AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY Writer On Why He's "Bummed" About ENDGAME's Time-Travel; Teases Multiverse

AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY Writer On Why He's "Bummed" About ENDGAME's Time-Travel; Teases Multiverse

Avengers: The Kang Dynasty writer Jeff Loveness has admitted that he was disappointed Avengers: Endgame beat him to the punch on time-travel, but teases a mind-bending exploration of the Multiverse...

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By JoshWilding - Jan 27, 2023 06:01 AM EST
Source: SFX (via The Direct)

Avengers: Endgame took us on an exciting trip through the MCU's timeline, revisiting key movies in the franchise's history, including The Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy. Now, with time-travelling bad guy Kang the Conqueror set to take centre stage, many fans are wondering what exactly he'll be getting up to in the coming years. 

During a recent interview with SFX (via The Direct), Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania and Avengers: The Kang Dynasty writer Jeff Loveness explained that, while he was "bummed" to be beaten to the punch on time travel, the Multiverse awaits.

"I haven’t seen a time-travelling character done with such intricacy and exploration. I’m a little bummed because 'Endgame' did so much time travel, so you almost need to broaden him out a little bit too, maybe broaden out into the multiverse a little more, the dimensionality of the character, the limitless freedom he has while also being completely uprooted from his time and himself."

"Is it just going to all fall apart again because another version of him can destroy it as well?" Loveness continues. "What’s the purpose of building Rome if you are going to burn it down the next day, because they want to have their own Rome?"

Reading between the lines, these comments may go some way in confirming reports that the next two Avengers movies will take us on a journey through the Multiverse. That means, instead of returning to the events of past adventures, we can expect to visit worlds inhabited by some very different Variants and perhaps even a few familiar faces. 

Talking about his research when it came to bringing Kang the Conqueror to the MCU, Loveness namedropped a couple of Variants who stood out to him along the way. 

"I got way into the Rama-Tut and Scarlet Centurion stuff, trying to read my way through that, and the Celestial Madonna with Mantis! That’s the joy of the character," the writer teases. "He is just this infinite snake eating infinite tails, a man literally at war against himself."

We're clearly going to meet a lot of Kang Variants in the next few years, with Avengers: The Kang Dynasty likely where the villain embarks on an all-out war with Earth's Mightiest Heroes...and himself. 

Avengers: The Kang Dynasty arrives in theaters on May 2, 2025.

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GreedoSarducci
GreedoSarducci - 1/27/2023, 6:49 AM
Another botched headline. Josh gonna Josh.
elgaz
elgaz - 1/27/2023, 6:53 AM
@GreedoSarducci - Hey, look on the bright side, at least it's not another top 10 list.
GreedoSarducci
GreedoSarducci - 1/27/2023, 6:57 AM
@elgaz - Six Josh Botches That Worked... And Four That Didn't
supermanrex
supermanrex - 1/27/2023, 9:14 AM
@GreedoSarducci - i dont think its botched. seems pretty intentional to leave the who out of the headline and post a chris evans picture causing immediate clicks.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 1/27/2023, 6:49 AM
Infinity War felt so different and new, and then we get the generic time machine shtick for Endgame. I still liked it but that felt lazy and phoned in somewhat
LilJimmy
LilJimmy - 1/27/2023, 6:59 AM
@bobevanz - Agreed. Instead of destroying them, Thanos could have sent them back out into the universe. Indiana Jones like adventure to find them.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/27/2023, 7:04 AM
@bobevanz @LilJimmy - I kinda liked it that it was going back through those past events to find the stones again.

Only thing that was missing from the start was something on the Avengers' tails. In IW that had to get the Stones before Thanos, but in EG there were no stakes or urgency until the third act.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 1/27/2023, 7:14 AM
@bobevanz - People praise Endgame for the last 40 minutes, which to be fair, is the ultimate example on how you do fanservice.
However, the rest of the movie...
Vigor
Vigor - 1/27/2023, 7:26 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - I loved Endgame more for the first half. Because the action is always awesome but the character moments when they're not fighting is what set mcu apart from dceu, or avengers apart from justice league. And we got PLENTY of that in endgame in imaginative ways

I mean depressed Thor consoled by big brother smart hulk and heckled by wise cracking rocket? Who could have predicted that dynamic. And I loved it
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 1/27/2023, 7:36 AM
@bobevanz - It wasn't just a generic time machine shtick. Their explanation of how time travel works made The Avengers look like selfish pricks, almost bordering on villainy. It wasn't thought out very well.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 1/27/2023, 8:17 AM
@Vigor - Depressed Thor was a good idea until they turned him into a literal walking fat joke.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 1/27/2023, 8:42 AM
@bobevanz - Agreed. When Thanos said he destroyed the reduced the Infinity Stones to atoms then that to me automatically connected the sub atomic universe to the quest for the stones.

Having to go into the quantum realm to actually FIND the sub atomic stones would have been much better a concept.

Then having 2014 Thanos be the threat nullified the actual threat of the original antagonist.
All summed up with Wanda talking to Thanos on the battlefield.



There is nothing more threatening than an antagonist who doesn't know who the protagonist is even though the protagonist knows the antagonist. Pointless.

Endgame was a fan service, lazily written, check the box mess.
SuperBatCap1
SuperBatCap1 - 1/27/2023, 9:20 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - I loved the whole film.

All of It. It’s great.
Origame
Origame - 1/27/2023, 6:51 AM
I never knew a movie can have strong feelings on something.
WeaponXCII
WeaponXCII - 1/27/2023, 6:55 AM
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/27/2023, 7:02 AM
Think having Endgame set up time travel and it's rules actually works in favor of Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. Means those don't have to go through the mechanics of it all again. And they better stick to Engame's rules, as those are the most accurate ones.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 1/27/2023, 7:08 AM
@bkmeijer1 - Agreed. As soon as they introduced time travel in Endgame, you knew Kang was coming next.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/27/2023, 7:19 AM
@PlusUltra - yeah definitely. Did indeed expect Kang (because messing with time can only mean one thing), but I didn't expect him to be the Saga's big bad.
Vigor
Vigor - 1/27/2023, 7:27 AM
@PlusUltra - yep!
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 1/27/2023, 7:43 AM
@bkmeijer1 - For me it felt like their time travel rules, along with Thanos destroying the Infinity Stones instantly wrote them into a corner.

It really made the Avengers look extremely selfish and dick-ish. Because every timeline they went back to when collecting new stones would have changed that timeline and therefore created a new branching timeline. Only the new branching timeline would be missing an Infinity Stone. And The Ancient One explained to Banner that without the Infinity Stones, timelines would be vulnerable from attacks from things. The Infinity Stones protect timelines.

So basically, as soon as the Avengers appear in the past and start doing things, like Cap fighting himself in the Battle of New York, or Thor talking to his mom and taking Mjolnir, new timelines would have been created that would have been doomed from the get go. So you've got all these new timelines created and The Avengers are like, "ah well, screw those realities. Ours is more important even though we lost to Thanos fair and square."
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/27/2023, 8:05 AM
@CorndogBurglar - but they didn't screw those timelines, as Cap returned all the stones. That's the only thing the Ancient One was worried about.

As What If and Loki show, timelines following different paths than the MCU-616 isn't a problem. Only for the TVA really, who pruned a timeline as soon as it would lead to an evil Kang.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 1/27/2023, 8:15 AM
@bkmeijer1 - But that's the part that doesn't make sense though. They said you can't change the future of a timeline, you can only create a new branching timeline.

So as soon as they removed the stones, a new branching timeline gets created that's missing stones. By their own rules they shouldn't be able to change that future. But putting the stones back at the same time they took them did change the future of those timelines.

See what I mean?
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/27/2023, 8:42 AM
@CorndogBurglar - I'm gonna cut them some slack there because of the QR.

Stark figured out some way to plot routes through the Quantum Realm, so I guess you somehow figure out how to end up in those same timelines again.

In reality though, you are right. Once you drop in there, you create a new one, and as soon as you leave it you can't return. Quantum Realm is a convenient work-around really.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 1/27/2023, 7:13 AM
Kang should've been the villain of Endgame, after they mess up the timeline...
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/27/2023, 7:20 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - I kinda disagree. Kang atleast needs some set-up.

Much rather just would've seen Thanos still alive after the opening, and it's him chasing the Avengers after he catches wind of their plan to undo his (which leads him to the everything must be dusted idea)
Vigor
Vigor - 1/27/2023, 7:47 AM
@bkmeijer1 - that brings up something
Endgame thanos from the past plan was to dust everything right? And rebuild?

The first snap fried his arm and the second snap almost killed him. I imagine dusting everything and rebuilding everything would decimate thanos. Or maybe he doesn't care to die for his cause
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/27/2023, 8:07 AM
@Vigor - I don't think he would mind dying.

Think Thanos 2.0's plan of decimating everything included himself, he didn't seem to mind either.
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 1/27/2023, 8:17 AM
@bkmeijer1 - Agreed.
You could argue that it was quite possible that Thanos himself was at risk to be dusted in the original snap and he didn't seem to mind. It fits with his fatalistic/ nilhistic worldview.

Same goes for when 2014 Thanos watches the hologram of his "future self" being decapitated; he doesn't seemed bothered at all and instead say "That is destiny fulfilled".

While the MCU Thanos doesn't seem to be "in love with" or worship Death like he does in the comics, he certainly doesn't fear it at all and embraces it, especially if it fits with his overall goal of restoring balance.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 1/27/2023, 8:19 AM
@bkmeijer1 - I think this sums-up the problem with 2014 Thanos being the antagonist:



Plus, how bad the writting for the character was, he went from being one of the best cbm villains ever, to this...joke, a saturday morning cartoon.
Vigor
Vigor - 1/27/2023, 8:24 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - that made him so much more dangerous in my opinion

The previous thanos didn't kill if he didn't have to. We sympathized with him
This thanos used a bladed weapon. And was about to shove an Axe into thors body while the previous one just left Thor to die on an exploding ship.

It was nice getting two sides to this guy. The stakes were higher this time. He was about to dust the entire universe. And it's not like he had no back story. This is the same thanos. He is just younger, more ruthless, and had different goals. This is the thanos that just lost to Earthlings who fought back chitauri in New York.
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 1/27/2023, 11:00 AM
@Vigor - It made him generic.
"I'm going to destroy the universe, and kill all of you, because I'm bad"
Vigor
Vigor - 1/27/2023, 11:02 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - but you already knew his reasons
They spent an entire movie going over it
TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 1/27/2023, 11:07 AM
@Vigor - He wanted to save the universe, and he had to kill half of it to save the rest, because the stones couldnt create new resources.
But in Endgame, he wants to kill EVERYONE and create a new universe with the stones...which doesnt make sense, he himself said the stones couldnt do that.
noahthegrand
noahthegrand - 1/27/2023, 7:14 AM
“He is just this infinite snake eating infinite tails, a man literally at war against himself."

Okay that’s pretty awesome
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 1/27/2023, 7:16 AM
The Kang Dynasty is a he?
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 1/27/2023, 8:11 AM
@WakandanQueen - Yes. That is the Kang Dynasty's preferred pronoun.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 1/27/2023, 7:20 AM
"AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY On Why He's "Bummed" About ENDGAME's Time-Travel; Teases Multiverse Exploration"

Well, movie, sir, I didn't realize you had a feelings about a previous movie or a sex.
Vigor
Vigor - 1/27/2023, 7:23 AM
Thus is a really great interview. One because him feeling challenged by endgame already touching on time travel means he has to dig a little deeper. But also because this is showing us that the title will be relevant this time around unlike age of ultron. He's being written to rule over multiple universes. The end of the fox verse and fantastic 4 verses and spiderman verses is a variant of Kang conquering them. He's as inevitable as thanos was.

My hope was also to see Rama Tut. Because then that opens us up to a host of other marvel characters not seen yet in the mcu (cough mutants)

Good wondrous times ahead
We became spoiled by what the infinity saga pulled off. I think this next phase will peak our serotonin levels to a point that nothing can top this
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/27/2023, 7:32 AM
@Vigor - the previous Marvel movies being universes that are conquered by Kang(s) actually sounds pretty cool.

That way, Beyonder showing up in Secret Wars makes kinda sense too. He just throws all kingdoms made my variants of himself on one world (Battleworld), and that's why we have all heroes together in Secret Wars.
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