It is time for DC to break up with Warner Brothers

Other than Batman, and a few Superman movies, the potential of a greater DC universe continues to be squandered.

Editorial Opinion
By ironpool007 - Jul 03, 2011 08:07 PM EST
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You know it was really a shame how Green Lantern turned out. Yes I believe it was a good movie, but I also feel that in many ways it could have so much more. The reason it was not in my opinion is due to too much studio interference from Warner Brothers, and I can only see them doing the same thing on future DC adaptions.

The movie really had potential to be much too. I mean it had Martin Campell directing. One of the best directors of the last few decades if you ask me. He gave us Goldeneye and Casino Royale, which are both regarded as 2 of the best Bond movies of the last 2 decades because of not only action byut great stories behind them as well. Both films also introduced new actors playing Bond and helped launch both of their careers into super stardom. Yet, with Green Lantern, things did not seem to go so smoothly. The story felt rushed(mostly in the 1st half) and things sseemed to happen very randomly. We had not seen Hector Hammond for more than 5 minutes, before he was infected by Paralax, and Hal Jordan pent all of 15 minutes for his Green lantern training, when he should have been their for a day or 2.

Yet I refuse to believe Campbell is at fault. Say what you will that he was not a good fit for Green Lantern. I say he was the perfect fit for the movie. It was an origin story, and anyone who has watched Casino Royale, can tell you that Campbell is great at origin stories with good character development. No. Instead, I blame Warner Brothers, who gave us a movie that at 1 hour and 45 minutes was far too short, and did not have enough time to make us feel attached to the characters or care much about the conflict they faced. What we got from them was a movie that jumped from scene to scene rather than progress into them, probably because Warners was afraid our attention spans would not hold out, and that casual audiences would scoff at some of the more comic book elements of the film. I really do think Martin Campbell made a good movie, but we have yet to see it.

Yet for a director like Christopher Nolan, Warner Brothers let him do whatever he pleased. Now please folks, do not assume that this is an anti Nolan piece. I love Batman Begins and The Dark Knight and I bet The Dark Knight Rises will blow us all away, but their is no deneying that Warners is playing favorites, and any DC character that is not being courted by Nolan is given the short end of the stick. This should not be the case. Martin Campbell is every bit as good as Chris Nolan and Casino Royale was an origin story and reboot right on par with Batman Begins. Had Warners not meddled so much with Green Lantern, and not castrated the film's length, the film would have done far better critically and financially.

Therefore, I am suggesting that DC does what Marvel did when they formed Marvel Studios. If DC wants their characters, represented properly, with all of their comic book like traits, then DC Entertainment must be separated from Warner Brothers. That is the reason why Marvel Studios is sitting so pretty with their films. They had the smarts to realize the only way to make theur movies the way they wanted to for the fans was to form their own studio, and not to rely on other studios to decide the fates of their beloved characters. Sure Marvel is now under Disney management, but their movies are good because it is film makers who care about the projects making the decisions and not some studio executive changing things from the source material, because they feel it is too geeky. Believe me folks, Warners does not care about giving us fans a rich cinematic DC Uinverse. They care about money, and if they feel a character can not support a money making franchise, then they either micro manage the crap out of it, or ignore it altogether. Either way, we the fans lose. Marvel Studios on the other hand has taken many risks with their movies. Iron Man and Thor were potentially huge risks that people knew very little about. Yet, Marvel knew these characters were awesome and had faith in them, and they turned out great. Warner Brothers does not have faith in the DC characters besides Batman and Superman. And that is the is the reason why Green Lantern had so many problems.

This really does have to happen. If not then the fate of our beloved characters will forever be placed in the hands of people who do not believe in them, and will mishandle them as they see fit. If DC Entertainment becomes it own studio, then I think that we will finally see the DC movies that both fans and casual movie goers will love and remember for yearsto come.

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naterator
naterator - 7/3/2011, 8:47 PM
Affirmative!
SCOURGE
SCOURGE - 7/3/2011, 10:08 PM
Marvel's advantage is that they did it on their own first and THEN gotten eaten by the giant studio. I don't think DC could survive without Warner Brothers money in either publishing or in films.
ironpool007
ironpool007 - 7/3/2011, 11:48 PM
I just feel that it is a shame that DC has to make Warner Brothers happy so that they can stay in business. I mean they can't make a movie unless Warners say its ok. And even if Warners greenlights the movie, they micromanage the hell oout of it. When Marvel Studios wants to make a film, they make it. Thats how it's been with them since they formed the studio and I can only imagine that it will stay that way even with Disney in charge.
RoBdOg
RoBdOg - 7/4/2011, 12:00 AM
I think everyone needs to put most of the blame on the editors of this movie because that seemed to be the ones responsible for the movies biggest upset. There was just too many holes in it to make the story flow. Also it is every fans dream to see the same happen to DC and become its own studio however, that won't happen as WB seems to be just too powerful of a company for DC to just leave especially since millions of dollars do come DC's way for having just owning DC property. It just feels like its a war that was already won before it even bagan.

Anyway, after all this debate i read about over what happened to Green Lantern, I'm going to just simply wait for the dvd to come out and watch the commentary and the behind the scenes takes because I think that would make things a little more clearer for me to understand.
LP4
LP4 - 7/4/2011, 12:56 AM
I agree with this article. Anyone remember the shit-fest that was "Superman Returns" ??? Nearly 3 hours of Superman NOT throwing a single punch and stalking women.

Blech.

Also..."Catwoman" was a suck-ass film and "Steel" was a piece of garbage. The 2 Batman Schumacher flicks were horrid and the last 2 Reeve Superman films were weak-sauce.

Warner Bros [frick]ing BLOW at making CBMs.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 7/4/2011, 1:56 AM
LP4 @ RETURNS wasnt a bad movie your just not a true Superman fan.... sorry you cant be!

shitefest would be the last 3 seasons of SMALLVILLE that u liked wahahhahha!

And most of FOX's Marvel shit!

Btw DC is WB WB is DC so wtf??????

Again, WB has made 3 of the top 5 best cbms ever made = WATCHMEN SUPERMAN THE MOVIE & TDK!!!!

Swing on that lol.

GREEN LANTERN should have been more space epic but it was 10 times less an insult First Class and Green Hornet was!

Both them okay films, just.
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 7/4/2011, 3:40 AM
So, not liking a certain movie (LP4 disliking the awful Superman Returns for example) means you're not a "true fan". Riiight...

And you're saying Green Lantern wasn't an insult? Wow, guess I must have missed the issues Geoff Johns wrote where Hal quit the Corps after spending a measly 15 minutes on Oa and 90% of his time on Earth with a stiff Blake Lively and ridiculously over the top Peter Sarsgaard as Hector Hammond. Oh, not to mention a Parallax who looks like a cloud and an after credits scene which made zero sense. It certainly wasn't as bad as X-Men Origins: Wolverine or Fantastic Four, but it wasn't far off.

I'm sorry, but apart from a handful of hits (The Dark Knight, Watchmen, etc) Warner Bros. aren't much better than Fox. And seeing as Watchmen didn't do that well with a lot of critics (I personally loved it) or at the box office, I wouldn't exactly call that a hit either. Without Nolan, WB are [frick]ed. And regardless of how faithful X-Men: First Class was to the comic books (get over it already) it was still one of the best comic book movies ever.
thunderforce
thunderforce - 7/4/2011, 4:18 AM
They don't even have to be all on their own completely they just need to be a seperate entity with a studio of their own within Time warner . They could start out like Marvel and start small and just make one movie and still let Warner keep making Batman and Superman . But if they become successful can take on more and more and keep adding to their DC universe . That is what they need to do . I would think even if there would be 2 Batmans and Supermans one in Warners and one in the DC cinematic universe if people know they are seperate it could work . And I bet the DC universe guys would eventually beat out the Warner ones . So should DC just hire me now or what lol .
marvel72
marvel72 - 7/4/2011, 7:42 AM
@ ironpool007

i agree with everything you said,they need to branch out or sell the rights to characters that they're not passionate about to other studios.

marvel/disney would love to have all there characters under one roof so they can expand there universe even more but they can't,but dc/warner have & they have zero intrest in expanding it which sucks for dc fans.

when nolan goes they are f*cked!
ironpool007
ironpool007 - 7/4/2011, 10:23 AM
@thunderforce: Actually that is exactly what DC Entertainment is; a small studio within Warner Brothers. But look at where that's gotten us. Warners only makes Superman Batman movies, because those 2 characters are always safe bets to rake in the cash. As for everything else, they don't have an interest in expanding the DCU because they are afraid of how those movies will turn out. And even if they do, they practically babysit the film, squandering all of it's potential, which they should'nt do. Warners needs to learn to trust the source material. These comic books have around since the 30's and 40's. You would think they are doing something right.

Also food for thought. If DC does split with Warners, I wonder just how many characters they will be able to keep. Just like when Marvel made their own studio, they never got X-Men or Spider-Man, because those 2 franchise were 2 big for FOX and Sony to let go. I mean I'm not trying to contradict what I just wrote in this piece, but it would suck if DC Entertainment could not have Superman and Batman.

I still say a split is a goodmove though. Hell even the relaunch that DC is planning is being done partially to appease Warner Brothers. AS much as I'm curious to see the relaunch, I think it's very sad that DC essentially has to bend over for Warners like that.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/4/2011, 8:33 PM
this is ridiculous. TheGoddamnsuperguy said it right.

without WB, DC would have went bankrupt numerous times over the years.

There is a LOT more to DC that movies...mainly comics.

Marvel has been pretty consistant in beating DC in comic sales over the years, yet they still filed for bankruptcy multiple times in the past. DC never had to because they've had the backing of WB.


So if you're an actual comic fan, then you better hope WB never gives up DC.


Also, WB OWNS DC, they are not partners. the only way they would split is if WB kicked them to the curb. and that isn't happening. its not like DC has a choice to just up and leave...
golden123
golden123 - 7/5/2011, 9:28 AM
I was going to post, this comment, last night, but decided I would wait until today at lunch. CornDogBurglar said it great. DC and WB have a different relationship than what Marvel has with Fox and Sony. WB owns DC while Marvel is a business partner with Sony and Fox. The whole concept behind this article is fantasy. DC can't just abandon WB. Their not a part of a country that can succeed from the rest. It doesn't work that way.

@thunderforce: Even if DC could become their own studio, their are rights that would prohibite them from using characters such as Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, and more.
LP4
LP4 - 7/9/2011, 10:14 PM
@LEEE- Hey ASS, I AM a true Superman-fan. A TRUE Superman-fan wouldn't like Superman Returns. Because that film basically RAPED every, single principle Superman stands for. And i never said I LOVED the last 3 seasons of smallville, I just said i didn't hate it as much as I hated "Stalkerman Returns" yeah Superman as a stalker/bastard father. Yeah that is SUCH an accurate portrayal. YOU LEEE are NOT the true fan of Superman in the way I am. So DON'T go and tell me I'm not a fan.

@CorndogBurglar- Look I agree with you to SOME degree...DC owes WB for their financial backing. But I agree more with ironpool007 on this topic.

Let's be honest here, one of the many perks of being a comicbook fan and esp for us long-time comicbook fans is being able to finally see our heroes light up the big screen for ALL the world to see!

With Warners constantly strong-arming DC when it comes to the films, it's polarizing the fanbases and causing great rifts. DC is better off, going on their own with another studio or more and making better quality films.

Warner Bros has ZERO respect for the DC Universe or the fans.
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