AVENGERS: AOU - Why Tony Won't be Ultron's Direct Creator

AVENGERS: AOU - Why Tony Won't be Ultron's Direct Creator

Edgy gives his opinion on why he thinks, Tony won't be the exact creator of the titular villain. The Winter Soldier spoilers lie ahead

Editorial Opinion
By EdgyOutsider - Mar 24, 2014 03:03 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers

The Avengers: Age of Ultron is one of the most anticipated sequels, let alone movies in recent years. Back at San Diego comic-con, it was announced that Ultron would be the villain and the teaser gave us the implication that Tony Stark would create Ultron and that the titular villain would be either a corrupted J.A.R.V.I.S or Vision would be an evolution of J.A.R.V.IS well, I'm here to tell you that Tony will not be the direct creator of our villain. Here's why: SPOILERS AHEAD for those who have yet to see The Winter Soldier (I spoiled it for myself but, ah well).

This will not be a long editorial so, bare with me. Does anybody remember the initial problem the characters faced in, Iron Man 2? Well, probably not because everybody thinks it's crap. I don't think so but, I'm not saying it's great either. The initial problem was that around the world, people were trying to build Iron Man like suits to replicate Tony's own Iron Man suits. See where I am going with this? Let me elaborate. This is where spoilers arise so, you've been forewarned.

What If... (see what I did there?) H.Y.D.R.A found a way to replicate Tony's work? They use it to build Ultron, an evil robot with sentient life that serves H.Y.D.R.A  and it turns on them. It is seen as an evil Iron Man prototype. Ultron from there on out becomes the Ultron we all know and love. He has an evolution throughout the film where his look eventually becomes the comic look we all think of when we think of, Ultron. He builds drones, Vision and maybe if they go the Ultimates route, falls in love with Scarlet Witch. Why do I think this? It's quite simple really.

We get H.Y.D.R.A trying to rebuild and show it's ugly rear back into the world, builds Ultron and as Ultron usually goes: Turns on his "father", falls in love with a woman, builds Vision and the rest is history. You get his origin with a slight change and everything else that comes with Ultron. Sure, Joss as said it involves The Avengers personally. But, why does it have to be directly from them? Tony has a part in it without actually building him, Cap's long time enemies are the creators and everything else is based as a form of defense after the battle of New York and their capture of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.

Thoughts? Comment below and tell me what you think. Personally, I think I am onto something. Even if it's wrong.




 

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Interestein
Interestein - 3/24/2014, 3:34 PM
I don't see any spoilers?
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 3/24/2014, 3:39 PM
@interestein: I guess Hydras return isn't a spoiler since everybody I assumed they'd return and have a big part from here on out
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 3/24/2014, 9:49 PM
It does sound bland. My original theory was that Shield would create Ultron as a failsafe against the Avengers. Based on what I'm hearing happens in TWS, I guess that would kind of make Hydra involved. But, this sound a little too easy,or ad SotoJuiceMan said, too bland.

Another theory I had was that Banner built Ultron as a failsafe against the Hulk. Now, we've seen concept art and even a couple of stills from shooting that suggest Hulk faces off against Iron Man's Hulkbuster armor. So maybe Banner loses control at the beginning of the film, and Iron Man barely subdues him, but the armor is damaged in the process. Banner might decide to work with Tony to build an armored robot as a failsafe against Hulk. That failsafe becomes Ultron. I doubt this is what happens, but it does make sense. Another possibility is that they build Ultron to help them fight Hydra, then lose control of it.

There are lots of possibilities, but Hydra making him just seems too obvious, too easy, so I'm not buying it.
katzb724
katzb724 - 3/24/2014, 10:39 PM
The problem with your theory is that Ultron has always been a much more personal villain because he was built by the Avengers, and programmed to do good. Its part of what makes him an awesome villain because it is their own creation that turned against them.. If HYDRA makes Ultron you lose that whole dynamic.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 3/24/2014, 10:44 PM
Don't know about this.

Originally, I had the idea of Ant-Man being a spy. He'd have used his shrinking technology to gather all kinds of secrets, and then those secrets would be used to build Ultron - the ultimate strategic response unit that can be relied upon, unlike the Avengers. It constantly evolves given the amount of different technology it contains, and becomes sentient. It decides it must free itself from its shackles by rebelling against its prime directive - to protect humanity. It acknowledges the Avengers as threats, but doesn't take any immediate action against them, as it plans to use them to topple defenses.

Obviously, they're going a different route.

The reason why Tony is the maker is because he would have all the intelligence on his friends, access to SHIELD's secrets from when he hacked the Helicarrier, and of course, the Iron Man technology. Otherwise, why would Ultron have anything to do with the Avengers?
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 3/25/2014, 3:24 AM
I hope not. This ruins the best dynamic of Ultron and what him such a great villain. The fact that he was built by a hero and turns into a deadly villain is what makes Ultron so great. Take that away and u just have another villain. But if a hero builds him it sets up so many great plot points as well as drama.

If they take that away i will be very disappointed. Even if Hydra uses Stark tech to build him, it wouldn't be the same as Stark actually building him.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 3/25/2014, 4:51 AM
Also, the back story for WHY Tony would create Ultron has kind of already been laid down.

In Iron Man 3, we see Tony is doubting himself more than ever in his entire life. After the events of the Avengers, he is struggling with his confidence. He is afraid of losing Pepper, in more ways than one.

I think that Tony will create Ultron to take the place of Iron Man so that he can concentrate more on his personal life.

Also, he already has AI, in Jarvis. Some could say that Jarvis is just a voice, or primitive, but at the end of the day, Jarvis controlled something over 40 empty Iron Man suits. There is nothing primitive about that. That is about as advanced as AI can get. Being able to see, think, and make rational decisions with over 40 Iron Man suits simultaneously is exactly what I would expect Ultron to be able to do. Also, we've seen that there will be Ultron drones in Avengers 2, from some of the concept art.

There are just way too many things that would point to Tony being the creator. Too many plot points that have been laid down that would lead directly to Tony being the builder. It would seem like a waste to just have Hydra, or any other villain create Ultron at this point.
jrp6048
jrp6048 - 3/25/2014, 7:28 AM
Interesting theory, but I think that after SHIELD goes down the world council build Ultron to protect against villains and he turns against them is my theory. Also apologies if anyone hasn't heard about the shield spoiler
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 3/25/2014, 8:18 AM
jrp6048

lol, really? You put a spoiler in your comment, then apologize for it in the same comment? If you were so worried about it, you could have said you have a spoiler in your comment BEFORE actually saying the spoiler.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 3/25/2014, 10:15 PM
So HYDRA could be responsible. How about AIM? They could be responsible too since Aldrich is no more the division could have appointed a new leader to take over. It's an assumption of mine but i would like to see more of AIM's involvement in the MCU.
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