A Killer BATMAN? Comic Book Writer Grant Morrison Makes A Case For Why That Should NEVER Happen

A Killer BATMAN? Comic Book Writer Grant Morrison Makes A Case For Why That Should NEVER Happen

While it hasn't always been the case on screen, the comic book version of Batman has a strict no-kill rule. Now, Batman/Deadpool writer Grant Morrison makes a case for why the hero should stick by it...

By JoshWilding - Oct 20, 2025 02:10 PM EST
Filed Under: DC Comics
Source: Bleeding Cool

Should superheroes kill? It's a question that continues to be hotly debated among comic book fans, but everyone can agree that there are some characters who should never take a life. Spider-Man is one, and Batman is undoubtedly another. 

The Caped Crusader frequently killed crooks when he was first introduced, often in quite brutal fashion. As DC Comics moved into the 1940s, Nazis became his main target, and it took years after that for his no-kill, no-guns rule to be firmly established as "canon."

On screen, Batman has frequently murdered. Tim Burton's Dark Knight didn't hold back, while much has been said about the hero's decision to let Ra's al Ghul perish at the end of Batman Begins. Unsurprisingly, Zack Snyder's Batman killed indiscriminately and, controversially, wielded a few firearms.

Comic book writer Grant Morrison has written a lot of Batman comics, including the upcoming crossover featuring Bruce Wayne and Marvel's Merc with a Mouth, Deadpool (Batman/Deadpool #1 goes on sale next month).

During a recent Reddit AMA, he weighed in on why Batman doesn't—and should never—kill his foes:

"If Batman kills he becomes a crazy criminal in a weird costume and Jim Gordon would have to hunt him down and bring him to justice. The glory of Bruce Wayne is that he refuses to be a killer. He has trained in every martial arts discipline in order to not have to kill and that's what makes him mad and magnificent, and a superhero."

"He's fine with intimidation and injury, of course, but killing his enemies would destroy him. He catches bad guys and leaves them trussed up outside the nearest precinct, so that the legal system can take care of them... if the legal system lets them loose, he catches them all over again..."

Much has been said over the years about whether Batman needs to kill those he locks up in Arkham Asylum, particularly when someone like The Joker repeatedly breaks free. Like many villains, not only does the Clown Prince of Crime target those close to Batman, but innocents often suffer, as well. 

Still, if Batman crossed that line, it does somewhat feel like he becomes no better than those he's attempting to protect Gotham City from. Whether the Caped Crusader should kill in self-defence is another matter, and that's certainly something we've seen on the page many times. 

Do you think Batman should kill? Let us know your thoughts in the comments section. 

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HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 10/20/2025, 2:46 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - Every tard points to this but do you know what they ignore?

Michael Keaton's Batman killing his enemies in two movies directed by Tim Burton. One time, he shoved a bomb down a clown's pants, pushed him off camera where he exploded, and then smiled when he died.

I guess you forgot that. Like people like you forgot when a powered Christopher Reeves Superman tortured a depowered Zod by crushing every bone in his hand and then throwing him down an icy pit to his death, or laughing after Lois Lane punched out Ursa who then also fell into the same icy pit to her death.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 10/20/2025, 3:01 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - User Comment Image

....Also Batman

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HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 10/20/2025, 3:19 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - This is the Batman which many fans consider to be their definitive Batman.
WalletsClosed
WalletsClosed - 10/20/2025, 3:26 PM
@HashTagSwagg - Dude killed more people in this one scene than Affleck's Batman could ever hope to kill
Kadara
Kadara - 10/20/2025, 3:30 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - Yeah Batman has always been a psycho way before Zack Snyder got his hands on him lol!
dragon316
dragon316 - 10/20/2025, 3:45 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - sad not one fan never mentions original movies of Superman and Batman killing ?si=9Ei2BLHltCGQUKFc
dragon316
dragon316 - 10/20/2025, 3:47 PM
@dragon316 - ?si=Jg2Om6bvh5UJjxvE
TheRevelation
TheRevelation - 10/20/2025, 4:16 PM
@HistoryofMatt - Precisely. The head canon lol. This why Jason Todd is always curious about that Joker exception.

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Huskers
Huskers - 10/20/2025, 4:21 PM
@HistoryofMatt - yea agree with you on Tim Burton’s Batman, but Christopher Reeve’s Superman never killed. In the extended version that ran on tv it showed the Phantom Zone criminals being apprehended by the authorities. So bit of a stretch to say he murdered them. Clearly that wasn’t the director’s intent and it doesn’t fit at all with Reeve’s portrayal of the character.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/20/2025, 4:31 PM
@TheRevelation - "phuck batman" and "lights out bitch" will always bee tied to these characters in my head canon and for that I thank the titans show.
Huskers
Huskers - 10/20/2025, 4:35 PM
@dragon316 - Christopher Reeve's Superman never killed. In the extended version that ran on tv it showed the Phantom Zone criminals being apprehended by the authorities. So bit of a stretch to say he murdered them. Clearly that wasn’t the director’s intention and it doesn’t fit with how the character was portrayed in the films at all.
TheRevelation
TheRevelation - 10/20/2025, 4:37 PM
@harryba11zack - It had its moments. Esai as Deathstroke is good, more so than Arrow Slade in my opinion. We'll never know about "The Perfect Deathstroke" as he only got a few minutes a photo shoot.
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 10/20/2025, 5:19 PM
@HistoryofMatt - Depending on one's definition of what is and isn't considered "canon" but, a deleted scene from the original SUPERMAN 2 (which made it onto TV versions) shows the 3 still very much alive evil Kryptonians being arrested and taken-away by the Arctic Patrol following the Fortress of Solitude battle. But I get your point... 🤓
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 10/20/2025, 5:54 PM
@Huskers - You tards always bring up "the extended version."

That's not canon. What's canon is what's in the theater. What's in the theater is Superman torturing Zod before killing him.

Stop making excuses. It happened. It's what we all knew for 30 years.
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 10/20/2025, 5:56 PM
@SuperiorHeckler - Not canon. What's in the theater is what's canon. Superman killed Zod. Not because he had to, because Zod was depowered and a threat to no one. He tortured Zod and then killed him.

Nothing like in Man of Steel where Superman literally had no choice. It was either kill Zod or let him kill that family, and then, once Zod became as strong as Superman was, be able to kill Superman with his genetically superior soldier skills and then kill billions of people.
JobinJ
JobinJ - 10/20/2025, 6:00 PM
@dragon316 - don’t forget about the Batman Robert Patterson’s Reckless Highway Chase trying to catch the penguin that caused a massive car pile up and explosion that had to have killed at least 15 or 20 people.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 10/20/2025, 6:39 PM
@HistoryofMatt @HashTagSwagg @dragon316 - I don't like Keaton killing either, but Affleck was straight up Punisher. He has like 4 times the body count and was far more direct and brutal. I can also be more lenient on the Burton movies because they were the first Batman movies and came out at a time when superhero movies were still being figured out and weren’t bound to strict comic canon. Also, at the time, there wasn't a strong mainstream understanding of Batman's no-kill rule. It wasn't until Batman TAS and the Nolan movies where it became more prominent in public perception and engrained in the character's identity. At that point, Snyder should have known this. Portraying a Batman who kills felt like a deliberate rejection of what most people understood Batman to stand for in the modern age. Matt Reeves understood the assignment.

As for Supes, tossing Zod and Co into a crevice doesn't mean they died. And in the three hour television cut, we actually see them being arrested afterwards. Whether you want to count that as canon or not because it's not in the theatrical cut is up to you, but Superman and Lois being killers was not part of Donner's original intentions.

HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 10/20/2025, 7:08 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - AGAIN... deleted scenes and alternate versions are not canon.

Superman TORTURED Zod by crushing every bone in his hands and then he killed Zod. And then he laughed after Lois killed Ursa. He didn't try to save Non.

You tards make up the dumbest excuses and the worst, most farcical circular logic to try to gaslight what we all saw with our own eyes.

Superman and Batman killed their enemies long before Zack Snyder. DEAL WITH IT.
ClungeOfSteel
ClungeOfSteel - 10/21/2025, 4:09 AM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - those are kills by proxy 😂😭 if you study the scenes you posted Batman shoots the vehicles that then explode, there for the vehicles killed them lmfao 😭😭😭
CBMSTAR
CBMSTAR - 10/21/2025, 10:24 PM
@HistoryofMatt - There is a deleted scene in Superman 2 not shown in the theatrical version on Youtube. After the villains were depowered and defeated, the Arctic Patrol rounded them up, along with Luthor, for prison transport. No, Superman did not kill them or anyone else in the movie
HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 10/21/2025, 10:42 PM
@CBMSTAR - IF IT IS A DELETED SCENE IT DID NOT HAPPEN.

Why are all you tards the same? What is canon is what was shown in the theater. In the theater, Superman TORTURED Zod and then coldly killed him.

Deal with it.
Corruptor
Corruptor - 10/20/2025, 2:42 PM
If the line has already been crossed into vigilantism, we could also say he's no better than his foes if he gives them a good beating but leaves them alive.
Humperdink
Humperdink - 10/20/2025, 2:52 PM
@Corruptor -

If the line has already been crossed into vigilantism, we could also say he's no better than his foes


His foes usually aren't other vigilantes. They're mostly psychotic murderous psycho/sociopaths.

Not arguing that vigilantism is ideal but someone like Killer Croc or Two-Face isn't a vigilante.
MrEngrish
MrEngrish - 10/20/2025, 2:44 PM
Rets keep it that way. That one reason why I no rike Affreck Batman.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 10/20/2025, 2:50 PM
@MrEngrish - that comment makes your username ironic.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 10/20/2025, 3:02 PM
@lazlodaytona - *iconic
dragon316
dragon316 - 10/20/2025, 3:48 PM
@MrEngrish - ?si=Jg2Om6bvh5UJjxvE
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 10/20/2025, 3:51 PM
@KennKathleen - User Comment Image
MrEngrish
MrEngrish - 10/20/2025, 3:58 PM
@dragon316 - That no justify Affreck.
MrEngrish
MrEngrish - 10/20/2025, 3:59 PM
@HashTagSwagg - Why picture of Keke Parmer?
Lokiwasright
Lokiwasright - 10/20/2025, 2:53 PM
Why can't there be a batman that kills out of many reboots, films and cartoons?
MaxPaint
MaxPaint - 10/20/2025, 4:22 PM
@Lokiwasright - There are more than a few versions of that. But people like to sell their own narrative.

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centaur
centaur - 10/20/2025, 4:44 PM
@MaxPaint - User Comment Image
mck13
mck13 - 10/20/2025, 3:01 PM
Whats funny is thats not what WE WANT! I LOVED BEN AFFLECT BATMAN! I understood he was an old & retired Batman who lost Robin. etc & just saw an alien introduce himself to the world.....Ben Affleck Batman has the BESTR FIGHT SCENES out of ANY BATMAN whether it's film or cartoon! Even the GOAT BATMAN says Ben Affleck Batman's THE BEST ON FILM!
UltimaRex
UltimaRex - 10/20/2025, 3:12 PM
Comics? No.

Live action? It depends.

Like it or not, Burton broke the rule back in '89. So that really depends on context now.

I don't expect the DCU Batman to kill.
JobinJ
JobinJ - 10/20/2025, 6:01 PM
@UltimaRex - every movie version of Batman killed, including Christian Bale. As well as Patterson. The Penguin Chase reckless car chase that caused a massive car pile up an explosion had to kill at least 30 people.
UltimaRex
UltimaRex - 10/21/2025, 8:50 AM
@JobinJ - True.

I still don't expect the DCU Batman to kill.
WalletsClosed
WalletsClosed - 10/20/2025, 3:25 PM
Nonsense and this is only held as a double standard against Snyder. Before him, no one cared. For Christ sakes, Burton's Batman was a mass murderer with a smile on his face and Bale's Batman was a hypocrite who killed multiple times before AND after the Joker. Throughout all of Live action history, Batman has killed. The only ones that didn't are Clooney and Pattinson, the worst Batmen. There's not a conincidence. This rule doesn't work in live action for someone like Batman. For Superman? Maybe, but for Batman, a vigilante with no powers? It doesn't make sense. The rule was made in the comics because of the Comics Code Authority and butthurt grandmas didn't want their kids reading a killer. But Batman, killer or not, is still a hero. The same way a police officer that kills a violent aggressive criminal (legally ofc) would be seen as one. The no kill rule (For Batman) is a rule that should stay in the comics.

Reboot the MCU and DCU
dragon316
dragon316 - 10/20/2025, 3:52 PM
@WalletsClosed - what about super villians ?

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