BATTLE POLL: Captain America (without shield) VS Batman (no gadgets)

BATTLE POLL: Captain America (without shield) VS Batman (no gadgets)

Being one of the most controversial comic book character battles ever, I figured I'd make a Captain America vs Batman battle poll with an added stipulation..Captain America without his trademark shield and Batman without his variety of gadgets. Who will come out on top in this hand-to-hand bout? The Sentinel of Liberty or the Dark Knight?

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By SageMode - Aug 14, 2011 12:08 AM EST
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While these two have fought before in the Marvel vs DC, Batman & Captain America (Elseworlds) and JLA / Avengers crossover, we as comic book fans never had the privilege of seeing these two iconic superheros in a full-fledged fight in which an unbiased decisive victory was confirmed. Well, in this article, I have pitted Marvel's Captain America and DC's Batman against each other but without their weapons, going off of sheer physical prowess, fighting skills, and strategic genius. Who do you see as the victor?


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marvel72
marvel72 - 8/14/2011, 2:53 AM
captain america super soldier

batman super douche bag
ScionStorm
ScionStorm - 8/14/2011, 3:27 AM
20 votes for Bat-Man even though Captain America doesn't get muscle fatigue, who can run a mile in a minute and bench press 1200 pounds?
ScionStorm
ScionStorm - 8/14/2011, 3:39 AM
Captain America is worthy of wielding Mjolnir. So has Superman and Wonderwoman.
ScionStorm
ScionStorm - 8/14/2011, 3:43 AM
^That actually has nothing to do with this topic. Ignore my second post.
BrotherQStark
BrotherQStark - 8/14/2011, 7:14 AM
@Marvel72 is right

Cap is the perfect human, so it makes sense he can take down your Batman
ROMACK
ROMACK - 8/14/2011, 8:10 AM
Cap would beat Bats like a Pimp beats a hooker.
captainrogers
captainrogers - 8/14/2011, 9:49 AM
Bats TRAINED himself to be at the UTMOST or MAXIMUM capacity of what his NATURAL body can be. Which by normal standards is amazing.
Cap on the other hand his LITERALLY the PEAK in ALL AREAS. Which, makes him STRADDLE the SUPERHUMAN category.
And I'm Speaking of 616 CAP, NOT Ultimate.
DO we really know how strong the strongest human is? Probably not. But CAP is it, (mayhaps a smidge more)
FASTEST? MOST AGILE?
Can Bats be as strong as CAP? SURE. But his speed and mobility go right out the window, as he would most likely end up being built akin to Bane.
Because Normal human physiology doesnt lend it self to reaching Human maximums in all areas. Bats has balanced himself at his abilities.
Caps Super Soldier Serum, however really imposes no such limits.
Also, Bruce, in what little spare time he has is tinkering with new devices, running a multi-national conglomerate, and keeping up the false "playboy" facade.
oh, and he has to train to maintain.
what do we usually see Cap doing, when he's not out fighting his or the Avengers rougues gallery?
Training. ALMOST ALWAYS TRAINING. Although he already has the PERFECT PERFORMANCE body, the man STILL tries and IMPROVE.
And YES. Batman is BRILLIANT. Absolutely BRILLIANT.
But the serum has also affected an already street smart kid's (Steve) brain to work extemely fast. I'm sure if cap went about going to learn about chemisty, physics etc, he could be right up there with Reed Richards, and Hank Pym in book smarts. But his interests do not lie in those areas.
Batman vs. Cap in Jeopardy? Bats would more than likely have a HANDY victory.
But on the battlefield? Caps problem solving/strategy devising would more than likely be a hair or more faster than the Bat.
And with the Marvel DC "fight" between the two?
They never actually really full on 'hit' eachother. It was a TAP, PARRY, FEINT, SHIFT.
They were merely assesing the others movements and abilities.
there really was no need for anyone to 'keep up' with eachother.
Again, Batman COULD pull out a win. Its NOT impossible. But Cap has more of a likelyhood of victory.
And I love both these characters.
Minato
Minato - 8/14/2011, 12:39 PM
Well put CaptainRogers

I agree with everything youve said and I think without the help of any outside sources (gadgets, vehicles, weapons) Captian would defeat Batman. I wouldn't say that Cap would wipe the floor with Bats tho. To my knowledge Caps fighting abilities strive from his knowedge of basic fighting tecniques mixed (judo, western boxing, kickboxing, and gymnastics) to form his own. Where Bruce has mastered nearly all martial arts fighting styles and can call apon any of them at any given time. His League of Assassians training gives him a slight edge being the premiere fighting style of DC comics.

Cap Steve Rogers FTW
SwingsetKnight
SwingsetKnight - 8/14/2011, 1:52 PM
Batman DOES get muscle fatigue. He's an ordinary dude. Let's just point that out. He also devotes much of his time to detection rather than combat, which is why he ISN'T DC's premier martial artist. In a locked room mystery contest, he'd own Cap.

In a fight? Bwa ha. Cap is Marvel's premier human combatant. He's stronger than Bats. Faster. He's devoted his life to combat and military strategy. And he does all of that in a cloth suit with a single piece of equipment. No bat-grapples, no utility belt, no batmobile. No Oracle whispering in his ear, no posse of underlings constantly at his beck and call.

Cap could break the Bat so hard Bane would leap to his feet in applause.
BooYah
BooYah - 8/14/2011, 1:53 PM
Captain America would win, Batman is just a human. Yes Batman is a highly trained human but Cap is supposed to be the perfect human.
SageMode
SageMode - 8/14/2011, 3:46 PM
@Hush: even though that's the styles that visible, the amount of fighting styles Cap has mastered has never been revealed.......

Master Martial Artist: Rogers is an expert in hand-to-hand combat being very skilled in multiple martial arts. His training first originated under combat experts Rex Applegate and William Fairbairn whose fields of expertise were European martial arts and Chinese martial arts during WW2. While the majority of the instructors' curriculums were simplified for training the Allied Forces, it is possible that they trained Rogers in the more complex techniques because his body was already developed for them and because the majority of his combat knowledge (including his gymnastic-based techniques) was already established prior to his awakening by the Avengers. As a result, Rogers is well versed in Boxing, Judo, Jujitsu, Historical Fencing and Wushu. It is also possible and likely that he studied more disciplines in the present after being discovered by the Avengers and working for S.H.I.E.L.D. but it has yet to be proven. He has utilized all martial arts techniques from physical combat to chi manipulation. Rogers is one of the finest martial artist earth has ever known.
SageMode
SageMode - 8/14/2011, 3:48 PM
Martial Arts Master: Batman is one of the finest human combatants Earth has ever known. He trained in the US for various martial arts for 3 years. [citation needed] He has mastered 127 styles of martial arts including Muay Thai, Escrima, Krav Maga, Capoeira, Savate, Yaw-Yan, Tae Kwon Do, Judo, Jujitsu, Ninjitsu, Kendo, Fencing, Swordsmanship, Kenjutsu, Kali, Bojutsu, Francombat, Boxing, Kickboxing, Hapkaido, Wing Chun, Parkour, Shorin Ryu, Silat, Chin Na, Kyudo, Aikido, Varma Ati, Jeet Kune Do, Shaolin, Ba Gua, Hung Gar, Tai Chi, Kung Fu, and Kenpo. His primary form of combat [citation needed] is an idiosyncratic admixture of Tae Kwon Do, Judo, Muay Thai, Karate, Boxing, Jujitsu, and Ninjitsu.
SwingsetKnight
SwingsetKnight - 8/14/2011, 7:59 PM
Lol...is that Batman's super power? "Mastering" 127 martial arts in a handful of years, when becoming "proficient" in even one can take as much as a decade?

He "mastered" Kung Fu? Lol...I studied Kung Fu for eight years. I didn't "master" it. There are over a thousand disparate styles of Kung Fu. Then there's the stupidity of making Tae Kwon Do one of your major disciplines. It's at this point one of the least practical martial arts on the planet, practically a sport.

As for Captain America...hrm. Wushu and Judo are next to useless in a street fight.
ScionStorm
ScionStorm - 8/15/2011, 12:16 AM
Geezuz, Batman masterd ALL those styles in 3 years?
ScionStorm
ScionStorm - 8/15/2011, 12:19 AM
Batman is supposed to be just a human. I don't believe Batman is "just a human" if he mastered all those in 3 years. Tag him superhuman already. That is ridiculous.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 8/16/2011, 10:40 AM
Cap is stronger, faster and more agile because of the super-soldier serum, but not by much. Bats is the winner in my book, though, simply because Power earned(Bats) will always beats out power given(cap). Of course that only goes so far, Bats wouldn't beat Thor, etc... Bats and Cap are pretty close as far as physical prowess, with cap having the definite edge, but Bats is no stranger to "punching above his weight"...
captainrogers
captainrogers - 8/17/2011, 7:16 AM
@MoonDoggyX:
I don't know about the whole "not by much" statement. Again, if Bruce only dedicated himself to building his strength, then he might be able to close the gap in approaching Cap's. But his mobility would go down the tubes. His speed and other areas of abilities would most definately suffer.
Cap has the benefit of the serum which imposes no such limits on his physiology. Bruce has to carefully balance so he excells in all areas, but Cap is impossibly at the zenith. And while he was "given" the abilities, he is in constant training, displaying his worthiness of having and refining them.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 8/17/2011, 8:19 AM
We're talking comic book characters here, right. No disrespect but Possible doesn't matter. But a real life example of what you say would be bruce lee. He was 5'7" 135lbs. He was stronger than people twice his sixe and still lightning fast because of the crazy conditioning, excercises and diets he went through. I'm just going by what's been written.

"Peak Human Conditioning: Through intense training, specialized diet, and biofeedback treatments, The Batman represented the pinnacle of human physical prowess. His physical attributes exceeded that of any Olympic level athlete that has ever completed.[citation needed] Strength, speed, stamina, agility, reflexes and coordination were at peak human perfection. Batman began his physical and mental conditioning when he was 11 and then intense physical training and weight lifting at age 12. He has mastered full body control by the time he was 18. Bruce Wayne, since the age of 15, has created a strict diet to enable his body to develop and operate at its most proficient, along with biofeedback treatments (using portable/non portable machines to stimulate muscles to contraction. Batman has performed amazing physical feats due to his superior physique. He engaged in an intensive regular regimen of rigorous exercise (including aerobics, weight lifting, gymnastics, and simulated combat) to keep himself in peak condition, and has often defeated opponents whose size, strength, or other powers greatly exceeded his own. He has spent his entire life in pursuit of physical perfection and has attained it through constant intensive training and determination.
Peak Human Strength: Batman regularly bench-presses at least 1000 lbs during his exercise routine.[209]
Peak Human Reflexes: Bruce's reflexes were honed to such a degree that he has caught one of Green Arrow's arrows in mid flight when he tried to shoot him.[citation needed] He has also been able to dodge point blank gunfire.
Peak Human Speed: He could run at speeds comparable to the finest competing athletes.
Peak Human Endurance: His endurance was comparable to that of the finest Olympic Decathlon participant.[citation needed] His lung capacity was so great that he could hold his breath underwater for 3 minutes and 15 seconds.[210] He can survive in the airless vacuum of space for exactly 27 seconds.[211]
Peak Human Agility: His agility was greater than that of a Chinese acrobat and an Olympic gold medalist gymnast.[citation needed] His main phase of movement was Parkour which he learned in France and used that to scale the cities rooftops in an acrobatic manner." - DC.Wikia.com
captainrogers
captainrogers - 8/17/2011, 10:51 AM
Yes, but Bruce's body Operates to IT's maximum. It is a comic, but it has its own grounding factors.
Batman, like Bruce Lee, would've been without peer in terms of all around conditioning, the Serum negates any limitations a HUMAN body may have.
Yes, batman can keep striving, to push the limits of regular human potential.
But Cap is already there and that is what he has to work with and does, thus performing some almost outright inhuman feats.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 8/17/2011, 11:45 AM
I very much agree with all of that. What I was getting at is that Cap is not so far past Batman that bats can't hurt him. My real point was that Batman has the mental edge in the fight because of all the crap he went through to EARN his power, unlike Cap being GIVEN his power in the serum. Even if Cap masters 300 fighting styles, he did it after he was enhanced by the serum, Power given...
captainrogers
captainrogers - 8/17/2011, 7:27 PM
Serum also enhanced Cap's mental faculties also. I get that Bruce had a whale of a time earning his abilities, but given or earned, I believe Cap's mind even moves a hair faster than Batman's.
In JLA/Avengers, even Batman deferred to Cap on the field of battle. All involved unanimously declared Cap the battlefield commander.
(I usually wouldn't cite crossovers as they are usually non-canon, but JLA/Avengers is actually canon, since both DC and Marvel have made story references and picked up plotlines left over from this one. Especially DC, with the fate of Kronas and the cosmic egg.)
I'm not saying Cap ALWAYS wins, just that in a best of three fight, cap takes it.
These are the guys whose schtick is that they can impossibly triumph against almost anybody, but Cap is the physically superior of the two)
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