New Marvel Book Faces Backlash After Removing Elizabeth Olsen's Scarlet Witch From Cover

New Marvel Book Faces Backlash After Removing Elizabeth Olsen's Scarlet Witch From Cover

An upcoming book, The Marvel Cinematic Universe: An Official Timeline, has come under fire from fans of the Scarlet Witch after Elizabeth Olsen's Avenger was swapped out for Loki and Sylvie. Check it out!

By JoshWilding - Aug 17, 2023 07:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Studios

Elizabeth Olsen's Scarlet Witch remains one of Marvel Studios' most popular characters, and the actress has a very devoted online fanbase (she doesn't get all the "mommy" talk either). That could explain why there's something of an outcry online about an upcoming MCU book.

The franchise's timeline has become increasingly difficult to follow in recent years, particularly with the introduction of the Multiverse. 

On October 24, a new book, The Marvel Cinematic Universe: An Official Timeline, will attempt to clear things up but is coming under fire for making one noteworthy change to its cover. 

Originally, it featured Iron Man, Shang-Chi, Sam Wilson's Captain America, Captain Marvel, Thanos, and the Scarlet Witch. The artwork has since been, with Penguin Random House swapping out Wanda Maximoff for Loki and Sylvie. 

While there are those who feel this is some sort of slight to the character, it's likely tied to the fact the Scarlet Witch is supposed to be dead...and the small fact Loki season 2 is set to be released on Disney+ this October. That series has proven to be pivotal to the Multiverse Saga and will likely be used to explain the fallout from the Sacred Timeline branching out. 

Olsen is expected to return as Wanda, with Agatha: Coven of Chaos set to elaborate on her fate. However, she isn't expected to make another physical appearance until either a solo project or the next Avengers movie, The Kang Dynasty

Given the Scarlet Witch's reality-altering powers and her ties to the Multiverse, we expect her to be crucial to whatever Marvel Studios has planned over the next few years, cover or no cover.

Check out this updated version of The Marvel Cinematic Universe: An Official Timeline below.

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Scarilian
Scarilian - 8/17/2023, 7:04 AM
People are slowly starting to realize that the newer characters just don't have the mass appeal of the older ones and as such are annoyed when they get swapped out. They'll swap out Iron Man for someone else soon enough and Thanos would definitely be Kang if the actor wasn't an abuser.

This Loki is a new character as he was introduced in Endgame and he's vastly different from the previously established Loki everyone likes as he spent a majority of his first season being upstaged and kicked in the balls because 'men are bad' is the only thing Disney do nowadays.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/17/2023, 7:28 AM
@Scarilian - I don't know. It's a book about the MCU's timeline. I think it makes sense to have characters from the very beginning all the way up to current.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 8/17/2023, 8:02 AM
@Scarilian - Not at all. I much prefer this Loki and think he's most like the version from the first Thor movie, which is the one I liked. Not the cheap psycho Loki from Avengers.

Are you easily offended that someone who led an army to try and takeover earth get kicked in the groin?
ptick
ptick - 8/17/2023, 12:45 PM
@dagenspear - Yeah, honestly Avengers Loki is the biggest outlier among all the Loki characterizations. Very one-dimensional. But I guess you could explain that away by saying the influence of the mind stone in the scepter made him ... "eviler?" It's just sort of jarring for some people that Avengers Loki is the exact Loki that precedes Loki S1 Loki (at least timeline-wise) and him changing so quickly from that threw some people for a loop. Not me - I loved Loki S1.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 8/17/2023, 9:52 PM
@ptick - It's not that I think there's no depth to Loki in Avengers, to me, but yeah, I think similarly, in that I think the emotional dimension weight of the character is lost.

I don't know if it's totally consistent with Avengers Loki, but I do think I'm biased in my preference for the other versions of Loki.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 8/18/2023, 5:18 AM
@dagenspear -
"I much prefer this Loki and think he's most like the version from the first Thor movie"

He's had none of the development of the other Loki and he's not remotely characterized like the Loki from the first Thor film. In that film he was a trickster, actively working to try and become the king of Asgard through emotional and mental manipulation of the Ice Giants, Thor and even Odin himself into acting as he desired. His motivation at its core was a desire to be acknowledged as the son of Odin.

If you think they are similar you have no idea what you are talking about. This Loki saw a potential future and realized he was an incompetent [frick]nugget who died a pathetic death and proceeded to become a subservient lapdog to both Mobius and Sylvie - along with suddenly wanting to bang Sylvie - his multiversal self.

"Are you easily offended that someone who led an army to try and takeover earth get kicked in the groin?"

Not offended, just find it pathetic. Phase 4 was notable for the 'kick in the nuts' aspect. Red Guardian (Deleted scene), Shang Chi, Loki... I'm sure it happened elsewhere also.

The 'getting kicked in the nuts' scene for Loki was him getting picked up and smashed around by Hulk in 2012's Avengers. It had more layers to it back then. To be so utterly [frick]ing incompetent as a writer that you can't find a better way to handle your character getting beaten/humiliated than just having them be kicked in the nuts is pathetic.

Especially when the character doing so is [frick]ing Sif, the bad-ass warrior... and she just kicks him in the nuts while he's confused, pathetic.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 8/18/2023, 7:26 AM
@Scarilian - I think that's a fairly one note view of the character in the first Thor movie and even in this show. He is not trying to rule asgard throughout the whole movie. He wants that, but he's not manipulating it to happen. He only begins that after Odin goes into his sleep. He's a trickster, but he's also emotional, vulnerable, seeking approval from his dad by destroying the frost giants. He was a more rounded character. I think the Loki show connects closer to that.

Not seeing anything legit negative here about Loki getting kicked in the groin. Especially with the context. Loki is Thor's brother and he pranked Thor's friend. This isn't fight to the death. Sif kicking him multiple times may be overdone, I'd agree with that, but in the situation itself, as an idea, eh, not too big of an issue to me, beyond, as a devout Christian above all, rejection of violence and revenge attitude.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 8/19/2023, 4:00 PM
@dagenspear -
"he's not manipulating it to happen"

He admits to using the Frost Giants to ruin his 'brothers big day' in order to humiliate Thor so that Thor's ascension to the throne is delayed. The opening conflict of the movie, before Odin is asleep, was because of this deal with the Frost Giants. They were supposed to humiliate/defeat Thor as instructed by Loki.



He's also manipulating the Frost Giants into attempting to kill Odin, which allows him to be the hero saving Odin and killing the Frost Giants so there's no risk of his manipulation being told to anyway.


"I think the Loki show connects closer to that."

The Loki show has not really given any of what you mentioned to Loki. He spends most the show just kinda doing things for people - the only emotion he gets is when he's trying to reason with the repeated Sif kicking him in the balls and naturally that is one sided so does not really expand on that.


Kurban
Kurban - 8/17/2023, 7:05 AM
Only celebrity obsessed Twitterphiles who call every actress “mother” care about this stupid shit.
Fogs
Fogs - 8/17/2023, 7:06 AM
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 8/17/2023, 7:07 AM
Should’ve replaced her with Shuri and really riled these mfs up

McMurdo
McMurdo - 8/17/2023, 12:18 PM
@PlusUltra - but wait she's a "liability" isn't she?




Smh
dagenspear
dagenspear - 8/18/2023, 4:47 AM
@McMurdo - Better than Wanda though, to me.
Batmangina
Batmangina - 8/17/2023, 7:09 AM
Chick Loki is WAY more relevant than Wanda.

By relevant I mean they have a show to pimp - one that they hope will stop them bleeding subscribers 24/7 from the dying D+ fiasco.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 8/17/2023, 7:12 AM
@Batmangina - Not really. Wanda’s just as tied up in all this multiverse shit as Sylvie, plus she’s kicked started off her own sub genre within the MCU.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 8/17/2023, 7:59 AM
@PlusUltra - As is right now, not really. Sylvie killed a variant of Kang and is from another universe that was burned or whatever and is engaging with the multiversal police. Wanda dabbled in multiverse stuff in a movie.
Batmangina
Batmangina - 8/17/2023, 8:54 AM
@PlusUltra - I agree with you 100% from a storytelling standpoint but this is just the Marketing Department making the call on promotional assets - Loki S2 is going to be a make or break for Marvel streaming content.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 8/17/2023, 9:10 AM
@Batmangina - That’s true, no doubt. That’s why they’ve got Sam up there too, since Cap 4 is really the next big-ish MCU movie.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 8/17/2023, 12:19 PM
@Batmangina - well sylvie hasn't has her characterization destroyed yet so she has that going for her.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/17/2023, 7:30 AM
"While there are those who feel this is some sort of slight to the character, it's likely tied to the fact the Scarlet Witch is supposed to be dead."

Well this wouldn't make any sense because Iron Man and Thanos are dead too. If they weren't including dead characters then why are they including them?
ptick
ptick - 8/17/2023, 12:41 PM
@CorndogBurglar - I imagine the real reason is a combination of marketing Loki and SW/Olsen's unclear status. Not only is the character's fate ambiguous, isn't Olsen not currently contracted for any more appearances (to the best of the public's knowledge)? I imagine that's one reason why her fate was left unclear at the end of MOM.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/17/2023, 1:40 PM
@ptick - Maybe. But again, RDJ isn't contracted for any more appearances either. Yet...there he is.

I'm not sure what the reasoning is behind removing her, but I think it makes sense to have heroes that represent the MCU since the very beginning, up until now. It's a book about the MCU's history and timeline. Why not include people from all over the MCU's history?

This just seems like a marketing choice. We've got Loki S2 coming out that includes Sylvie and Loki. We have no idea when Wanda will show back up. It could be years before we see her again. So why include her when we can include characters that can help promote not only this book, but also the show that's getting ready to start around the release of this book?

I think you're kind of saying the same thing, so please don't think I'm trying to argue or anything.
ptick
ptick - 8/20/2023, 4:34 PM
@CorndogBurglar - Right. I think the reason for Loki and Sylvie being included is marketing. I think the reason for taking out Olsen/SW is she's the one with an unclear future, both as a character and as an actress working with Marvel. RDJ's character had a definitive end. Of course they can always find a way to bring him back, but it was certainly written as definitive.
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 8/17/2023, 7:30 AM
Another day, another need to be needlessly outraged. Bet you Elizabeth Olsen isn’t even aware of this, nor will she care.
BlackStar25
BlackStar25 - 8/17/2023, 7:36 AM
What a bunch of cry babies...
dagenspear
dagenspear - 8/17/2023, 8:02 AM
@BlackStar25 - LORD willing, insulting isn't right.
Arnod
Arnod - 8/17/2023, 11:18 AM
@dagenspear - Stop saying that.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 8/17/2023, 11:33 AM
@Arnod - YHWH the One True Jehova God is very real. Jesus Christ is very real. The Holy Spirit is very real. And He is here for the world, for you to be saved, only by His will. God worked through Jesus Christ in the Holy Spirit to save our souls. And I will preach the Truth.

Believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins, and that God raised Him from the dead, repent of your sins, accept God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit into your heart and you will be saved.

He saved my soul, changed my heart, changed my mind, made me better, helped people through me. I've never been anything worth more than after God saved me.

Not long after I got saved I prayed to God for help understanding the Holy Bible, and that same day someone knocked on my door asking me if I wanted to understand the Bible.


Embracing God, Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit is the only Way, Truth and Life, always.
Arnod
Arnod - 8/17/2023, 1:04 PM
@dagenspear - What the [frick]
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/17/2023, 1:42 PM
@Arnod - I don't know bro. Dagen has been coming here for years and he never used to spout this religious stuff like this. Maybe he had some kind of coming to God situation in his life or something? Who knows.
Arnod
Arnod - 8/17/2023, 1:45 PM
@CorndogBurglar - Religous is fine. But seems zealot like.
ElvenKingSlayer
ElvenKingSlayer - 8/18/2023, 3:24 AM
@dagenspear - jfc dude
dagenspear
dagenspear - 8/18/2023, 4:46 AM
@CorndogBurglar -
@Arnod -

For as long as I think I've been here I've been a Christian. But sometimes I feel that God wants me to promote the Holy Word and Truth more. I was told to stop, but it's my duty and responsibility as a servant of God to promote the Truth, LORD willing, especially if I'm told not to. It's the right thing to do.
Arnod
Arnod - 8/19/2023, 9:35 AM
@dagenspear - You are clearly insane. Lmao.

No true Christian would spend his days on cbm.com. Go outside and help actual people and stop sounding like a zealot.
Thing94
Thing94 - 8/17/2023, 7:50 AM
New Loki season incoming I suspect that's why

Chill lol
Typhoon20
Typhoon20 - 8/17/2023, 7:50 AM
These Olsen fangirls are batshit insane. Fangirls/boys of celebs usually are but some are truly POS human beings.
Origame
Origame - 8/17/2023, 7:58 AM
All things considered this is clearly just marketing.

Scarlet witch isn't gonna be in anything in the foreseeable future.

Loki season 2 is coming, with loki and sylvie being the main characters.

Sam Wilson cap is having a movie being filmed.

Captain marvel has a sequel about to be released.

Shang chi is being built as an important part of the current slate of mcu films.

And iron man and Thanos are two of the most popular characters in the entire franchise (and you need something from the past in a book that's supposed to be about the timeline).

This is what happens when you dive into identity politics. It's never enough and you can never go back without the mob coming for your head.
ptick
ptick - 8/17/2023, 12:38 PM
@Origame - I don't think this particular issue has anything to do with identity politics. They took one white (presumably) straight character and replaced her with male and female white bisexual characters.

Any "backlash" (which I don't think even exists) would just be from people who are obsessed with Olsen/Scarlet Witch, not over "representation."
Origame
Origame - 8/17/2023, 12:52 PM
@ptick - while I don't believe the decision was made because of identity politics, the backlash is most likely from feminists who view her as an icon.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 8/17/2023, 8:02 AM
This is a nothing issue.
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