James Gunn May Have Crushed Our CLAYFACE And WORLD's FINEST Hopes With Latest DCU Batman Update

James Gunn May Have Crushed Our CLAYFACE And WORLD's FINEST Hopes With Latest DCU Batman Update

DC Studios co-CEO James Gunn has reiterated that we'll meet the DCU's Batman for the first time in The Brave and the Bold, likely shutting down speculation about a debut in Clayface or World's Finest.

By JoshWilding - Jun 22, 2025 09:06 AM EST
Filed Under: The Brave and the Bold

It's been more than two years since DC Studios announced its "Chapter 1: Gods and Monsters" DCU slate. Many of those projects have since stalled, and we're currently no closer to learning who will play Batman in The Brave and the Bold

The Dark Knight had a blink-and-you'd-miss-it cameo in Creature Commandos, but work on his team-up with Robin isn't progressing as quickly as many fans would like. DC Studios co-CEO James Gunn has admitted to having a hard time figuring out the character, something likely not helped by Matt Reeves' (admittedly long-delayed) plans for The Batman Part II.

After all, how can he confidently get The Brave and the Bold into production when he has to compete with Reeves' plans? Comparisons are already inevitable, but those will come under even greater scrutiny if you have these movies coming out within a year or two of each other. 

Simply put, it's a mess. However, a mixture of online rumours and fan speculation has left most convinced that we'll meet the DCU's Batman in Clayface next October before Gunn helms a World's Finest movie featuring the Caped Crusader and David Corenswet's Superman.

That would give Andy Muschietti a little more time to figure things out, but Gunn's latest Threads update appears to confirm that it's still the plan for us to meet the DCU's Batman for the first time in The Brave and the Bold

It's a little disappointing, but we're bound to see Batman back on the big screen...eventually.

Interestingly, the filmmaker appeared to walk back on the idea that Batman has been operating in Gotham City for 15 years with another recent post, leading to renewed speculation that Robert Pattinson will retroactively become the DCU's Dark Knight. At this point, it's clear that DC Studios slate is fluid and not as planned out as first thought.

"Batman’s my biggest issue in all of DC right now, personally," the Superman director admitted in a recent interview. "And it’s not — I’m not writing Batman, but I am working with the writer of Batman and trying to get it right, because he’s incredibly important to DC, as is Wonder Woman."

"So outside of the stuff that I’m doing in the projects that are actively going, our two priorities are finishing our Wonder Woman and our Batman scripts," Gunn confirmed, saying that the movie is still titled The Brave and the Bold "right now."

"Batman has to have a reason for existing, right? So Batman can’t just be 'Oh, we’re making a Batman movie because Batman’s the biggest character in all of Warner Bros.,' which he is," he continued. "But because there’s a need for him in the DCU and a need that he’s not exactly the same as Matt’s Batman."

 You can hear more from the filmmaker on that by clicking here.

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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 6/22/2025, 9:47 AM
hopefully guunnn's Batman will has a "personality"
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Lisa89
Lisa89 - 6/22/2025, 9:55 AM
Completely inappropriate use of the word “OUR” in the headline there, “Cronkite”. 🙄
Rpendo
Rpendo - 6/22/2025, 10:30 AM
@Lisa89 - You simply must get a life.
Lisa89
Lisa89 - 6/22/2025, 10:36 AM
@Rpendo - Right after we get you laid. Yours is a more desperate situation.
Rpendo
Rpendo - 6/22/2025, 11:03 AM
You keep clicking on the blog posts of a writer you constantly and consistently criticize. Once again, you seem to think this is the Wall Street Journal, not a blog site that discusses comic book movies.

Get a grip, dude.

If you don’t like the guy’s writing, stop reading and commenting on his work. It’s weird. If you don’t enjoy what he writes, why subject yourself to it? Unless, of course, the whole point of you doing so is to give yourself an excuse to further pointlessly criticize… to mock and put down someone else’s work so you can feel superior and better about yourself.
Lisa89
Lisa89 - 6/22/2025, 11:12 AM
@Rpendo - Sorry you weren't around when this site had higher standards, lady. Your loss.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 6/22/2025, 11:28 AM
@Rpendo - he's a middle aged man named Lisa, who is terminally online solely to whine about James Gunn. This is his life.
OptimusInTime
OptimusInTime - 6/22/2025, 12:09 PM
@Lisa89 - booyah!
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 6/22/2025, 12:25 PM
@Rpendo - User Comment Image

I highly enjoy reading witty pessimistic banter on this site. Surely it'd be easier to block Lisa than to go back and forth with negative opinions about negative opionions. 🤨

And to @Lisa89 -

Whoever/whatever you are:

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TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 6/22/2025, 10:08 AM
I think everything will be cleared up during next month's comic con once Superman's in theaters. The problem with Batman is that any announcement regarding him, even the smallest one, will take away from Superman's momentum. I think the most likely scenario is that the DCU Batman will be limited to team up movies (World's Finest, Justice League, etc...) until Reeves wraps up his trilogy. It wouldn't make sense to have two separate Batman franchises competing against each other. Limiting him to team up movies will also build massive hype for his solo movie, resulting in it being a massive box office hit once it eventually happens like Black Panther was after being introduced in Civil War.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/22/2025, 10:45 AM
@TheJok3r - Or they'll flop like The Flash because they're not the real Batman.
PetuniaMajors
PetuniaMajors - 6/22/2025, 12:04 PM
@TheJok3r - he just said Brave and Bold is his first appearance so I take him at his word here
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 6/22/2025, 1:04 PM
@PetuniaMajors - He says a lot of things, I'd wait and see over blindly believing everything he says.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 6/22/2025, 10:10 AM

Whatta goat furk.

Plus they haven’t fired that idiot Muschietti yet. What a huge mistake.
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 6/22/2025, 10:12 AM
@DocSpock - You can't fire someone who was never hired.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 6/22/2025, 10:39 AM
@TheJok3r -

He has already been contracted.

TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 6/22/2025, 10:54 AM
@DocSpock - I don't think anything was signed, as that "announcement" was made to help boost the Flash's numbers. Now that the movie flopped both critically and financially, there's no reason to work with him. He kind of hinted at not being involved with the project last year when he said he hadn't spoken to Gunn about it in awhile. Gunn also said a couple weeks ago that he has a "secret" writer working on it (who I asusme is Gunn himself), and he didn't mention Muschietti at all.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 6/22/2025, 6:39 PM
@TheJok3r -

Well, I hope you are right.

TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 6/22/2025, 10:18 AM
Hmm, it sounds like when we read that Gunn would rather have a "reason" for Batman to appear than just make a solo flick it's pertaining to him piggybacking from an event set within the DCU. Like, clearly he already exist but for some reason we aren't introduced to him yet because from the DCU's storytelling he isn't needed yet. Interesting...I'm glad they're taking their time with this though.
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 6/22/2025, 11:31 AM
@TheRationalNerd - that makes sense to me. He already exists and is fully operational inside of Gotham City but doesn’t have a reason big enough to interact with the outside surrounding superhero community.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 6/22/2025, 10:21 AM
Shortsightedness of Gunn haters.

Lets use Peacemaker as an example

Gunn haters: Peacemaker is an idiot with a lot of juvenile homor

Those who get it: Peacemaker dealt with his trauma of killing Flagg the death if his brother and his asshole Father's treatment on him. With jokes sprinkled in between


bobevanz
bobevanz - 6/22/2025, 10:27 AM
@vectorsigma - 80% of this site has zero comprehension skills. You're exactly right
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 6/22/2025, 11:29 AM
@bobevanz - i really cant wrap around my head why Gunn haters cant see how a great fit he is for CBMs.

The best decision WB has made DC related.
Killuminatic
Killuminatic - 6/22/2025, 11:40 AM
@vectorsigma - Most people are idiots so I can’t blame you
28ClungesLater
28ClungesLater - 6/22/2025, 12:28 PM
@vectorsigma -
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vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 6/22/2025, 12:33 PM
@JurassicClunge - exactly my point 😭
28ClungesLater
28ClungesLater - 6/22/2025, 12:50 PM
@vectorsigma - hey just because you can ignore juvenile writing doesn't mean others can 😮‍💨
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 6/22/2025, 4:44 PM
@vectorsigma - Problem is that characterization bares no resemblance to the comics which is the reason why many are so enthusiastic about the new cinematic DCU, only for Gunn to make Peacemaker and everyone in his roster into a bunch of GotG-inspired dysfunctional found family. You either honor the source material or you might just create your own OC using canon ones as a design model.

What is then the excuse to completely change Vigilante's entire character by turning him into a wisecracking jester that never shuts up and doesn't even let his BFF a moment to mourn and process the complicated grief he was experiencing when he killed his father? How do you explain that?

Or whatever the hell he did with Judomaster.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 6/23/2025, 12:30 AM
@JurassicClunge - man, ill complain if it is JUST juvenile writing. He balances it perfectly with heart. No other director can do it. Taika is close though
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 6/23/2025, 12:38 AM
@NinnesMBC - "shuts up and doesn't even let his BFF a moment to mourn and process the complicated grief he was experiencing when he killed his father"

It is just being true to Vigilante's psychopathic character. He processed the event differently. And Peacemaker realized he hates his father but had that moment to think about it before pulling the trigger.

I think you are looking at the characterization in the lens of someone who knows the comics in which these characters are based. I am not faniliar of the original characterization. But as a boundary general audience, the writing is good overall, no matter how different it is in the source material. It works in the story he wanted to tell.
JFerguson
JFerguson - 6/22/2025, 10:26 AM
They should do Riddler and Penguin as the villains of BATB just to really [frick] with The Batman fans
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/22/2025, 10:48 AM
@JFerguson - [frick]ing with the fans is such an excellent strategy.
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 6/22/2025, 10:55 AM
@JFerguson -

Yeah f’ing with the fans worked really well for Joker 2
JFerguson
JFerguson - 6/22/2025, 11:00 AM
@ObserverIO @HulkisHoly -

It would match Warner Bros Discovery’s already-terrible playbook. They love [frick]ing DC fans. WB Studios…

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KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 6/22/2025, 5:02 PM
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vegetaray
vegetaray - 6/22/2025, 10:38 AM
I saw someone post yesterday, everything is pending how Superman performs, and that’s essentially what’s going on. If they don’t land Superman then none of this stuff continues and they restart things…Yet again…
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 6/22/2025, 10:53 AM
@vegetaray - I hope they don't fire Gunn though. How is DC ever gonna learn from it's mistakes if it keeps changing leadership and then those leaders proceed to make the same mistakes and are also fired before they can learn from them. and implement what they've learned.

Gunn is making a lot of the same mistakes as the DCEU but he thinks it won't matter because he's a better filmmaker. He's gonna learn that quality isn't enough if the audience is alienated.
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