SPIDER-MAN 4: Tom Holland On What It Will Take For Him To Return And Why He'd Like To Mentor Miles Morales

SPIDER-MAN 4: Tom Holland On What It Will Take For Him To Return And Why He'd Like To Mentor Miles Morales

Tom Holland has talked more about where things stand with Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures' Spider-Man 4, including expressing an interest in helping bring Miles Morales to live-action. Check it out...

By JoshWilding - Jun 07, 2023 06:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

During Spider-Man: No Way Home's press tour, Tom Holland strongly hinted that his time as Peter Parker might have reached its end. Something has changed since then, however, and the actor thankfully appears far more open to the idea of playing the web-slinger again.

In recent months, we've heard that Marvel Studios wants Holland's web-slinger to be Avengers: The Kang Dynasty's lead character and Sony Pictures' Amy Pascal has confirmed Spider-Man 4 talks are ongoing. 

Talking to Inverse about Apple TV+'s The Crowded Room, Holland remained positive but largely noncommital about where things stand with the next movie. 

"Whether or not it'll come to fruition, who knows?" he tells the site. "But right now it's looking pretty good, and we'll just have to wait and see." However, in a separate conversation with Kevin Polowy, Holland was quick to point out that, "If we can't find a way to compete with the third one, he'll swing off into the sunset."

We're guessing Spider-Man 4 will eventually happen, but the ongoing WGA strike has clearly slowed things down (we can't imagine the movie is going to swing into theaters before 2025 at the soonest). 

As for what we could see in the Spider-Man: No Way Home follow-up, Holland said, "I would be honored to bring Miles Morales into the live action world. How we do that, I don't know, but given the opportunity, I would jump at it."

Rumours continue to swirl about Miles being Peter's neighbour in Spider-Man 4, with this next trilogy devoted to the hero passing the mantle to the wall-crawler's successor in the Ultimate Universe. It would make sense, anyway, and should allow Holland to move on from the role so another young actor can pick up where he left off. 

Stay tuned for more updates as Spider-Man 4 as we have them. 

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vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 6/7/2023, 6:34 AM
After the stupidity in nwh, Miles should be mentoring him.
KWilly
KWilly - 6/7/2023, 7:21 AM
@vectorsigma - LOL seriously. It's like Tom's Peter is halfway through a lecture, and Miles is just like...

Origame
Origame - 6/7/2023, 7:53 AM
@vectorsigma - definitely needs a trilogy before miles. Because I'd rather him not be mentored by the guy who nearly destroyed all of reality to get into college.
Drace24
Drace24 - 6/7/2023, 8:43 AM
@vectorsigma - Yeah, that was my biggest problem with the MCU Spider-Man. He never felt like an actually competent superhero. They were too busy putting him in situations where he embarrasses himself, makes the dumbest decisions or needs to be rescued. In Homecoming I thought, okay, that's just the beginning of his character arc. There will be a learning curve. That'll be cool to see. But no, if anything he was even more incompetent in Far From Home. And in No Way Home he actually did seem kinda impressive here and there... but at that point it didn't even feel realistic anymore.

It's okay to make Peter Parker look like an anxious idiot. But as Spider-Man he needs to be cool. We need to feel that he has talent for this. But he just doesn't. Tom Holland mentoring anyone just doesn't feel earned.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 6/7/2023, 11:00 AM
@Drace24 - i agree in all of this
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 6/7/2023, 2:26 PM
@vectorsigma - so you dont think spider man should make mistakes.

Thank you for displaying you know nothing about the character.

Miles also inadvertently created the threat in this move as well but he get a pass?
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 6/7/2023, 9:23 PM
@Toonstrack - oh i do.

Maybe you havent realized yet how stupid peter and strange become just so he can go to college

And comparing the result of Miles' actions with Peter's from NWH?

I'll give you more time to think about it
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 6/8/2023, 1:57 AM
@vectorsigma - I've had plenty.

Peter didn't do that for himself he did it for his friends. Like thats made explicitly clear in the movie.

Doctor stranges plan would've worked but Peter made a mistake. It wasn't malicipusajd no one was intended to he harmed.

Miles likewise made decisions for the good of others that inadvertently caused problems.

That's pretty much the name of the game for spider man. I fail to see the problem.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 6/8/2023, 2:22 AM
@Toonstrack - the Holland spiderman was shown to be a genius. He blabbered about the multiverse in ffh. Then all of a sudden, in nwh, he didnt realize how damaging it couldve been for a spell to be disrupted mid casting. Even Wong warned about it.

Miles, also a genius, wasnt aware of the Spot resulting to him stopping the machine. He was instructed by the Peter in his universe and was given that usb. There is no way he can imagine something will go wrong in his situation.

So imo, Mile's situation was better written than the mcu Peter. There is also no way Strange will approve of it given the personality he has from the earlier films
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 6/8/2023, 3:51 PM
@vectorsigma - Holland didn't know how the multiverse worked in practice he just knew about its existence as a concept. Its an actual scientific theory ya know.

Wong warned about it but strange approved which is why Peter went along. If strange had said no, it wouldn't have happened.

Miles jumped into the mutliverze to chase Gwen because he wanted to see her again and stop spot. His presence there nearly led to pavitrs reality being destroyed.

Strnage is an arrogant know it all. Of course he'd think he could do it. And he wasn't wrong about that.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 6/7/2023, 6:44 AM
I feel Miles will do better outside the MCU. Have him pop up in Raimi/Maguire's universe with That Spider-Man being his mentor, and also father to Mayday who could potentially spin off into her franchise as Spider-girl. They can have their own proper live action Spider-verse through there.
Heck it would even work in Garfields' Spider-man,

I just cannot picture Holland's Spider-man as a mentor, unles Miles is like 10.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 6/7/2023, 6:59 AM
@UniqNo - you brought up the very reason why I don't need to see Miles in Maguire's movies. If they wanna continue those, Mayday is the perfect candidate to do so with imo.

If Miles is showing up outside the MCU, I rather see him in the Garfield/Venom universe. Although that might just work better with the other Spider-characters.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 6/7/2023, 7:36 AM
@bkmeijer1 - I agree with the Spider-girl continuation of the Raimi universe, but I feel if Miles was to show up, I just would like it outside the MCU.

Maguire could potentially be a supporting character in Miles' movie to the same respect of Downey's Iron -Man in Homecoming. With maybe a little peek into his home life with Mayday for a scene or 2, setting up her spin off, with another supporting role from Maguire and also launching Miles for his future projects without needing Tobey again. It will help sell the movie even if its just 2 minutes of screen time. I think that will get more ticket sales rather that Garfield, but his Spider-Man can also work.

Either way I think Tobey's Spider-Man would be alot easier to franchise out to Miles, Spider-girl, or whoever else as all the characters are already established or dead.. we never got round to seeing (officially) MJ or JJ James on etc in Garfields world.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 6/7/2023, 7:41 AM
@bkmeijer1 - they'll also be checking the 'woke' boxes in setting up a African Latino american lead aswell as young female superhero lead.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 6/7/2023, 8:35 AM
@UniqNo - I agree the Raimi unvierse is a far more interesting universe to launch these spin-offs from, but on the other hand it's style also feels a bit niche for an expanding universe.

The Webb movies, the Venom movies, Mobius and the upcoming Madame Webb and Kraven movies feel kinda flavourless, so there's a lot more directions to go in I feel.
zeon00
zeon00 - 6/7/2023, 10:09 PM
@bkmeijer1 - Peter and miles should be the same age
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 6/8/2023, 2:28 AM
@zeon00 - why so? Think it works with Miles being younger. Especially if he's the successor character
SirDuckAlot
SirDuckAlot - 6/7/2023, 6:47 AM
MCU Spider-Man just sucks and is a far cry from the best iterations of the character. I don't think Feige is right man to handle Spider-Man.
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 6/7/2023, 9:08 AM
@SirDuckAlot - Yet it performed better than any other live action Spidey film.
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 6/7/2023, 2:26 PM
@SirDuckAlot - its the best version of spidey on screen ever.
TempleRod
TempleRod - 6/7/2023, 6:47 AM
Oh, so another white guy mentoring a black kid.

That sounds exactly like what the world needs right now.
Way to go, Idiot Holland.
JonAwesome
JonAwesome - 6/7/2023, 6:58 AM
@TempleRod - you’re joking right?
OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 6/7/2023, 7:03 AM
@TempleRod - Another? Who are the others?
TempleRod
TempleRod - 6/7/2023, 7:12 AM
@OptimusCrime - We don't need a list of examples.

It's clear that American culture has some kind of fetish for demascunalizing white men and offering them up as neutered mentors.

I think Miles Morales is great as his own characater. His own Spider-Man, or being influenced by either a dead Peter like the comics, or a Strong living Peter. Which we haven't seen.

Instead we get weak nebbish family Peter. All the time.
Ad Nauseum.


Answer is obvious.
This culture is afraid of competent white men.

Marvel is out of ideas.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 6/7/2023, 8:08 AM
@TempleRod - Miles Morales isn’t some character without a solid fan base struggling to make a profit like Shazam. Or the Flash, even. That “black kid” has the biggest CBM of the year, and is carrying one of the most successful franchises running. Put some respect on his name.
TempleRod
TempleRod - 6/7/2023, 8:12 AM
@PlusUltra - I do give respect to Miles Morales.
That the reason I don't want him being mentored by some nebbish white guy.

Miles is by far the best legacy character Marvel has ever had.
TempleRod
TempleRod - 6/7/2023, 8:18 AM
I mean IN THE COMICS, by the way,
cartoons recently don't really live up to that.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 6/7/2023, 8:24 AM
@TempleRod - Nebbish white guy? You mean same guy that’s fought Avengers, aliens, villains from other universes as well as his own, saved London, and helped save the universe, scarified everything and has more experience than the other two live action Spider-Men combined? That nebbish white guy? You need to be putting some respect of MCU Peter’s name as well.

And those “cartoons” are not only better than nearly all live action CBMs, but have exceeded the comics in terms of doing Miles Morales justice. It’s kind of funny how you have such an issue when cartoons, when all anybody talks about when it comes to Batman and Superman are their 90s cartoons, including James Gunn.
OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 6/7/2023, 10:02 AM
@TempleRod - so you cant back up your claim.
Then it means nothing
Fosilly
Fosilly - 6/7/2023, 6:55 AM
What will it take for him to return? Bigger paycheck.
Let's not kid ourselves, these interviews are him being polite.
Don't get me wrong, I do believe Tom Holland loves the role and would love to explore more of the character in different ways, but acting is a job first and foremost.
Deklipz
Deklipz - 6/7/2023, 8:37 AM
@Fosilly - Out of contract interviews are generally used to put pressure on studios during negotiations which seem to be ongoing at the moment. By stating these things he’s telling the studio he wants to see at least two things. Character growth and a natural off-ramp for IF he chooses to bow out at some point. He could stay another decade or more, but mentoring another spidey would give his spidey room to grow more and provide a legacy character for him to pass the mantle to if/when he chooses to bounce out.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 6/7/2023, 6:57 AM
Yeah, I'm confident Holland will return for another trilogy. My guess is those movies will premiere in 2025, 2027 and 2029 and then we'll get a trilogy with Miles Morales.

As for Miles himself, I could see him get introduced in 4, get his powers in 5, and take the identity of Spider-Man in 6.
kg8817
kg8817 - 6/7/2023, 7:11 AM
It actually makes sense to bring in Miles now, but as a supporting role - to build him up.

Tom’s Spidey has no one. At all. Not even a Ned. They could easily build up miles as a Ned “lite” replacement; just someone he can confide in. And especially meeting miles’ family, meeting his dad (who hopefully is an officer/chief) to see that non-vigilante Justice works and someone is out there fighting the everyday fight on the streets. Rio could be a positive mother-like figure to him too.

It is perfect to build him up like they did Ned in homecoming in 4, and either at the end of the movie he gets the spider bite, or in 5 to take the mantle in 6.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/7/2023, 7:13 AM
"If we can't find a way to compete with the third one, he'll swing off into the sunset."

First of all, I don't think they should be thinking of topping NWH but rather going more small scale.
Having him grow up a bit more, get laid, fight the gritty underworld with Daredevil, etc. That's the only way to go.

Besides, he's gonna be in the Avengers movies right? Kang Dynasty should top NWH in terms of epic multiversal stakes and cameos etc. And then Secret Wars will be that times a bazillion.

So I'd go smaller and grittier, dirtier. Kraven is coming out and is r-rated, maybe step up to the plate a little. Sell us a darker Spider-man for once.
This is probably the last time we'll have an adult Spider-man for a while if they're rebooting after Secret Wars. (I can't see a younger Tony Stark and then a mid-thirties Tom Holland. Spider-Man should be younger than the rest of the heroes, not older).
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 6/7/2023, 7:32 AM
Tom Holland used to feel like the young whippersnapper when he joined the MCU. Now he feels seasoned. Peter Parker has grown...
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 6/7/2023, 8:03 AM
Bringing Miles in is the way to compete with the last. There’s a hunger for Miles in live action, especially after the success of Spider-Verse, so the hype it’d generate would be immeasurable.
Order66
Order66 - 6/7/2023, 8:20 AM
Spider-Man 6 Miles gets his powers.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 6/7/2023, 8:31 AM
@Order66 - He’ll get him in 4 at the very least. Miles is everywhere but live action, so they’re going to strike while that irons hot, especially when Holland is pushing for it too. It’s the next step that organically makes sense.





Order66
Order66 - 6/7/2023, 8:46 AM
@PlusUltra - they have to build the relationship between Peter and Miles. It’s going to take a few movies. Can’t just give him powers. At least introduce him.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 6/7/2023, 9:00 AM
@Order66 - They already built a relationship between Peter and Miles in 1 movie. Prolonging it does nothing but drag out his origin, and there’s no way they’re going to miss the opportunity of having them both swing around for a few movies, nor do they need to. Miles isn’t Rhodey or Falcon. He’s already carrying his own successful franchise, and has a massive built in fan base. If they introduce Miles and do nothing with him, they’ll just piss everybody off for sequel bating.
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