Doug Jones Shares His Review Of Julie Garner's Silver Surfer In THE FANTASTIC FOUR: FIRST STEPS (Exclusive)

Doug Jones Shares His Review Of Julie Garner's Silver Surfer In THE FANTASTIC FOUR: FIRST STEPS (Exclusive)

Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer star Doug Jones has shared his review of Julie Garner's take on Shalla-Bal in The Fantastic Four: First Steps and the pushback she received from some fans.

By JoshWilding - Feb 18, 2026 03:02 PM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four

Doug Jones has brought to life all manner of incredible and iconic characters in projects like HellboyPan's LabyrinthThe Shape of Water, Hocus Pocus, and What We Do in the Shadows. However, for Marvel fans, his portrayal of the Silver Surfer in 2007's Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer remains a clear favourite.

While The Matrix star Laurence Fishburne lent his voice to Norrin Radd in post-production, Jones played the Surfer on set and was responsible for bringing the iconic character to life on screen.

Last summer, Marvel Studios rebooted Marvel's First Family with The Fantastic Four: First Steps, starring Pedro Pascal, Vanessa Kirby, Joseph Quinn, and Ebon Moss-Bachrach. The movie was set on a parallel Earth and, in place of Norrin Radd, the spotlight was placed on Shalla-Bal as Galactus' Herald.

We'd seen a female Silver Surfer in the pages of Earth X, but that did nothing to stop the expected backlash from some fans; even though Shalla-Bal is a completely different character, Marvel was still accused of "gender-swapping" the Silver Surfer, a completely inaccurate claim.

Earlier this week, we sat down with Jones to discuss his role in the riotously funny new comedy, Operation Taco Gary's. During our conversation, we wondered what he thought about Julie Garner's interpretation of the Earth-828's Silver Surfer.

"When I got to play the Silver Surfer back in those original Fantastic Four movies, it was [such] an honor. Are you kidding me? To take on a Marvel character that was so beloved and so beautiful and so angelic-like. Then, to jump ahead to the present, when the new Fantastic Four came out in theaters, [Marvel Studios] reached out to all of us legacy actors from the original and invited us all to come to the premiere. So, I know that Ioan Gruffudd and I both came and saw each other at the premiere. I was able to do the whole press line and, they were very respectful, and it was a nice connection of old and new."

"I thought Julia Garner did such a gorgeous job. And it was nice, and it was interesting to see the female Silver Surfer based on Shalla-Bal, the character from the comic books. There was some fan scuttle about that because Norrin Radd was the more seen and more known Silver Surfer, but Shalla-Bal was an alternate universe Surfer from like one issue of the comic book. So, she did have some source material to base her on. So I thought it was brave of her to step into that, knowing that fans were going to be like, 'Wait a second.' But she was great and did it with great poise and great courage."

Ultimately, the response to Garner's Silver Surfer was extremely positive. Given how Shalla-Bal's story ended, it's likely that she was a one-and-done character in the MCU, particularly if the Fantastic Four is ultimately brought to Earth-616. 

When that happens, we expect to meet a new take on Norrin Radd. Would Jones be open to playing him? Well, you can hear more from the prolific actor on that in the player above.

Operation Taco Gary's opens in theaters on February 27.

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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 2/18/2026, 3:44 PM
in short, he'd like to work for disney
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SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 2/18/2026, 4:07 PM
@harryba11zack - Eeeeeeexactly! 😏
spr0cks
spr0cks - 2/18/2026, 6:15 PM
@harryba11zack -
BREAKING NEWS!!!!

"Person not allowed to have a positive opinion about a thing and give praise to a fellow professional without having some underhanded motive and selfish aim."

The Internets has decreed it so.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 2/18/2026, 6:57 PM
@spr0cks - glad u agree
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RolandD
RolandD - 2/19/2026, 11:29 AM
@spr0cks - Right? And so what if he would take a job. It’s what actors do.
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 2/18/2026, 3:54 PM
Jones is definitely a talent, and his statement was rational and diplomatic without ignoring or crapping on fans unhappy with the swap. Hollywood could learn a lot from this kind of measured response.
NHartMusic
NHartMusic - 2/18/2026, 3:58 PM
"Ultimately, the response to Garner's Silver Surfer was extremely possible". For f*ck's sake man
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 2/18/2026, 4:05 PM
Take out the casual flirting-attempts of Johnny Storm and there would have been virtually no significant difference story-wise if they had simply stayed with the OG Norrin Radd. The switch to go with a female version wasn't done organically. It was done simply to check-off a Gender-Box. A box that could have just as easily have been satisfied with the inclusion of Alicia Masters. Of course, the She-Surfer, Pascals' machismo-stache and Ben's stupid jumpsuit (to save on the CGI/rock budget) was the trifecta of Cinema-Sins for this thoroughly solid, safe and yet ultimately unsatisfying attempt to reignite the cinematic FANTASTIC FOUR legacy. 🤨
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 2/18/2026, 4:13 PM
@SuperiorHeckler - Heh heh, the Fantastic Four have always sucked cinematically. That legacy you speak of needs to be buried.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/18/2026, 4:24 PM
@SuperiorHeckler -
It's only in there universe. When they get to 616 it will be Norrin Radd.
Vigor
Vigor - 2/18/2026, 4:42 PM
@SuperiorHeckler - you guys with this "they checked a box" narrative that you would have never said in the 90s, are exuding massive insecurity energy.
Byproduct of the Joe Rogans and Tates influencing the mind.

Know, that women prefer a secure man. Not one who blames their mediocre on other women or people of a darker complexion
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 2/18/2026, 4:55 PM
@Vigor - Thank you for that generally awkward attempt at sounding insightful and penetrating. 🙄
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 2/18/2026, 4:56 PM
@EskimoJ - The prior cinematic evidence stands in your favor on that one. 🤔
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 2/18/2026, 5:00 PM
@Goldboink - Will he??? I wonder. To suddenly switch back to the iconic male representation may prove to be "unnecessary" by the time they are ready to re-introduce the character again. 🫤
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/18/2026, 5:06 PM
@SuperiorHeckler - I mean the main reason it made sense narratively to use Shalla-Bal had nothing to do with Johnny and everything to do with her being a mirror to Sue's story both of whom would do anything to save their kids all be it they did so in differing ways. Narratively being NOT on 616 Norrin Radd would have added nothing of note other than appeasing short sighted nerds who would then instead b just as P'd off he was one and done again as a supporting character and this time in an otherverse story (even if somehow he later returned somehow for future 616 adventures).

I get the why not Norrin stuff, but we had already had him once alongside Galactus and even if I want MORE Radd in the MCU getting the Galactus stuff out the way on an otherverse with Shalla is fine and source accurate to the story which revolved around Franklin being a future eater of worlds. It also sets up that the roles are switched and the female actor can return in native form on the main timeline when we DO get the male SS, but as a hero from the start instead of having to go through the antagonist role first.

ALL of that aside and going back to the Human Torch, the choices they went with give him way more reason to be there and more to do than prior F4 films IMO.
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 2/18/2026, 5:19 PM
@SuperiorHeckler - Well, but if you were to, as you said, "Take out the casual flirting attempts" then you don't get Johnny's conversations with her which lead him to be the one to figure out the language, which in turn makes him a more intelligent and useful part of the team than we've ever seen him on film. Honestly, I think this was the best F4 movie we've gotten yet (Aside from maybe The Incredibles).
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/18/2026, 5:33 PM
@SuperiorHeckler -
Gonna have a decade of FF movies and I'm sure they will want to spin off SS at some point and that will be Norrin Radd. Galactus showing up in 616 would be a huge incursion.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 2/18/2026, 5:35 PM
@Apophis71 -
Great point that I hadn't thought of. Her relating to Sue was the thing that turned her instead of the original falling in love wiht her.
spr0cks
spr0cks - 2/18/2026, 6:17 PM
@SuperiorHeckler -

RE : "Thank you for that generally awkward attempt at sounding insightful and penetrating. "


That could actually be taken to apply to everything you wrote in your original post.


.....if it wasn't for the fact that there's nothing even attempting at seeming or looking insightful or penetrating in it.

Just the usual MRA bullshite.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 2/18/2026, 10:24 PM
@Vigor - 🤔 💭... Are you married....



To a female X² Woman? 🤨
Radders
Radders - 2/19/2026, 8:33 AM
@Apophis71 - "everything to do with her being a mirror to Sue's story both of whom would do anything to save their kids all be it they did so in differing ways" - could also have been done with Norrin Radd similar to how it was done in the 2007 film.
They did the gender swap to have more women on screen, plain and simple
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/19/2026, 8:59 AM
@Radders - Yet still way more men so don't get why that would be an issue if it were the why IF we still get Norrin as the SS for 616 adventures post Secret Wars (and maybe even the Fox version in it) and the Shalla-Bal version a once and done otherverse variant. A Dad is hardly a mirror of a Mum however so my point still stands as the MAIN NARRATIVE reason why a female version worked better if not enough time to truly explore the backstory of whichever herald they went with even if other secondary reasons may also be in play.
Radders
Radders - 2/20/2026, 9:03 AM
@Apophis71 - Didn't say having more women in the film was an issue, just saying that's the reason for the gender swap, which I didn't like.
And if we do get Norrin's SS, his origin has already been done in this film, so he'll just be a copy in the MCU and we'll never get HIS iconic story done properly.

And cool, I think a Dad could work just as well and I don't think it worked better with a female SS
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/20/2026, 10:01 AM
@Radders - Which is why elsewhere I stated they should actually fully do Norrin's origin, as in EVERYTHING in DETAIL leading up to him becoming the Silver Surfer in his own titular project, something which was barely touched upon with Shalla.

Opinions will always vary but how little they really did with the character in the film I honestly can't see how it being Radd could have been any better OTHER than his version being more popular amongst us Nerds which isn't suffice reason on it's own.

His best stories are ALL after he turns hero, not whilst still a herald thus plenty they could do still that is far better than the one small aspect covered in the 00's and recent Galactus first comes to Earth stuff specifically in regard to that character. It is no different than Hulk or Spider-man in that ALL the good stuff is what they do long after they gain powers and are heroes so skipping straight to Norrin Radd as a hero is no different to MCU Spidey skipping being bitten or skipping Banners accident with Gamma radiation (bar brief montage scene during the titles).

I mean if the 00's film had never happened it would all be very different, they wouldn't have even considered not using Norrin Radd I suspect but as we did get that this was never going to do better specific to the Surfer as this one had to focus more on introducing the main heroes. The problem of being the first of a franchise not the second there is never enough time to explore the herald or any secondary antagonist in any depth. Just glad they did a better job than a giant gas cloud for the main villain this time and gave the Human Torch more reason to be there showing more smarts and less womanizing/showing off.

Dad CAN work, but how a Dad is with a young kid and how a Mum is differs enough it tends not to carry as much weight as a parallel IMO unless ONLY about two Dad's for most GA and a LOT of focus on BOTH Dad's, less so on all other characters. The father son stuff tends to be more complex and vary more in nature than the mother and child one is in the main, need more time to explore the parental relationships with Fathers whereas the Mothers everyone instantly gets that there is NOTHING a Mother wouldn't do for their babies. A Dad is more likely to be more conflicted IRL and with fiction in complex life or death scenarios with very young children (Mothers it only normally gets more complex in such a way when the kid is a teen or older).
Radders
Radders - 2/25/2026, 8:49 AM
@Apophis71 - I did see that after I posted by comment, and whilst interesting to expand, it’s still the same story and pay off, which we have just seen.

True the most notable stories follow but as I’ve said, it’s his origin, and an iconc story, that now belongs to Shalla Bal and they removed the threat of Galactus (which was actually well built in the middle of FF) with the kaiju ending.

End of the day, we’re not going to agree on this one :)
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/25/2026, 9:13 AM
@Radders - We likely agree more than you think, if the film was on the main timeline I WOULD have 100% wanted Norrin Radd and if we hadn't had the 00's film I WOULD 100% want him too. I am simply more willing to let it slid using an alt on an alt timeline with a second version of the Galactus story, wouldn't have been against it being Radd again, but it simply isn't a big deal due for me due to all of that.

NOW, if we don't get the male Silver Surfer post Secret Wars on the main timeline, I'll fully join the uprising on it :D

I have a sneaky feeling they may not be done with Galactus either, or the Celestials for that matter but we'll see.
Nonameforme
Nonameforme - 2/18/2026, 4:08 PM
I didn't like the movie, and I didn't like her in it.
spr0cks
spr0cks - 2/18/2026, 6:18 PM
@Nonameforme -

Cool story, bro.
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 2/18/2026, 4:14 PM
Movie was fine. She was hardly the reason for it being underwhelming; using Norrin Radd wouldn't have made the movie any better.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 2/18/2026, 10:28 PM
@EskimoJ - 🤔... 💭

Fine ___ Underwhelming

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dragon316
dragon316 - 2/18/2026, 4:26 PM
This type of problem I have going on this site only page refreshes , reloads at random typing comment, or reading maybe I have update phone operating system it’s not like this on other sites

https://youtube.com/shorts/lL6Wf7fl-vY?si=mWzADCQP3J_pTTpI
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 2/18/2026, 4:33 PM
I thought Julia Garner did well in the role even though it was limited imo as this outwardly stoic & detached character who actually felt a lot but hid it since the guilt of her duty then would be too much to bear.

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Doug Jones/Laurence Fishburne’s version of Norrin Radd’s Silver Surfer was cool too but i felt Shalla Bal had just a bit more depth & her turn felt earned.

Anyway i thought FF:First Steps was a solid film , I would give it a 7.5 out of 10!!.
HelloBoysImBack
HelloBoysImBack - 2/18/2026, 5:12 PM
Silver surfher
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 2/18/2026, 5:50 PM
"Ultimately, the response to Garner's Silver Surfer was extremely positive."

Movie financially failed, no one is excited about the FF. In the process they squandered bringing a beloved character into the MCU. They actually didnt even need her or the surfer. They could have just picked another herald if they wanted the gender swap him which is the entire, and ONLY reason they did it.

Tired of reading these excuses about it. Just move on, we all know why they did it.
GeneralZod
GeneralZod - 2/18/2026, 6:04 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r - "Ultimately, the response to Garner's Silver Surfer was extremely positive." Classic Josh gaslighting. He would have been an excellent political commissar in 1950s Soviet Russia.
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spr0cks
spr0cks - 2/18/2026, 6:20 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r -

They didn't gender swap anything.

Shalla Bal is an EXISTING character in the comics who also happens to be female.
You can't gender swap a character into a gender they already are.

You just wanted Norrin Rad.
Which is an entirely different argument to make and complaint to have.

And also a pointless one for anyone who is aware of the fact that Galactus has had many heralds of both genders and it was and is Marvel's prerogative to choose which one they prefer for their Cinematic Universe.
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