The Conversation Around POOR THINGS' Bella Baxter Is Becoming More Critical; Here's Emma Stone's Response

The Conversation Around POOR THINGS' Bella Baxter Is Becoming More Critical; Here's Emma Stone's Response

A rising chorus of criticism over Bella Baxter's naiveté is emerging just as Emma Stone and director Yorgos Lanthimos' Poor Things looks to close in on several Academy Awards.

By MarkJulian - Feb 21, 2024 09:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Fantasy
Source: SFFGazette.com

With 11 nominations, Poor Things seemed destined for stardom at this year's  Academy Awards ceremony on March 10. But is the tide shifting in terms of how people are reacting to Bella Baxter, the film's lead character?

It was clear that Poor Things was going to have a big awards season push when it won the Venice Film Festival's greatest prize, the Golden Lion, but even the film's biggest supporter couldn't have imagined just how many accolades the actors and crew would go on to receive.

In addition to its Golden Lion win, the film won the Best Motion Picture – Musical or Comedy award at the 81st Golden Globe Awards and is nominated for Best Picture at this year's Oscars.

Film star, Emma Stone won the Best Actress in a Leading Role award at this year's BAFTAs, Best Actress award at the Critics' Choice Movie Awards, Best Actress – Motion Picture Musical or Comedy award at the Golden Globes, among several other honors. Stone is also nominated for Best Actress at this year's Oscars.

But as more and more people get interested in the Yorgos Lanthimos-directed picture due to its numerous Oscar nominations, reviewers and fans are beginning to take a less favorable view of it.

For example, Bella Baxter is for all intents and purposes, a child when she is revived as a Frankenstein-like creature. However, it isn't long before she becomes sexually promiscuous and begins earning a living as a prostitute.

The film definitely has some raunchy scenes as Bella undergoes a sexual awakening and the general audience is asking if that's appropriate, given Bella's child-like nature.

Speaking on this controversy, Stone stated, "If it helps, as the person who played it and produced it, I didn't see her as a child in any of those scenes."

Lanthimos went on to add, "But even that's too literal. If you take a film that literally, where you start discussing it in terms of the brain of a child, then you're kind of missing the point of storytelling in general. If you start to analyze the film as something that would actually happen, then of course the film doesn't work."

Stone closed out her argument by stating that she's enjoying the more mixed response to the film.

 "My mom has this saying that at the start of a relationship you say, 'Oh we're so in love we finish each other's sentences.' And then, as time goes by, it becomes, 'You're always interrupting me.' "

"That can happen in a relationship with film, too, especially a film like this, that's asking more questions than giving answers. I know people who've seen the film and think it's just the sweetest romantic comedy, and others who had to watch it through their fingers. And that's great."

The Oscars take place on March 10. Poor Things has secured 11 nominations including Best Director, Best Picture, Best Actress, Best Supporting Actor (Mark Ruffalo), Best Adapted Screenplay and more. 

Poor Things Official Synopsis: From filmmaker Yorgos Lanthimos and producer Emma Stone comes the incredible tale and fantastical evolution of Bella Baxter (Stone), a young woman brought back to life by the brilliant and unorthodox scientist Dr. Godwin Baxter (Willem Dafoe).

Under Baxter’s protection, Bella is eager to learn. Hungry for the worldliness she is lacking, Bella runs off with Duncan Wedderburn (Mark Ruffalo), a slick and debauched lawyer, on a whirlwind adventure across the continents. Free from the prejudices of her times, Bella grows steadfast in her purpose to stand for equality and liberation.

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lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 2/21/2024, 9:13 AM
No desire to see this. EVER.

and why is this comicbookmovie news?
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 2/21/2024, 9:22 AM
@lazlodaytona - because it stars actors who also starred in comic books I guess?

And also, I got you to click
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 2/21/2024, 9:23 AM
@bkmeijer1 - :D ok. You win!
clintthahamster
clintthahamster - 2/21/2024, 10:10 AM
@lazlodaytona - "In 2008, CBM expanded its coverage to include all SciFi,Fantasy and Horror related properties, but retains it's main focus upon comic book movies."

But also, Gwen Stacy nekkid.
Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 2/21/2024, 9:21 AM
I didn't love Poor Things. I had the exact issue that this article is describing. She is supposed to have the brain of a child, but her primary interest throughout the film seems to be sex. I couldn't help but think that the character did not act like a child would at all, and I found the concept to be creepy and off putting. It gave serious pedo vibes.
UncleHarm1
UncleHarm1 - 2/21/2024, 10:00 AM
@Shivermetimbers - I haven't seen the movie but if you dig into Freudian psychology there's a lot in there about how children explore sexuality, not literally like in the movie but how hormones and relationships with your parents play into early brain development. Maybe it's a metaphor
clintthahamster
clintthahamster - 2/21/2024, 10:15 AM
@UncleHarm1 - I think the biggest problem with the coverage of Poor Things on this site is that it's lead to a bunch of dudes discussing the themes of the films of a filmmaker like Yorgos Lanthimos when they are better equipped to discuss whether Reed Richards should be Pedro Pascal or Adam Driver.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 2/21/2024, 10:37 AM
@UncleHarm1 -
The film feels more like a glorification of the excuse that sexual abusers used that the 'sexual abuse victim wanted it'

She's actively depicted as a child or child-like every time a sexual act is performed in the movie. There's a clear attempt by those involved to remind the audience that mentally she's underdeveloped.

The film also never treats her abusers as evil for abusing her and she keeps going back to them throughout the story.
Humperdink
Humperdink - 2/21/2024, 11:08 AM
@Scarilian -

The film feels more like a glorification of the excuse that sexual abusers used that the 'sexual abuse victim wanted it'


This. 👆
marvel72
marvel72 - 2/21/2024, 9:27 AM
I have zero interest in this movie,can't see why it's getting all the praise it's getting after watching the trailer.
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 2/21/2024, 10:07 AM
@marvel72 - K.
clintthahamster
clintthahamster - 2/21/2024, 10:16 AM
@marvel72 - I don't understand why any movie I haven't seen is praised, to be honest.
marvel72
marvel72 - 2/21/2024, 1:51 PM
@ClintThaHamster - Isn't the purpose of a trailer to get you interested in seeing a movie? Nothing in the trailer made feel I've got to see this, so I don't know why it's getting so much praise, when it did nothing for me.

I don't think that's to hard to understand, even for you.
clintthahamster
clintthahamster - 2/21/2024, 3:57 PM
@marvel72 - "Isn't the purpose of a trailer to get you interested in seeing a movie?"

Absolutely. And if you'd said "I don't understand why the trailer is getting all the praise it's getting" that would make sense. But, and I can't believe this needs saying, the trailer is not the movie, and it's actually not possible to know whether a movie is praise-worthy by simply watching a three minute montage of clips from said movie.

"I don't think that's to hard to understand, even for you."

Well, if we're insulting one another's intelligence, that should be "TOO hard to understand."
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/21/2024, 9:39 AM
It's the whole Tom Hanks Big argument.

It's interesting because it brings a discussion about sexual maturity in body but not mind.

It also brings to mind those with certain mental conditions. They have the mind of a child, but the body of an adult, etc. etc.

It's an interesting discussion, but in terms of whether or not the film is bad: It is a film. Emma Stone is an adult. End of conversation, surely.
clintthahamster
clintthahamster - 2/21/2024, 10:17 AM
@ObserverIO - You'd think, and yet . . .
newhire13
newhire13 - 2/21/2024, 11:33 AM
@ObserverIO - Good point with the Big comparison.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 2/21/2024, 3:23 PM
@ObserverIO - Ultimately at the end of the day we can make moral judgements but have to always remember that the human body is wired to make us want to make babies (even when our mind disagrees with having children) including that good sex is pleasure inducing. Thus it could easily be argued that a child like mind without the wisdom of years and muturity, without having been taught a moral code would be more likely to be promiscuous not less if in an attractive adult body with all those biological clocks and hormones etc pushing it to reproduce.

It is an interesting topic to discuss philosophically if able to do so without the normal conflict that such discourse oft illicits online.
CoHost
CoHost - 2/21/2024, 10:01 AM
"If you start to analyze the film as something that would actually happen, then of course the film doesn't work."

The Nostalgia Critic's way of analyzing movies.
Baf
Baf - 2/21/2024, 10:02 AM
The same people who accused Wonder Woman of rape or Cap's "we don't trade Lives".
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/21/2024, 10:21 AM
@Baf - That kinda was rape. This is more akin to accusing Wanda Maximoff of being a pedo. Vision was born in 2015, she was [frick]ing him between 2016 and 2018 and again in 2023.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 2/21/2024, 10:29 AM
@Baf -
It was rape in Wonder Woman 2
Cap did trade lives throughout his films
Scarilian
Scarilian - 2/21/2024, 10:32 AM
@ObserverIO -
As far as we know, Vision wasn't sexually abused into having feelings for Wanda. It is treated more like a romance with both participants fully understanding. We also didn't see their interactions so it's debatable as to what level of intimacy they had (Other than in her imaginary world where she made him human)

Bella was sexually abused by her mentor when she was self-stated and acknowledged by said mentor as a child - and the film treats that as a good thing and never treats the mentor as a villain for doing so.
ThouBear8
ThouBear8 - 2/21/2024, 11:07 AM
@Baf - I mean, Diana had sex with a man's body while he had no way to consent to it, because he was essentially possessed by someone else.

It's akin to having sex with someone in a coma. How is that NOT rape? I was appalled by that plot point, & I do not offend easily.
Baf
Baf - 2/21/2024, 3:28 PM
@Scarilian - I guess you'd have to call it gang rape then because Steve Trevor helped.
Baf
Baf - 2/21/2024, 3:38 PM
@ObserverIO - I kinda look at it like this. Because magic.
Baf
Baf - 2/21/2024, 3:48 PM
@ThouBear8 - It was magic. Because it was magic, it wasn't rape. These are the rules of magic, and magical rules were not meant to be understood by mere mortals.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/22/2024, 4:03 AM
@Baf - Like if I drug someone and date-rape them that's bad, but if I give them a magical love potion, then that's okay.
Baf
Baf - 2/22/2024, 5:41 AM
@ObserverIO - No. Rape is never ok. Ever.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/22/2024, 5:58 AM
@Baf - but you just said that magical rape is okay though.
Baf
Baf - 2/22/2024, 8:28 AM
@ObserverIO - I'm saying this particular magic works in a way that can't be explained and was not rape. That the guy everyone claims was raped was not present during the sex. He was never there. It wasn't his physical body.
He was somewhere else. This guy went somewhere magical where time and rape doesn't exist. It wasn't his body in that moment.
How can an all-powerful God move an immovable object. It's not possible, but it is. Magic works in mysterious ways. We all see it as rape because our human minds can't comprehend the impossible, but we can have faith.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/22/2024, 8:47 AM
@Baf - But when Steve Trevor looks in the mirror, it's the other guy's body. They needed the other guy for some reason. If they didn't need him then why not just bring Steve Trevor back on his own, in his own body?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/22/2024, 8:48 AM
@ObserverIO - I might be misremembering the mirror thing, but when Diana first meets him, it's the other guy. It's only when she looks with her heart that she sees it's Trevor.
Baf
Baf - 2/22/2024, 1:00 PM
@ObserverIO - You're asking me to explain how Monkey Paw wish magic works?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/22/2024, 1:11 PM
@Baf - No the movie already did. Steve Trevor came back in some rando guy's body. Wonder Woman then had sex with that body, without the consent of the rando guy who had no idea what was happening. When he saw her at the end of the film she gave him a smile, because she knows that they've secretly had sex and he doesn't.
Baf
Baf - 2/22/2024, 1:50 PM
@ObserverIO - That's cold man but I get it. I can't defend Patty's horrible decisions. Cool to talk about it though.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 2/22/2024, 2:10 PM
@Baf - It's a pretty interesting thing to talk about. Always good to see two completely different sides to the same story. You look at it from another angle and what seems sweet suddenly becomes horrific.

Like the love potion thing is a staple of fairy tales and fiction in general, a magic potion to make someone fall in love with you. But these days that sounds a lot like a daterape drug, lol.
MovieMonster
MovieMonster - 2/21/2024, 10:10 AM
I liked the movie but there are things I'm very conflicted about such as Bella's mental age. Her brain develops fast given how she's a Frankenstein creation but the exact details are never explicitly stated so it's easy to see why many are put off by it. I loved the acting and visual style of the film but I'm not sure if I'll revisit it but I look forward to seeing what Yorgos Lanthimos does next. He has a unique voice as a filmmaker.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 2/21/2024, 10:34 AM
@MovieMonster -
There's a statement that her brain develops fast but that's not depicted in terms of her mentality regarding sexual experiences.

The movie deliberately has her behavior like a child before and during every single sexual act.
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