this comment, and its rambling nature. But again, kudos on the work, Wolvie! Thanks for this treat of a work on a Sunday morning!
superman7
superman7 - 3/28/2010, 4:25 PM
I think they should go with the cap uniform from the ultimates
superman7
superman7 - 3/28/2010, 4:26 PM
And the scaly armor can be explained very easily in today. It could just be a variation of the 'DragonSkin' armor being used today.
CyberA
CyberA - 3/28/2010, 7:15 PM



OSCURO@: If you're talking about The Green Lantern when you mention Ryan Reynolds, then I don't understand. Why do you think Ryan's a lazy choice for that character.

AND

I somewhat agree with you about Chris Evans. Although, I am still willing to see if maybe he can actually pull of playing this character and hopefully playing him well.



RockNRollCC
RockNRollCC - 3/28/2010, 8:25 PM
i'm proud of you @LEEE

you got over the Chris Evans casting sorta.

somethin's better than nothin :)
Ranger14
Ranger14 - 3/28/2010, 9:02 PM
Nice article! Evans as the lazy choice? What is that based on? Inside Marvel info? Evans was rumored for the part last May. Whose to say they haven't been looking at him for a long time and kept it quiet until now? With all the testing of the names they did, I can hardly see how he got the part above anyone else. He wasn't my first choice, but I don't buy into the "lazy choice" theory.
jimmyfinn
jimmyfinn - 3/28/2010, 10:49 PM
I thinks he's an awesome choice for cap, he can act and has the look for him, can anyone seriously even consider the other two contenders, one was a dancer and the other looks like he's just outta rehab. just a small video i found of chris evansdurng sunshine, should sway a few people who are sat on the fence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slXJ_YZDCCI
GreenSuperBatLantern
GreenSuperBatLantern - 3/28/2010, 11:12 PM
Great Article.

Cap is My number 1
Im a rock recording artist and I keep a Photo him with cuz i think he is the embodiment of the Hero Mindset
Scorpioxfactor
Scorpioxfactor - 3/29/2010, 3:11 AM
WPT-"Even for his fans, he is admittedly kind of dorky looking." I see alot of people are confused, but I think you are talking about people who think that way whether Cap fans for not. I get you. The Diehard Cap fans get you. The Capfans who would give their life for that costume understand you. LOL. I am sorry. I just couldn't help to laugh. CBM, what a great place to be to talk about things I love most, comics.

Sentinel-You didn't bore anybody. Especially me. I love Captain America fans. I love all people. But Cap fans are can really see through my eyes.

Cap is a real genuine True American Hero. He inspires us all to do better in our lives and to help others as well. I get tired of people saying Cap stinks. So what, you follow your ideals and I'll follow mine guy..which is Cap.
Somedays at my job, I think of what would Cap do? I need to be a leader at what I do. But I am not Cap. He still gives me hope though. Even is the movie flops, I will still be a Cap A. fan. But if it really does crash and burn, one day, there will really be a Captain America movie that would seriously be big production and big stars and have the story and everything we dreamed about as Cap fans from day one. It will be big. Please don't give up my fellow Cap fans out there. I'm with you all the way.

Nero-I knew it was somebody here that said that and hopefully they would speak out. I wouldn't want to take someone else's idea. Thanks for letting me know it was you.

Starjammer-Right on!
Generaldarkside1976
Generaldarkside1976 - 3/31/2010, 8:51 AM
I do think Captain America has always been overlooked by guys like Superman, Batman, Wolverine, Spiderman and the X Men. I think that actually has been Marvel's fault though. Why didn't they make morning cartoon's about Captain America in the 90s? I think they fumbled the ball a little bit with a legendary character. I just hope the movie will be great and Cap will finally recieve his do. The difficulties in having a character who fights for America in the current world situtation with terrorism, and the wars going on is what can make him great right now for the modern audience. What a story to be told!

Someone once said a Super Hero is only as great as his weakness, its what makes them believable. For Cap seeing through Red White and Blue eyes could really make a strong movie. I hope Marvel gets it right. The extremism of the Nazis compared to the extremism in the world today is very similar. Go Cap Go!
Waynethebruce10
Waynethebruce10 - 3/31/2010, 6:24 PM
I'm with Magic8. Evans is an uninspired and lazy studio choice. Bale worked as BM because he wasn't more famous than the character. Evans isn't more famous, but I'm going to have a really hard time seeing him as anything but the Human Torch. Can't we just get someone that isn't that famous so I can concentrate on the character and not the superstardom of some actor. It's bad enough they let Affleck be DD and Clooney (choking) be BM. The studio should just concentrate on a kickass script, great director and good supporting cast to help the right guy. Not the easy, we've worked with him before guy.
Waynethebruce10
Waynethebruce10 - 3/31/2010, 6:28 PM
As for the costume, it's a bit different than most I guess. But it's all his. I really hope they don't turn this into a "Saving Private Ryan with Superpowers" movie. I really want to see the costume!
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