LOKI Writer On DOCTOR STRANGE Sequel Connections And Whether The Sorcerer Supreme Knows About The TVA

LOKI Writer On DOCTOR STRANGE Sequel Connections And Whether The Sorcerer Supreme Knows About The TVA

Loki writer Michael Waldron weighs in on whether the Disney+ series lays the groundwork for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, while commenting on the possibility that Stephen knows of the TVA.

By JoshWilding - Jun 11, 2021 03:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Loki

The first episode of Loki has left us with a lot of questions, particularly when it comes to the role the Time Variance Authority plays in the wider Marvel Cinematic Universe. The God of Mischief has never heard of them before, so if even an Asgardian is unaware of their existence, what about the Sorcerer Supreme? 

Talking to The Direct, Head Writer Michael Waldron was asked whether Stephen Strange knows about the TVA heading into Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (which he also wrote). 

"We don't really know," he teased. "It would be interesting if they did. I think what we see with the TVA is, whereas the folks at Kamar-Taj are dealing things in a magical way, the TVA is paperwork. Its bureaucracy. It appears to be a little more science-based."

As for whether the plan is for Loki to lead into Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - the premiere did tease "madness" in the Multiverse - Waldron kept his cards close to his chest in an interview with ComicBook.com"I think everybody will have a better idea of that when on the other end of it. I'll just say that our charge and the goal from the beginning was telling a complete, thrilling story that can stand alone, and by the end of it, we'll see what we blew the lid on."

"From day one, we were like, 'Look, this thing should be as vital as a movie.' There was no cap on our imagination, or on what we could do or what we couldn't do because it was on Disney+," he continued. "As far as we were concerned, we were telling the next, most important chapter in the MCU. And so, that meant, 'Yeah, let's get Infinity Stones in there.'"

It's hard to imagine Loki not setting the stage for the Doctor Strange sequel in some way, but it's no great surprise that Waldron is choosing his words carefully at this stage. 

As disappointing to hear as this might be, if Marvel Studios is using this series to set up the MCU's version of the Multiverse, we might not get a trailer for Spider-Man: No Way Home until after the season ends. Time will tell on that front, but let us know your thoughts on these comments from Waldron below.

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bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 6/11/2021, 3:47 AM
Don't think Strange or the Ancient One knows about the TVA, otherwise they probably would've given a warning
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/11/2021, 3:54 AM
@bkmeijer - Right. The only way that would make sense is if Strange or the Ancient One knew that the Avengers were SUPPOSED to do the time heist. But even that seems extremely unlikely.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 6/11/2021, 4:27 AM
@CorndogBurglar - well Strange did look into the future, but we don't know what he saw. Not the TVA atleast I guess
MadThanos
MadThanos - 6/11/2021, 4:53 AM
@CorndogBurglar - there's something very fishy about that line.

The TVA is manipulating the multiverse and I'm not sure that it's at good heart.
IronDean2099
IronDean2099 - 6/11/2021, 5:06 AM
@MadThanos - my theory is that Kang is the TVA and is trying to manipulate the timeline to his own ends.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/11/2021, 5:24 AM
@MadThanos - Agreed. And if they aren't doing it for their own purposes, then WHO determines what is and isn't supposed to happen?
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/11/2021, 5:31 AM
@IronDean2099 - My only question with that theory is why would Kang be the villain in Antman 3 if the Avengers were supposed to do the time heist? If he's the leader of the TVA then what the Avengers did must have benefitted him in some way, otherwise wouldn't he have the TVA wipe out the Avengers' timeline? And Antman knowing about the Quantum Realm and being able to shrink things was a huge part of figuring out time travel. So why would Kang have it in for Antman if he played such an integral role in the Avengers doing the time heist.....which was supposed to happen.
IronDean2099
IronDean2099 - 6/11/2021, 7:07 AM
@CorndogBurglar - maybe Kang needed that specific sequence of events. Maybe he needed Thanos gone. Kang will butt heads with Any Man because they keep messing up his Quantum realm or something I would imagine.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/11/2021, 7:31 AM
@IronDean2099 - Yeah, that could be. Like maybe Antman doesn't realize the effects he's having on the quantum realm by using it. And....he was stuck in there for years also.
IronDean2099
IronDean2099 - 6/11/2021, 8:26 AM
@CorndogBurglar - I also think the TVA city is in tbe quantum realm. There was originally going to be a quantum city in AMATW but they cut it and I believe that's what we're seeing now.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/11/2021, 10:01 AM
@IronDean2099 - Oh thats a good theory. And technically, you CAN see a little city in the background of the Quantum Realm in AMATW.
IronDean2099
IronDean2099 - 6/11/2021, 10:05 AM
@CorndogBurglar - I love Ant Man and the Young Avengers so I have spent a lot of time thinking about it.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/11/2021, 12:22 PM
@bkmeijer - Not really. If the sorcerers knew of TVA and the inevitability of things (sacred timeline) they would know then that if something that wasn't supposed to happen just happened... The TVA would interfere.

They will fight but they also understand sometimes bad things are supposed to happen.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/11/2021, 12:23 PM
@MadThanos - I'm calling it now:

I believe TVA will be dismantled in the end of the series and the MULTIVERSE MADNESS will begin.

Who knows what could happen then.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/11/2021, 12:23 PM
@IronDean2099 - My guess is Kang or other enemy appears when TVA is no more.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 6/11/2021, 12:34 PM
@Fogs - That makes a lot of sense.
IronDean2099
IronDean2099 - 6/11/2021, 12:42 PM
@Fogs - I think Kang is being chase by the TVA but is also the one who created them and it's a whole big time loop with the three different versions of himself constantly chasing each other.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/11/2021, 2:18 PM
@CorndogBurglar - TVA is kind of a bureaucratic laughing stock now but we'll see their importance when it's burned to the ground... lol
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 6/11/2021, 2:34 PM
@Fogs - I just wonder then what any of the other 14 million timelines mean that Strange saw. And if the TVA played a role in any of those
MadThanos
MadThanos - 6/11/2021, 5:55 PM
@Fogs - i like that!
DoubleD
DoubleD - 6/11/2021, 3:55 AM
Looks like Mephisto will not even be the villain in Doctor Strange but a Evil version of Loki will be the main bad.

Fares
Fares - 6/11/2021, 4:45 AM
@DoubleD - It's funny to say an "evil version" of Loki, since Loki was the main antagonist before and to an extent, a little evil.
DoubleD
DoubleD - 6/11/2021, 4:57 AM
@Fares - Evil Loki waiting to get out.

Fares
Fares - 6/11/2021, 6:17 AM
@Waddles - Yeah he's more of a child wanting to earn his father's admiration through world domination.
But he's still a Laufeyson, mischief is in his blood. And I'm sure the german guy that got his eye gouged out still holds a grudge against Loki. It wasn't exactly a "not evil" prank.
Fares
Fares - 6/11/2021, 6:45 AM
@Waddles - I think that Asgardian culture definitely holds physical harm at such a low regard. Seeing how everyone seems to be losing an eye in Odin's family, I say they're pretty careless.
DoubleD
DoubleD - 6/11/2021, 6:59 AM
@Waddles - Loki sure murdered a lot of New Yorkers in Avengers that's pretty little evil.
Menks123
Menks123 - 6/11/2021, 7:22 AM
@Waddles - I loved that scene so much, because it felt very relatable minus the stabbing lmao if you have brothers.

Also, Chris' delivery was so good of it.
JonC
JonC - 6/11/2021, 10:15 AM
@Fares - i want to know if Sprite is yet another variant of Loki, or possibly all Loki's variants originate from Sprite? he is known to be mischievous and wears colors similar to Loki.
JonC
JonC - 6/11/2021, 10:16 AM
@JonC -
McMurdo
McMurdo - 6/11/2021, 12:20 PM
@DoubleD - which is kinda cooler
LSHF
LSHF - 6/11/2021, 10:54 PM
@Waddles - "I'm convinced that Loki was never "Evil" per se... he's just a little drama goth kid brother who takes his pranks a bit too far because he has a thing for dramatic flair..."

Well, aside from all the killing he personally did and the death he caused and helped cause in the first two Thor films and the Avengers film, yep, just a bunch of pranks. LOL.

I'm just giving you a hard time. ; - )
LSHF
LSHF - 6/11/2021, 11:02 PM
@Waddles - Interesting psychology going on here, but my oldest brother had a different biological father, and he grew up thinking we shared the same biological father until his early teens when he was first told he had a different father.

After that, he hated our parents and he copped a horrible attitude for the rest of his life (he is dead now).

I don't know how common this is, but despite the fact that my father treated him with as much love as the rest of us (if not more), all he whine to himself about is that he was lied to by his parents. Even in adulthood, he never tried to understand their point of view, and that they were concerned that maybe telling him, "Your real father skipped out and left town before you were born; sorry." wasn't the best of ideas at the time (he born around 1950).

But, then Loki was messed up in the head "before" he found out, so maybe it's not the same thing.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 6/11/2021, 3:57 AM
I liked the first episode a lot. Looking forward to more abstract shows like this and Wandavision, and less cookie cutter shows like FatWS
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 6/11/2021, 4:33 AM
@bobevanz - The beautiful thing about the MCU is that it gives us both. Something for everyone.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 6/11/2021, 4:16 AM
It would be interesting if they did know, Strange and The Ancient One knew. Like it’s stated above, the TVA is this bureaucratic, monotonous entity that’s more technical. The folks at Kamar-Taj do their thing and the TVA does theirs. Both allow the other to operate like the Alphabet Agencies do one another.
MarvelousMarty
MarvelousMarty - 6/11/2021, 4:48 AM
Watched it last night, Tom and Owen are fantastic. Enjoyed it and looking forward to episode 2.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 6/11/2021, 5:20 AM
You see, I was saying Dr Strange is like a huge "F You" to the TVA since he literally Lee the avengers to the ONE outcome in which they win. Like, they're just gonna Yada Yada and say Thanos was always meant to lose?

Also, what about that time loop with Dormameau? No warning?
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 6/11/2021, 5:20 AM
@DannRamm113 - he literally led *
DaHyro
DaHyro - 6/11/2021, 6:41 AM
@DannRamm113 - @DannRamm113 - Their answer was “it was supposed to happen”. It’s lazy writing, but it basically means everything the Avengers did is fine but Loki (who did very little) was taken. It doesn’t even make any sense considering that they fought a 2014 Thanos (whose timeline is now without him, meaning it never experienced GOTG1&2/IW/EG), Steve went back to smash Peggy for 70 years and stopped her from having the husband & wife she eventually got, and… you know…

There’s literally a 2014 Gamora out there in 2023 that very likely will be sticking around.

Dormammu is from a dimension where time has no meaning, so that one is fine.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 6/11/2021, 8:52 AM
@DaHyro - “...it basically means everything the Avengers did is fine but Loki (who did very little) was taken.”

Yes. People have some preconceived notion that the TVA is concerned with punishing time travelers, but they’re clearly not. (The last scene of the first episode has a TVA team travel to 1800’s Oklahoma, surmise that somebody found a time machine and decided to make themselves rich, and that it wasn’t worth the paperwork to try to find them. They just go to “prune” the timeline branch and move on.

Miss Minutes explains that “Variants”, the ones we see arrested by the TVA, are just people who go off the chosen script. Maybe they “started an uprising” or maybe “you were just late for for work”. It has nothing to do with right or wrong actions, or big enough events.

The TVA’s purpose is to ensure that their chosen timeline remains supreme by quashing others. Clearly a huge split between timelines would be that point where half of all life in the universe was wiped out and restored, or it just remained wiped out. The “sacred” timeline included the Avengers restoring half of all life, so those actions are perfectly fine with the TVA.
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