AVENGERS 5 And AVENGERS: SECRET WARS Get A Rumored Release Update Amid MCU's Ongoing Creative Overhaul

AVENGERS 5 And AVENGERS: SECRET WARS Get A Rumored Release Update Amid MCU's Ongoing Creative Overhaul

With so many changes being made to the Marvel Cinematic Universe behind the scenes, we have a big update on where things currently stand with Avengers 5 and Avengers: Secret Wars. Read on for details...

By JoshWilding - May 19, 2024 05:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers

It's now been over 5 years since Marvel Studios last released an Avengers movie. While COVID and last year's strikes have to take some of the blame, it's fair to say the MCU's heroes should have re-assembled by now. 

As we write this, Avengers 5 (previously titled The Kang Dynasty) is currently scheduled to arrive in theaters on May 1, 2026, with Avengers: Secret Wars set to follow on May 7, 2027.

With Disney CEO Bob Iger pushing for Marvel Studios to get back top quality over quantity, there are concerns that there's no longer enough time to effectively build to the stories which need to be told in those movies. Then, there's the fact the Multiverse Saga's new big bad, Kang, is reportedly being sidelined. 

It's easy to forget that we only saw Thanos in a few brief scenes before Avengers: Infinity War so the villain - or some Variant of him - can still work, especially as Loki and Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania have at least established the time-traveller's presence in the MCU. 

According to scooper Daniel Richtman, regardless of the changes being made behind the scenes, both of the upcoming Avengers movies remain on track to be released as planned in 2026 and 2027.

We'd bet on Marvel Studios not having much say in potential delays because Disney needs some guaranteed box office hits and a two-part event like Secret Wars could turn around both their and the MCU's recent struggles. 

Neither of the upcoming Avengers movies has a director after Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings director Destin Daniel Cretton stepped down from the fifth instalment last year. The Kang Dynasty also lost its title and writer Jeff Loveness following Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania's poor performance and Jonathan Majors' legal issues. 

Michael Waldron (LokiDoctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness) is now penning both movies. 

We don't know what's in store with either movie, but Robert Downey Jr. recently confirmed he's open to playing Iron Man again. "That role chose me," he said. "And look, I always say, 'Never, ever bet against Kevin Feige.'"

"It is a losing bet. He’s the house. He will always win," the actor added.

Despite Downey's willingness to return, Kevin Feige has vowed not to undo Tony Stark's heroic sacrifice in Avengers: Endgame. "We all worked very hard for many years to get to that, and we would never want to magically undo it in any way," he confirmed last year. 

Stay tuned for more Avengers updates as we have them.

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Vigor
Vigor - 5/19/2024, 5:36 AM
Can still do Kang. Just wrap the story up quicker
Kang war can be the gateway drug to more serious issues such as secret wars. It can be done

Number 1 -- focus on the characters you've introduced. If I don't see she hulk blushing over Thors biceps soon, I'm going to lose it
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/19/2024, 11:34 AM
@Vigor - Kang should be the villain of Young Avengers, leading into A5.
Vigor
Vigor - 5/19/2024, 12:04 PM
@ObserverIO - I'd welcome that
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 5/19/2024, 1:58 PM
@ObserverIO - I have been saying this too. Ms. Marvel season 2 should be about Fury using Kamala to find other young heroes to recruit since the world keeps losing older heroes. The Team could consist of Ms. Marvel, Kate Bishop, Cassie Lang, Iron Heart, Eli Bradley, and America Chavez. With Fury using Intel he received from Scott Lang about Kang and information he received from an anonymous source about variants and one on Earth 616 looking to hunt and kill various heroes to accelerate an upcoming war.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/19/2024, 3:24 PM
@SonOfAGif - Exactly, and if Iron Heart is the MCU version of Iron Lad, maybe she can be the Kang variant instead. Kang is literally baked into the Young Avengers lore.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 5/19/2024, 4:35 PM
@ObserverIO - Or make Iron Lad the villain where he eventually turns good to help the Young Avengers defeat an older Kang Variant.
JDL
JDL - 5/19/2024, 6:54 PM
@SonOfAGif - 5 females and one poor hen-pecked guy. Yeah that will go over well.

I would drop Iron Heart and America Chavez and add Wanda's two kids. Yes I know they faded on 616 but if I can think of a good way to do it then surely the writers can come up with 4 or 5.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 5/20/2024, 1:37 PM
@JDL - It doesn't matter whose on the roster. They're just there to get defeated immediately by the villain in a similar vein to how the Asgardians fell to Thanos.
JDL
JDL - 5/20/2024, 2:09 PM
@SonOfAGif - The Avengers replaced the Asgardians, Who replaces these kids ? The Tunderbots ? The Avengers roster is pretty much wiped out and what's left couldn't do much better than a YA group.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 5/20/2024, 6:33 PM
@JDL - I doubt they will add Chavez to the roster of a young Avengers team initially tbh, her main power wouldn't make much sense for most the stories I would expect them to start out with. Unsure they would Iron Heart either although she would have a stronger chance of being on it after her show.

I can however see them adding in Eli from FatWS and Wanda's kids after they are reintroduced in Agatha and/or Visions show for a three-three mix with Kamala, kate and Cassie.

On top of that they could, as Ms. Marvel is doing the recruiting, add in Red Dagger & kamran from her show and there is also Hulk's Son, Heimdall's Son, T'Challa's Son (depending how soon they get around to it), Love from Thor L&T, Kid Loki and Phylla to choose from off the top of my head (as well as having White Vision as part of the thing).

Sure some haven't all been explored/introduced sufficiently yet but the list of availables is longer then most realise and only need a few who have had a major role to then also add a few others who haven't had much development.

If a Young Avengers team will workout and turn into a good show (as think at first more likely to start out on D+) and if there is suffice demand is open to question but tend to think they won't do a reverse first Avengers and only have one male. Tend to think they will plan on at least Wiccan plus as standin for Hulkline with Skaar at minimum for a 3/2 mix starting point upto maybe a 4/3 mix plus White Vision then add to that as they go along.
JDL
JDL - 5/20/2024, 11:50 PM
@Apophis71 - You might be right on Skaar, especially if they go past a party of 6 or if Speed is benched at the beginning. Having checked out Wiccan & Speed a bit the latter is not unrealistic at all.

Hmmmm. That leaves a guy slot open and the more I think about it young T'Challa does a lot of positive things. It shuts up the RECAST NOW ! folks. Doesn't overpower anything and adds some Wakanda folks in as senior management. (If you think the Wakanda Guard doesn't show up in quantity for the kid you are nuts) That also may provide some tech and financial support. What do you think ?
JDL
JDL - 5/21/2024, 3:24 AM
@Apophis71 - It might be dependent on what are the most affordable VFX and practical effects.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 5/21/2024, 7:27 AM
@JDL - With young T'Challa realy depends how soon it will happen but if old enough then can completely see it.

As I say Chavezs powerset doesn't make much sense at first and could be tougher to explain how they know about her and contact her. I think they will first want to do her story with Wong or Strange finding out the truth of her origins before they would consider her on Young Avengers unless a narrative reason they need someone able to jump between alternate timelines.

The original team had Iron Lad so they COULD use Riri but as it was realy Kang prefer they stuck with that tbh, sets them up with a narrative reason to have a supporting team role in Secret War at which point Iron Lad could switch to ally in order to help them and the main Avengers take down an evolved Beyonder form of a Kang Variant.

Patriot was on the first team and as they introduced Eli and his Grandad seems sensible they go there with that, if they do the whole not realy got his powers from Isaiah and using a dodgy temp serum instead unsure however and don't realy mind either way.

An actual Hulkling wouldn't be impossible to do something close to that after Secret Invasion but feel more likely they will use Skaar.

Speed joined later and unclear when they will intro the teen version of him yet as was supposed to be coming in Visions show. Wiccan is in Agatha and if they are planning on Young Avengers using that to complete his intro in the absence of Wanda (for now) then that is a sound reason for that show to have gone ahead.

Then of course we already know from the End credit they are going with Stature and Kate Bishop in all likelihood.

So for now, until White Vision returns, they could use Clint and his Wife as the Fury & Maria Hill for the team and have the initial lineup being Patriot, Skaar, Wiccan, Kate Bishop, Cassie, with Ms. Marvel as a starting point who could face off against Iron Lad instead of him ever doing the fakeout stuff as way too easy to spoil that. They could then go get the assistance of Iron Heart to help to counter his armor if they fail on first encounters, I am just unsure if Riri would become an actual member but it is possible.

Once we've had Vision Quest where Speed was rumoured to return in then you can add those two to the mix, as I say Toussaint/T'Challa will likely join too if at a point where old enough to make sense.

They will also likely have any other younger characters appear at points if the narrative dictates such as Heimdall's Son who can remote communicate and/or teleport them when a narrative need but likely won't join full term, same with maybe an encounter with Kid Loki at some point which could be an antagonist or temp ally narratively speaking. I'm assuming at first, if pre-Secret War, it will be a show not a film then they can have a role in that.

Next Saga should be primarily Xmen/mutant centric, plus the Fantastic Four, but the Young Avengers could be promoted to a film at some point during that by which time they will all be adults anyway but I don't think they should rush towards that at all when ample full adults to form an older Avengers team with if keeping going with having big screen teamups with any of those so keeping them just for D+ for a decent length of time makes more sense to me until there is a REALY good reason to switch to films IMO as you would tend to want a slower build towards being able to take on film level main Avengers type villains.
JDL
JDL - 5/21/2024, 3:38 PM
@Apophis71 - Aboslutely agree this is a D+ property. Whether or not it ever has a movie is another matter. If it gets popular enough then yeah but anymore nothing is certain.
Gambito
Gambito - 5/19/2024, 5:45 AM
So no date really?


bobevanz
bobevanz - 5/19/2024, 11:09 AM
@Gambito - Richman doesn't know because he makes up most of what he says lol Josh keeps him busy
Scarilian
Scarilian - 5/19/2024, 2:26 PM
@Gambito -
I imagine most the slate is dependent on Deadpool 3 performing well. That coupled with the performance tracking indicators for the 2025 films.

Most likely we are going to see delays to projects:
2025 - Captain America 4 (May), Fantastic Four (July), Thunderbolts (Nov)
2026 - Blade (Feb), Spider-man 4 (July), Armour Wars (Nov)
2027 - Avengers 5 (May), Shang Chi 2 (July), Doctor Strange 3 (Nov)
2028 - X-Force (Feb), Avengers Secret Wars (May), Avengers Forever (Nov)
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 5/19/2024, 5:47 AM
Long as they stick the landing, we good.

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Vigor
Vigor - 5/19/2024, 5:56 AM
@IAmAHoot - the age of ultron suit is underrated
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 5/19/2024, 6:18 AM
@Vigor - it is the glue of the infinity saga and very entertaining
TheMetaMan
TheMetaMan - 5/19/2024, 6:20 AM
@IAmAHoot - Is that actually Chris Evans doing the flip or his stunt double? I can’t tell.
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 5/19/2024, 6:35 AM
@TheMetaMan - Stunt double, Andy Lister. But from the gif, I'd have thought it was Evans otherwise.

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ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 5/19/2024, 9:15 AM
@Vigor - for some reason I missed the word suit.... must've still been asleep
Vigor
Vigor - 5/19/2024, 9:26 AM
@ProfessorWhy - I was confused lol
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 5/19/2024, 9:40 AM
@Vigor - User Comment Image
TheMetaMan
TheMetaMan - 5/19/2024, 10:16 AM
@IAmAHoot - I was gonna say - damn I didn’t know that evans was that acrobatic lol. 😄
RolandD
RolandD - 5/19/2024, 12:38 PM
@TheMetaMan - I was wondering the same thing. I mean, I was pretty sure it would have to be a stable but in that gif, he looks just like Evans. Then again that’s what’s supposed to happen.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 5/19/2024, 2:22 PM
@IAmAHoot -
Sticking the landing only works if you do the prior aspects correct.

Avengers 5 & 6 won't have the resonating factors because the prior material won't be established enough for people to be invested/care. You can't have a 'Captain America with the Shield' moment because they haven't set-up anything and anything that they may acknowledge or reference is from media a majority of the general audience won't have watched.
IAmAHoot
IAmAHoot - 5/19/2024, 3:53 PM
@Scarilian - I am invested and I do care, so I'm already with them. You got more work cut out for you than I do.
ChrisRed
ChrisRed - 5/19/2024, 5:49 AM
Why not just recast Kang and continue the stories of Avengers 5 and 6 as planned? Provided that the stories were good of course.

Finish the Multiverse Saga and continue on with Doctor Strange 3, Young Avengers, Hawkeye S2, Blade and all the other stuff on the plate in addition to FINALLY introducing the X-Men when the Fox contracts are expired.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 5/19/2024, 6:49 AM
@ChrisRed - recast? may i remind you Jonathnan Majors waz kang and shieeeeet
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 5/19/2024, 9:21 AM
@ChrisRed - Recast should be an easy option considering it is established not all Variants need look the same even if an Endcredit suggested otherwise with Kang. The simplest option is having the big bad being a much older actor taking on an evolved form of the one from AM3, can also include a younger actor for a potential Iron Lad too then maybe a third around the same age as Majors.

Sure I get why some think Quantumania broke Kang but he is only human so stripped of tech is as easy to defeat as Tony would be without armor. Him having evolved due to being thrown into his device can easily make him a far greater threat suffice for Avengers 5 and 6.
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 5/19/2024, 9:41 AM
@Malatrova15 - go away with your 15th account. Yes, we all know.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 5/19/2024, 11:09 AM
@RegularPoochie - but why
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 5/19/2024, 1:07 PM
@Malatrova15 - what why?
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 5/19/2024, 3:02 PM
@RegularPoochie - why you ask me this stuff
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 5/19/2024, 10:30 PM
@Malatrova15 - well, you asked me, I just made a statement?
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 5/19/2024, 6:05 AM
Remember, on this site, this is the definition:

Big update = rumor
TheMetaMan
TheMetaMan - 5/19/2024, 6:21 AM
@vectorsigma - 😃😃😁😆😂😅 So true.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 5/19/2024, 11:11 AM
@vectorsigma - reportedly = that's what the patreon said after I gave them money lol
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