Comics and the Media for the Masses

Comics and the Media for the Masses

Why are geeks so critical of comic movies and films? This could shed some light on it.

Editorial Opinion
By HellBoyzBetter - Oct 16, 2014 11:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Comics


Comic Books have given us deep intricate stories. From The Killing Joke to the Phoenix Saga, we have been given works of true talent.  Sure, people think because there are pictures the stories couldn’t possibly be as rich as To Kill a Mockingbird or Huckleberry Finn.  I refuse this though. There are many great lessons that comics have taught me over the years.  Freedom, true freedom is worth the greatest sacrifice.  Standing for ideals is necessary for the progress of humanity.  Discrimination in any form is wrong.  Isn’t the reason for any good story is to teach us truths of life?  Comics present modern day parables with imagination and flare so that a reader who needs more than four basic variables can still find the story stimulating while sating that hunger for advanced comprehension.  With all of that said, it has become apparent from the bastardization of comics from media that these stories and characters which so many have come to cherish over the years have been put through a meat grinder to turn them into the same regurgitated garbage that Hollywood loves to feed the masses with to promote the goals of shallow capitalism. 

There is a formula that started with Buffy the Vampire Slayer.  The show was a huge success and that was because we hadn’t seen anything like it up until its release. Since then, everything we have seen have been like it.  Smallville, Supernatural, Vampire Diaries, Arrow, The Flash, Ironman, Captain America and Thor are just a few examples.  How do they fit into the Buffy mold?  The exact same way every Adam Sandler movie, aside from Punch Drunk Love, does.  The protagonist is quirky and can’t really succeed without “a little help” from their friends.  Secondly, there has to be a love interest .  Now for most of the story the protagonist goes through the struggles because they haven’t turned to their friends who make the solution simple in the end.  In fact, in most cases if they would have just taken their friend or lover with them into the trial then the story would have been successful from the beginning.  


This mechanism actually perpetuates a social norm in believing that an individual can’t change anything by acting alone and must rally support to make a difference.  It also supports the idea that the individual is valueless unless they have this large group of friends and a lover, and that is the singular way to achieve anything (being liked).  It is much like the initial statement but there are some key differences.  This wouldn’t be terrible if it media wasn’t saturated with this concept.  Individuality and creativity are the essential building blocks to true innovation. These stories completely deny such a narrative of doing the unpopular even if it’s correct because the individual believes it is correct.   


So why?  Why are the stories which complex minds enjoy compressed into this horrible format?  Why is everything so stale?  The reason is to manifest a desire; a desire for friends and sex (AKA: to be liked.)  This originally, was of little importance to the geek world.  They were an untapped market.  In addition, comics were losing readers as they got older. The variables had to also become relatable to a wider range of people who couldn’t grasp the original depths of these stories.  I had always asked myself why the most interesting shows were cancelled.  It dawned on me that what I enjoyed about those shows the most was the complexity of the science involved, even if it was fiction.  It challenged me to think in deeper terms and that for most people isn’t as attractive.  Geeks and Nerds have a desire to be challenged and if learning anything new is involved we are much more inclined to enjoy it.  We want to look outside the box of the conventional.

So people are unclear as to why we complain so much about the media surrounding our favorite titles.  This is why.  We know the intensity and depth of the stories involved and we pray to Thor and Diana each time that the studios will be able to sate our appetite.  It’s also extremely insulting when the characters are so far removed from the source material that they aren’t even recognizable.  While most people have their indulgences, geeks and nerds are very particular about them.  We have waited for what has seemed like an eternity for a cinematic translation of our literary loves and nothing pisses us off more when they are not treated with the same respect as any other literature. 


To address what I said in the beginning about the Buffy formula. This is how it applies to some of the titles I mentioned. Let me take the time to say those where just a FEW examples and others apply too.   Take Arrow for example, Ollie has this support team that has no basis in the comic counterpart and it’s overly inundated with sexuality.  Ollie would be completely lost without his team and anytime he does anything without his team he gets himself into trouble.  The exact same thing is true with The Flash.  Now look at Captain America. He has the support of the Howling Commandos and Agent Carter, or he has the help of Nick Fury, Black Widow and Falcon.  There is no solo play for Cap.  The one thing about it though Cap has strayed away from being overly sexual.  Even Thor, the loner of the Avengers, NEEDS Jane and her crappy group of bumbling scientists. 


Another aspect of all this that I just briefly touch upon is the campy, tongue in cheek humor.  It’s awful and often distracting from the story but it is ALWAYS a part of it.  I don’t remember an iteration of Tony Stark, in the comics, that was such a goofy idiot as he is portrayed by Robert Downey Jr.  With all this said, it is really my own observations and has been on my mind for some time.  There seems to be a disconnect here between people who want to be entertained and those who want to be stimulated.  I was offering this up so that perhaps I could generate some understanding of us who are overly critical of the movies and shows that portray our favorite characters.  Hope this is gives some insight. Thanks for reading.
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Pasto
Pasto - 10/16/2014, 11:39 AM
Funny, I don't remember taking acid today...
EhMaybeSays
EhMaybeSays - 10/16/2014, 11:55 AM
"There is a formula that started with
Buffy the Vampire Slayer."
No, this so called formula has existed since the beginning of fiction.
HellBoyzBetter
HellBoyzBetter - 10/16/2014, 12:08 PM
Really? Fiction from the beginning of time has be shitty teen drama? I doubt that.
HellBoyzBetter
HellBoyzBetter - 10/16/2014, 12:19 PM
I remember Hercules taking his goofy buddies to fight the Nemean Lion. Oh and then then there was Lenny in Of Mice and Men, that guy always had a dirty ho around. Remember the gadget girl that ran with Tom and Huck?
EhMaybeSays
EhMaybeSays - 10/16/2014, 12:43 PM
What I don't remember are whinging fanboys but I still know that you're not the first.
HellBoyzBetter
HellBoyzBetter - 10/16/2014, 12:50 PM
Thank you for trying to invalidate what I was saying. However, it would take someone with a much higher intellect to do so. Thanks for trying though. I'm sure you made Matthew McConaughey proud.
McGee
McGee - 10/16/2014, 12:50 PM
I live in southern California, just outside of Hollywood and everyone....EVERYONE I meet thinks they can do a better job than the people that actually work there. Most of them are actively trying to get in the Entertainment industry and complain that they can't get in.

They don't realize that...

Right off the bat, nepotism will prevent most people outside the Entertainment Industry from entering. And that even if you do break through...

If you're an actor, it's more about how young and good looking you are than if you can actually act (you can always get the hang of it after a while, because it's really not that hard--everyone can act to some extent) Casting directors swoon over people with English accents and often hire them on the spot, so if you're an American...you should not get your hopes up.

If you're a writer, it doesn't matter how creative or gifted you are as a writer. Unless you're writing a screenplay for an independent film (which rarely make it to the screen unless you're rich and already in the industry), your script will be hacked to death by other writers to fit the commercial objective the studio wants. Most of the time, if you're a screenwriter....you're mostly working on other people's stuff because someone high up who isn't a writer, isn't happy with the script that was turned in (and it has nothing to do with how well written the characters are or how tight the story is--they want someone less concerned with how 'good' the script is). Most major film studios don't think very highly of the average movie goer's intelligence...so your script doesn't need to be so smart. In fact, they usually get irritated when you try to do that. That scene where you establish a motivation for your main character? Let's replace that with a car chase.

What's that? You think you've written the greatest script of all time? It's a film adaptation of a commercial owned fictional character? For an already established franchise that's proven lucrative? That's great! Now let's make some changes...because you don't have creative control. We're trying to run a business here. We can get someone in here to replace "help" you.

HellBoyzBetter
HellBoyzBetter - 10/16/2014, 12:52 PM
Remaining sated with the most generic is a trait of cattle. Just keep eating grass.
HellBoyzBetter
HellBoyzBetter - 10/16/2014, 12:59 PM
@McGee, I know you 100% correct. It's frustrating to me, as a lover of comics, to see such rich material degraded to the point of mediocrity.
McGee
McGee - 10/16/2014, 1:39 PM
^^^^

McGee
McGee - 10/16/2014, 1:43 PM
Green Lantern is a perfect example of studio interference...which happened because of Warner Brothers' insecurity about how profitable Green Lantern was (ironic, isn't it?).

From what I understand, the early drafts of the film were awesome. The end result had overt product placement from Hot Wheels and awkward humor shoe horned in to replicate a Marvel Studios feel.
QuestiontheAnswer
QuestiontheAnswer - 10/16/2014, 3:08 PM
@Dethpillow
That's some deep stuff man.
McGee
McGee - 10/16/2014, 3:47 PM
xstartripper
xstartripper - 10/16/2014, 4:25 PM
Meh, I don't mind when film/show makers change shit up, especially if it's really good (like Arrow). I do get vaguely upset when a detail I'm particularly fond of is altered or flat-out removed, but if the change is still good, then I might mourn a bit, but I won't necessarily bitch about it (I believe Thea is going to become Cheshire, and Jade is one of my favorite comic characters, but I do appreciate what they're doing with Thea).

My thoughts on this are in line with @dethpillow's. I think fan outrage generally says more about the fan than the film/show. Not to say that Batman & Robin isn't a disgusting piece of garbage, of course. But the loudest dissenters tend to be ridiculously possessive over these characters, and there's nothing wrong with that (I sympathize; my Batman has yet to appear on TV or film), but just bear in mind that YOUR Flash is not the only take on the Flash, y'know?

And oftentimes, the details over which people fret are the most pointless details. I'm not just talking about all the people who bitched about Batman being three inches taller than Superman in BVS (but boy does that exemplify fretting over tiny details). I'm gonna get flack for this, but I think bitching about how Batman would fight the villains in the show Gotham is absolutely stupid. We're never gonna see Batman fight these villains, so what is the point of whining about it? Complain about JPS's over-acting or Gordon visiting Wayne Manor every five seconds, sure, but why complain over the potential execution of something we will never see?

Just some of my thoughts on the matter. Although usually no comment on this site that exceeds four sentences gets read.
HellBoyzBetter
HellBoyzBetter - 10/16/2014, 8:30 PM
@Dethpillow, I am glad you commented in such and in depth manner. I understand where you are coming from. I identify as a geek and a nerd. I personally know why I am agitated. I see these undeniable tropes and I think they lack creativity. It's like how the Gears of War game engine is applied to a ton of other games. While gears of war was great there was little creativity in Bioshock and Rainbow Six because there is NO innovation. The archetypes remain the same. Even the trope of police impotence is still copied. Arrow and the Flash are so close to all the tropes found in Buffy. My real complaint is the whole cheap nature of it when there are great stories that could be told. Instead, they just show some boobs and ass make some jokes and hire b-list teenish actors. It's as I said a real bastardization of the source material. Some of us are so blown away because the live action counter parts do not even resemble the source material in anyway, yet it is still given the title of the material it is shitting all over.
HellBoyzBetter
HellBoyzBetter - 10/17/2014, 7:04 AM
@DurtyTalynt. I'm not talking about deviation as much as I am making canned movies using blatant trendy tropes. Granted X-men has some HUGE flaws. But at least they aren't using campy humor a b-level storylines. Since first class, I can at least accept them as a different universe, which any X-men reader should be able to do. Seriously, look at X-men archs such as House of M, Age of Apocalypse, and many others. That's how I do it. I can respect X-men for not falling into that. They actually use the powers of the characters in relation to others. It makes the movies more dynamic that point and punch or shoot. Last Stand and the Wolverines were SHIT. I've never been a big Wolverine fan though.
Cles
Cles - 10/17/2014, 3:19 PM
@deathpillow kudos, man. That is the most articulate rant that I've read in a while. Well thought out, and while I may not agree with its entirety, I have to hand you a fair amount of respect.
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