Marvel Cinematic Universe Character Changes and Missed Chances

Marvel Cinematic Universe Character Changes and Missed Chances

Changes have been made, opportunities give us a character teaser have been missed. Is this good? Or is this bad?

Editorial Opinion
By GinjaNinja - Aug 01, 2013 01:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers

In the Marvel Cinematic Universe we have seen lots of character changes. Some are neccesarry, some are good, some are bad. These are the character changes that I found to be the largest.

1. Iron Patriot.

The Iron Patriot in the comics is Norman Osborn. You know the green goblin? Well pretty much he gets an Iron Man suit and paints it then makes the Dark Avengers. Its a small comic line and isn't the most known of characters. Now the changes in Iron Man 3 to the character was that they just painted War Machine. This was a useless change because War Machine would have been just as cool in Iron Man 3, however its not a big deal. Even if they owned Norman Osborn, Disney was never going to make a comic movie about this story. So it was just a small Nod to the character that doesn't really hurt anything.

2. Justin Hammer

In the comics Justin Hammer is old. Probably around his 60s, and he is scary. Much more evil seeming then in Iron Man 2. Also he is a lot smarter than he is in Iron Man 2. He does some crazy crap in the comics, much along the lines of his drones. In the movie he didn't even make those though. Now age isn't really all that big of an issue to me. He did become scary at parts, the scene where he freaks out on whiplash saying they had a contract was a pretty good scene. However I think most of us wish he would have been a tad smarter throughout the movie. Who knows we may see him later and he will have grown up a tad. But if that's all we see of Hammer its not the best, but its not really all that bad.

3. FirePower (Spoilers)

For those of you who don't know, Firepower was in Iron Man 3 as the guy that blew up and injured Happy. In the comics he plays a guy who is in a huge suit (Kind of like the Iron Monger). It holds amazing weapons including missiles and a small tactical Nuke. That's some fire power. Now the change just turned him into the guy who pilots the suit, and he just blows up. The nod to him is his dog tags. So pretty much all this did was tell use that we won't be seeing a Tactical Nuke launched off of a suit. If the totally redid the story, we could have had a potentially sweet scene with him against stark, but its no big deal. Fire Power isn't well known and its nice the put a name on the random guy blowing up.

4. ColdBlood (Spoilers)

Cold Blood is a lot like Firepower in the way that they pretty much named someone. In the comics ColdBlood is an assassin, agent, and cyborg for SHIELD. The guy is only in like 2 comic lines if I'm not mistaken, (Like firepower) but he's a good guy. He is simply an assassin who doesn't do much. In IM3 He plays Killian's right hand man. He steals the Iron Patriot suit, kills a couple people, and eventually dies. Again its like Firepower, with a totally different story he could have played a cool assassin. He was again just a character that they decided to give a name in the movie. No big deal.

5. JARVIS

In the movies JARVIS is Tony Stark's AI. It can control his suits, build them, and just about everything he wants it to. In the comics Edwin Jarvis is Tony's Butler. He serves a lot like Alfred does to Batman. There is the problem. You can't have Edwin Jarvis because lots of people would have just said it was Alfred but not as good (Lets be honest nobody could top Michael Cain that I know of). Sure you could have tweaked him but I like just having the AI. However they could have made more of a nod to Edwin. My favorite idea would just to say he names JARVIS after his old butler. It would make sense, it would take a 5 second clip, and there you have it. We know Edwin has died and has an AI named after him. But alas we just have the AI which is still pretty good.

6. Hulk Origins

The original Hulk origins are kinda crazy, first he's gray and then... well... In the comics Banner saves a teenagers life. The teen drives into a Gamma bomb testing zone and banner saves him. when the bomb goes off banner gets turned into the hulk and is a gray hulk. They kinda cure him later in the comics, it comes back, its weird. In the movie that take the road that the old TV show took. He does it to himself, however in the movie it was because he was trying to find the super soldier serum. Here's why I think it was a good change. It makes more sense to have them looking for the serum because it would be a much more realistic (if there is such a thing) way to find the hulk. If a gamma bomb goes off, you would die. Instead this is triggering his cells in order to try and make him stronger but it just had the side affects. Also it gives the military more motives to chase him because they want the super soldier serum. The Hulk hasn't been known for his origins as well as Batman or Spider man, so I think it was a good thing to sacrifice to make the movie universe fit more.

7. Bucky

In the comics, Bucky is a teenager in the war. His father has died, and he is a mascot for the camp he is at. He finds Captain America Changing into his suit and asks to be his partner. He gets trained, the army allows him to fight as a teenager to rally the young people and off they go to fight Nazis. He also "Dies" at the hands of Baron Zemo, not a Hydra agent. If they redid the script they could have had Bucky in his original origins story. But it would have been very hard to make it feel at all realistic. Also to have him die by Baron Zemo would have required a lot of changes to the movie. Mostly because Zemo deserves to be a main villain in a movie. So although it would have been cool to see the teenager killing people, it wouldn't be very realistic, and it wouldn't fit into a movie well.

8. HYDRA and the Red Skull

In the comics, Baron Strucker makes HYDRA. Also the Red Skull isn't the leader of HYDRA and is mainly a Nazi in the war (until later on). You saw the movie, you know that he leads HYDRA and ect. Now having the Red Skull the leader of HYDRA makes sense here's why. Red Skull would be boring if he wasn't in charge (in a movie). Also we needed HYDRA to get known so we can seem them later in the movie universe. Also there are hundreds of Nazi movies so we didn't need to seem them again. Now there could have been ways to have Strucker in the movie still. They could have easily had Strucker. One way would be when all the Nazi leaders show up and RS kills them, they could have just had one of them be the leader of HYDRA. Have RS be just the weapons maker or something, then have him kill Strucker and just say that he's in charge now. Sure it wouldn't do Strucker 100% justice, but it would be better than never having him in the movies. Oh well. Now in the comics the Red Skull is just wearing a mask, in the movie he uses the serum and it changes his head. This I don't like. They didn't have to change that part. They could have had him use the Cosmic cube to fight Captain America like in the comics. Instead they gave him a red fave and super powers. Sure it was easier to do, sure it worked. But I wish they hadn't made him over powered and had strucker.

9. Nick Fury and the Howling Commando's.

In the comics, Nick Fury is a super soldier like Captain America. Not as good of one but he is one. He also is a Member of the Howling Commando's. Now this was a huge missed chance in my opinion. The Howling commando's should have had a scene to tell people who they were. The characters where well known in the comics, why not let us know who they are without looking it up? When they where in the bar they could have just given their names, then we know who union Joe was, and also they could have had Nick in there. He didn't have to be anything special, maybe just introduce him by saying "I have some enhanced abilities" and then just go about the movie with him in their team. Doesn't have to be a big part but they could have had him. Its not like it really hurts anything not to have it, but it would have been cool to see the full nick fury. There are a lot of other teams like the invaders and such that they could have had during WWII but these wouldn't have been very possible to do. There are other super heroes that deserve their own movie before being thrown into a random movie just for the sake of having a team.

Lastly, I think you all know this one. (Spoilers)

10. The Mandarin

We all know who the Mandarin in. Chinese guy with 10 rings right? But in Iron Man 3, he is a white scientist named Adrian Killian. Only thing Chinese about him are some tats. His powers also come from the Extremes, not rings. This is a drastic change. They named the Mandarin differently, changes his race, and his power. He wasn't even the Mandarin. It was sad that we didn't get to see him in all his power. We all know this, but in a little bit of defense. They found the Mandarin to be racist, I disagree but if they didn't feel comfortable then that's their opinion. Now they still could have done the story (would have needed a totally different storyline of course but they could have) the first half of that movie was amazing. Tony was getting pushed (Hence giving his address to a terrorist), and wasn't being smart. He was getting emotional and couldn't really stop. Then the twist came and it kinda fell apart. It was still a good movie, but it wasn't nearly as good as the first half. Now they did ruin the Mandarin we loved, but lets be honest here. There are thousands of villains, the Mandarin isn't the most famous. Sure he's a good one but looking to the future. They ruin a villain its not to big of a deal. The MCU probably wasn't going to have need of him especially without another solo film. I disagree with it as much as you, but I am trying to give a different perspective as to why it wasn't to big deal. If they start making a habit of this character smashing, we may have an issue.

Sure there are some more minor tweaks, but these are probably the biggest character changes in the films besides appearances. Compared to other movies, they have stuck to the source materiel pretty well, its more of just missed chances to add something else in to give us something like Jarvis or Nick fury. Maybe your someone who just loves the changes and that's fine, I personally like staying closer to the comics.

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AC1
AC1 - 8/1/2013, 1:49 PM
I think it made sense when they made War Machine into Iron Patriot in the movie. It worked in that context. The US was under threat, so the government decided to take their most powerful weapon, War Machine, and use him as propaganda to increase moral the same way they used Captain America in WWII. I'm not sure whether I'd like him to become War Machine again, or just stay as Iron Patriot.

JARVIS actually was named after Tony's old butler, it's mentioned in the comic prequel to Iron Man 2

http://marvel.wikia.com/Edwin_Jarvis_(Earth-199999)

I'm glad Nick Fury wasn't in The Howling Commandos in the films. In the MCU, Fury is a regular human, and has no superpowers, and I also prefer to believe that he's the ONLY Nick Fury, and not just the 'current' Nick Fury.

I love what they did with the Mandarin in Iron Man 3. I keep defending it, and I do understand why some people may be annoyed by the change, but I think it worked really well, especially because Mandarin is a shit character in the comics.

Nice article though, looks like you really did your homework.
GreenieGobbie
GreenieGobbie - 8/1/2013, 1:50 PM
I'm surprised you didn't mentioned Whiplash in the list. He was a mix between Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo, because of him being the son of Anton Vanko (the original Dynamo), and pretty much becoming the Crimson Dynamo for the last 10 seconds in the final battle. Jon Favreau even state it in an interview at one time.
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/1/2013, 1:51 PM
Sorry guys I forgot to place this in Editorials instead of news. Would I still be able to Change that?
BlackPhillip
BlackPhillip - 8/1/2013, 1:54 PM
You forgot to add Heimdall. There were no such thing as Black Nords.
Reviewscrub72
Reviewscrub72 - 8/1/2013, 1:55 PM
WTF dude the movies are movies they dont have to be 100% accurate to source material because they have to be different so it can actually surprise you!
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 8/1/2013, 1:57 PM
Yeah, I don't see it as character alteration. I see it as a new universe with its own characters and stories.
thebatspider
thebatspider - 8/1/2013, 1:58 PM
Why would I bother becuase of that changes? Did really people expect to see the same story as in the comics? I dont think so, becuase just image how boring would have been if they have followed the same storylines from the comics.
sansClaymore
sansClaymore - 8/1/2013, 1:58 PM
tony should have found killian at the mansion proving him just a pawn and the mandarin could have fled to china w pepper. i mean why the friggen china deal BS if they didnt use the location for the climax battle? fight could have been fing fang foom/mandarin using extremis to unlock the rings/fin fang foom controls. 50 iron men [frick] up a giant ancient alien dragon and kill ben kingsly last. woulda worked. why they chose to not give mandarin a better shot at being a cool villian ill never know. this scenario is ideal for what coulda been
Knightrider
Knightrider - 8/1/2013, 2:02 PM
For me Mandarin was a twist I didn't see coming, but a twist they really did not need to do.

Yep, changes and modernisation were needed, but in a universe where Aliens have attacked, there are 9 realms (that we know of), gods with seemingly magical powers, and WW2 having laser weapons why was it so hard to come up for a reason for the rings to exsist?

Heck, you could've had one for each realm and 1 that represents the whole.

As for not wanting to be stereotypical, well do research! Look at ancient Chinese myths and legends. Look at those who still practise and believe ancient rituals.

Has anyone complained that the ninjas in The Wolverine were Asian? I would argue that's stereotypical. So, just felt Mandarin was lazy...that seem to say can't think of a way to do him, so we wont.
sansClaymore
sansClaymore - 8/1/2013, 2:03 PM
we just came off of avengers, we shoulda got something epic. instead we got trevor slattery and aldrich killian in tribal henna, when they heavily promoted the villain as the mandarin. and teases of 50 ironmen suits ganging up on the bad guy. i honestly thought that this pointed to fifty ironmen vs mandarin controlling the foom, as did many others. every single plot element could have stuck and still used this ending.
Knightrider
Knightrider - 8/1/2013, 2:04 PM
Although I agree changes have to be made from the comics as some things work and others don't in movies.

Plus with some characters having 50+ years of comic history, it is rather difficult to stick to the source material when that same material has adapted and changed so much itself
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 8/1/2013, 2:07 PM
Why is this shit still in news!
Knightrider
Knightrider - 8/1/2013, 2:08 PM
@Sans Sorry, hope didn't think I was having a pop at you, I was just stating my opinion on the whole source vs movie debate.

Wasn't anything aimed directly at yourself.
sansClaymore
sansClaymore - 8/1/2013, 2:08 PM
it wasnt what we wanted but it was still a crazy ass ironman movie = MARVEL WIN
sansClaymore
sansClaymore - 8/1/2013, 2:09 PM
lol did not think so just quoting u i agreed with your sentiment :)no worries
sansClaymore
sansClaymore - 8/1/2013, 2:12 PM
"a twist they really did not need to do"
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/1/2013, 2:22 PM
Didn't put Whiplash because there is another version named ivan vanko.

Didn't the Race changes are minor in my opinion.

Personally like to have the characters but doing different stories. Thats how i like it, but i want the true characters.
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/1/2013, 2:27 PM
I didn't know they had a comic telling us it was based after Jarvis. Thats interesting Knight. Also I wish it would have been the SAME nick fury, just younger. Have him superhuman and then have him just older in teh avengers
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 8/1/2013, 2:27 PM
I smell a flame war abrewing... http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/NovaCorpsfan/news/?a=84634
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/1/2013, 2:48 PM
@nova no, I think people are calming down.
BrowniesExplode
BrowniesExplode - 8/1/2013, 2:54 PM
Only thing i hate was why change war machine to be americas hero if your gonna have him do nothing
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/1/2013, 2:55 PM
True MCU
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/1/2013, 2:55 PM
They underused him in this one big time
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/1/2013, 3:12 PM
@black It was very good twist, just not needed. I was confused and actually for the first time completely suprised in a movie. But mad.
SnapperCarr
SnapperCarr - 8/1/2013, 6:05 PM
The Mandarin should have been the Osama Bin Laden analogue they promised us.
MrDonut
MrDonut - 8/1/2013, 7:31 PM
I don't mind a lot of the changes they've made to the source material in the MCU, but everthing post-Iron Man 2, makes it seem like Marvel have slightly dropped the ball in my eyes... Prior to those films, tonally the MCU was a little grittier and darker; still maintained a light and fantastical yet realistic tone but literally after Iron Man's second outing every film and corner of the MCU seems a little too light and kid-friendly... I was hoping Iron Man 3 would be a return to form for both that franchise n the MCU but hell, that only made things worse... Long story short, like u I see a lot of missed opportunities with the MCU, but the top 3 that really piss me off include;

1. Phil Coulson
I liked how Coulson was introduced in the MCU, but from Thor to The Avengers it just seemed like they were making him more important than he was, plus his Captain America fetish just made him seem like lameass Whedon stock-character... Rather than introduce a random no name, made for the movies character I would've preferred an actual comic book SHIELD agent to work in the Coulson role, but oh well...

2. Darcy (from Thor)
Again, another no name, made for the movies character that somehow manages to make a fake ID for Thor that tricks SHIELD to help bust him out... I understand sometimes you gotta allow some creative liberties, but the character was just annoying and a dumb inclusion; again I'd have preferred a character from the comics to work in her place- Amadeus Cho would've worked perfectly in her place and made more sense especially cos he's a genius n all...

3. The Mandarin Twist
I personally didn't like the film n the whole Mandarin fiasco just pissed me off more n I'm not even the biggest Iron Man fan, but tbh I would've been more acceptable to the notion if they'd replaced the Mandarin with a more known villain than Aldrich Killian, who literally served no real purpose in the comics other than killing himself as soon as he was introduced in Iron Man: Extremis... Literally, a very stupid move on Marvel's part... Speaking of Killian though, again rather than him as the brains behind AIM, I'd rather have been introduced to George Tarleton- at least that way we could've gotten a set up for MODOC in the MCU, but unfortunately not... I'm just hoping Marvel fix up with their upcoming movies, but remain a little bit skeptical...

Forgetting my rant, good stuff! I do agree with a lot of the points u made, especially about Hammer n Jarvis... Still, hope u can check out my Captain America fan cast;
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Room20/news/?a=83172
Starkasm
Starkasm - 8/1/2013, 10:43 PM
▲ phil coulson was kept on due to his popularity in IM1.
Darcy didnt forge an id for Thor. Foster's ex bf don blake looked exactly like him (geddit?)
Leebo4
Leebo4 - 8/3/2013, 7:38 AM
Personally I disagreed with. Most of your choices but one I can definitely argue with is the red skull
The red skull did take the serum and he wasn't a guy in the mask, the original red skull was but not the one everyone knows about
Ace101
Ace101 - 8/3/2013, 8:05 PM
you guys realize that most of those were characters in the iron man franchise. oh you also forgot iron man on that list lol. i knew once tony said "i am iron man" at the end of iron man that many things would be changed in the franchise, so i just accepted that fact.
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/6/2013, 10:06 AM
Leebo4, are you saying they arn't changes or what?
@Ace yeah I realize that. Iron man and the cap movie. Which in the cap movie they where going back to WWII when they didn't have people like wolverine and the invaders so it was hard to fit everything together.

@della. Yeah their where a few more changes that I didn't get into. The thing was most of those characters ended up panning out to about the same way they usually are. Like war machine's origins wern't the same but he's the same war machine afterwards. Whiplash is also the name of the most recent whiplash. The avengers roster was almost on the list. But the reason I didn't is because its a team that has changed so many times. I personally figured it doesn't matter how it starts. The reason I did the Hulk origins instead of others was because he is the most relevant character that had a change.

As I said before, I more just want to see each character the way they are in the comics. (The mandarin for example, or bucky) But after they are established as the way they are in the comics, they can make their story however they want to. I just wish we would have seen the real mandarin, they they can do whatever they want. The real bucky, the real nick fury, the real coldblood. then twist anything in the STORY. Lastly I would hardly way their movies are made for kids, they have more cussing than most comic book movies. They just arn't dark. And I wouldn't say their movies are going down hill. The avengers was one of if not the best comic book movie yet. Iron man 3 was a good movie just ruined the comic versions of the characters.
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