FANTASTIC FOUR Director Matt Shakman On How The Team Differs From THE AVENGERS Or X-MEN

FANTASTIC FOUR Director Matt Shakman On How The Team Differs From THE AVENGERS Or X-MEN

With the SAG-AFTRA strike now in the rearview mirror, attention will now turn to the introduction of one of the MCU's next big superhero teams, the Fantastic Four.

By MarkJulian - Nov 11, 2023 05:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four
Source: ScreenRant

MCU fans got a quick glimpse of what the Fantastic Four will bring in Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness thanks to the inclusion of Reed Richards on the Illuminati council.  It was a brief but memorable appearance by John Krasinski, who had been fancast in the role for years.

The upcoming Fantastic Four movie from director Matt Shakman is expected to go in a completely different direction for Reed and the rest of the Richards-Storm family.

Everything should be considered a rumor at this point but Adam Driver and Jake Gyllenhaal are the two names that most often surface in regards to who Shakman will cast as Reed.

Vanessa Kirby is said to have all but secured the role of Sue Storm. Less certain, are rumors of who will portray the Human Torch and The Thing. 

Stranger Things actor  Joseph Quinn is said to be in the mix for Johnny Storm while Daveed Diggs is a potential Ben Grimm. Again, keep all of these castings in the rumor section for now but expect updates to come fast and quick now that the actor's strike is over.

Recently, director Matt Shakman has been promoting his upcoming Monsterverse sci-fi series for Apple TV+, Monarch: Legacy of Monsters, of which, he is a director and executive producer.

Of course, those conversations about the upcoming Godzilla show were peppered with questions about the Fantastic Four.

In a recent interview with ScreenRant, Shakman explained how his film will differ from The Avengers and X-Men.

"I love The Fantastic Four just like I love Godzilla. It's funny, we have these characters that you discover when you're a kid, and they just stick with you. Godzilla was one of them, and The Fantastic Four is another. I think I love the space race, Kennedy-era optimism of that world. The idea that we can solve all of our problems, that we can, through the right heart, the right mind, and the right technology, conquer any problem. It's different. It's different in so many ways because they are a true family," said Shakman.

He went on to add, "Not a family you find along the way like the X-Men or the Avengers, but true family with all the messiness of a family like on Monarch. With all the love, the hurt, and the complexity of that. And also, they approach things with a sort of an optimistic and scientific approach that is very different from these other Marvel characters that I absolutely love, but how they solve problems is unique and I'm excited about it as well. I hope folks like it when we put it out."

Shakman will direct the Fantastic Four film from a script co-written by Jeff Kaplan and Ian Springer. Per Kevin Feige, the film will not focus on the team's origin story.

Barring any delays, Fantastic Four is currently set to be released in theaters on May 2, 2025.

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ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 11/11/2023, 5:31 PM
Just hope they do Ben justice.
URCOMMENTSUCKS
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 11/11/2023, 5:36 PM
@ModHaterSLADE - They'll make him gay and lame. Oh, and he won't be Jewish, since that's not cool these days.
KaptainKhaos
KaptainKhaos - 11/11/2023, 5:52 PM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - nobody has issues with the good Jews, it's the bad Jews that aren't being kosher
CaptainMexico
CaptainMexico - 11/11/2023, 5:59 PM
@KaptainKhaos - that could be said about any race of religion.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/11/2023, 6:23 PM
@ModHaterSLADE - agreed. Both The Thing and Hulk have such an interesting angle to them that they are monsters, and have to live with that.

The MCU never really got into that after TIH, so I hope it spends more time on Ben.
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 11/11/2023, 6:34 PM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - Anti-Zionism does not equate to Anti-Semitism.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 11/11/2023, 6:34 PM
@bkmeijer1 - Yeah, the Fox movies never really dived into his trauma being a monster since they were going for a happier angle.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/11/2023, 6:41 PM
@ModHaterSLADE - totally forgot about the Fox movies. Felt they did touch on it, but never really dove into it.

Marvel really needs to do the monster angle right. Also kinda because Werewold by Night didn't really go into it either.
braunermegda
braunermegda - 11/11/2023, 6:52 PM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - yet that wouldn't mean anything, and change absolutely anything on Thing's characteristics. Stop bring a whining pussy.
KaptainKhaos
KaptainKhaos - 11/11/2023, 7:08 PM
@CaptainMexico - exactly, there's so many amazing Muslims and Christians out there who unfortunately get overshadowed by their louder, more hateful bad counterparts
mountainman
mountainman - 11/11/2023, 7:09 PM
@braunermegda - Except for the fact that Ben Grimm has never been gay so it would be a needless change that benefits nothing.

Adapt characters as they are. If you want gay characters, adapt those or write new ones.
URCOMMENTSUCKS
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 11/11/2023, 7:11 PM
@braunermegda -

>yet that wouldn't mean anything, and change absolutely anything on Thing's characteristics.

Yes, it would, dipshit. Ben Grim is a lovable jock with a great sense of humor who is in love with a blind woman. And he's proudly Jewish. You take that, then you just have a CGI creature made of rocks.

>Stop bring a whining pussy.

You're the one whining about me reciting a line from South Park, dipshit.
URCOMMENTSUCKS
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 11/11/2023, 7:12 PM
@comicfan100 - Sometimes they're one and the same to people.
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 11/11/2023, 7:30 PM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - But it's literally not. Lobbing "antisemite" to anyone critical of what Israel is doing is cheap and disingenuous. Even Orthodox Jews will tell you that's not cool.
BlackSpider
BlackSpider - 11/11/2023, 8:45 PM
@mountainman - Meh, I dont care if he's gay, as long as he dates blind guy. Not being jewish would be sad, though it doesent come up much in comics
braunermegda
braunermegda - 11/11/2023, 8:49 PM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - oh yeah, because if he's gay then he can't have a sense of humor, right, you stupid fat [frick]? Also would change absolutely NOTHING if he was in love with a blind man, for example. You virgins just need a goddammit excuse to dump your [frick]ing bigotry on anything, it's incredible. And yes, South Park did invent every curse word there is, right? Apart from being a [frick]ing prick you just proved to be a dumb piece of shit as well.
braunermegda
braunermegda - 11/11/2023, 8:53 PM
@mountainman - it would benefit on having representative characters. He is not the thing because he is heterosexual. So it would change nothing on his personality, his lore, it would just be a way of someone who is discovering their sexual identity to say "hey, look, we have a representation on a big budget movie. We care". You and and I may not care for this because we have had roles we could identify our entire lives (assuming you're white and heterosexual too). But for someone who hasn't, this is huge. It makes them feel seen, and noticed and believe it, it may inspire a lot of people. So since his sexuality has nothing to do with his powers, it wouldn't change absolutely nothing if he was gay.
URCOMMENTSUCKS
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 11/11/2023, 9:22 PM
@braunermegda -

>oh yeah, because if he's gay then he can't have a sense of humor, right, you stupid fat [frick]?

Your entire argument lays on the idea that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, only then for you to defeat your own point when you make assumptions about my weight in a condescending way. Pal, you can't be both tolerant of the homosexuals and intolerant of the fat people (or virgins, as we learn later). That's not how tolerance works. But also, dipshit, I've been vegan for a good chunk of my life and my stomach is as flat as your shitty arguments. More so, you missed that part where I said ''lame'', which is why I bring up facets of Ben's personality that make him not lame. Him being possibly gay is a separate thing.

>Also would change absolutely NOTHING if he was in love with a blind man,

Yes, it would, dumbass. Unless you make that blind gay man into a total soyboy, it won't have the same contrast in personalities as when the tough-as-stone Ben Grim is drooling over this small innocent lady.

>You virgins just need a goddammit excuse to dump your [frick]ing bigotry on anything,

I was merely quoting a recent comedy bit from South Park that have been memed to death. However, you actually took it for granted (which, sure, you can do, since not everyone is supposed to be well-versed in the meme culture). However, you tried to put yourself on some high moral pedestal, only to fumble and fall flat on your ugly-ass face when you started calling me fat (which I'm not; I can post a photo of my torso if your highness would require a proof), and a virgin (which I'm also not; I don't have a proof for that, so take it or leave it).

So yeah, you defeated your entire point. You can't insult someone because they're homophobic (which I'm also not), but then use insults about people's appearances and troubled personal lives.

Go find a dictionary and read what the word tolerance actually means.

>it's incredible.

Yes, your absolute lack of self-awareness and vitriol over a quote from a cartoon is indeed incredible.

>And yes, South Park did invent every curse word there is, right?

I don't know, maybe. I've not watched South Park since I was finishing high school. But that one quote was indeed funny.

>Apart from being a [frick]ing prick you just proved to be a dumb piece of shit as well.

Oh, the irony...
BlackSpider
BlackSpider - 11/11/2023, 9:44 PM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - "Pal, you can't be both tolerant of the homosexuals and intolerant of the fat people "

What is blud waffling about?
Comicmoviejunki
Comicmoviejunki - 11/11/2023, 9:54 PM
@Tigerman33 - why does everyone love homosexuality so much?
BlackSpider
BlackSpider - 11/11/2023, 9:56 PM
@Comicmoviejunki - What a strange thing to ask me.
ANewPope
ANewPope - 11/11/2023, 10:06 PM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS -
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 11/11/2023, 10:45 PM
@comicfan100 - Ham, Shem, Japheth. Anti-Sematism= Anti"shem"atism = 🐂💩.

The world will be a much better place once that equation fully makes sense to the masses.
URCOMMENTSUCKS
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 11/11/2023, 10:49 PM
@Tigerman33 - ''blud''? Pal, this ain't Twitter. [frick] off with your dumb buzz words no one but idiots on Twitter know the meaning of. But I'll rephrase this: if you want to criticize someone for being intolerant of one group of people, don't use insults that insults other marginalized groups of people.
mountainman
mountainman - 11/11/2023, 11:09 PM
@braunermegda - Make nonsense switches like that, and the box office will suffer. I don’t make the rules. Asking for characters to be changed up for “representation” is so lame and reductive.
CaptainFlapjaks
CaptainFlapjaks - 11/11/2023, 11:37 PM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - well if they get daveed diggs then he will be jewish since daveed is jewish. And he does seem to be the frontrunner for the role currently too.
BlackSpider
BlackSpider - 11/11/2023, 11:53 PM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - Ok blud.
braunermegda
braunermegda - 11/12/2023, 12:33 AM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - wow, imagine being so insecure and pathetic to the point where you feel so less amongst people you have the urge to yell "IM NOT FAT, I CAN SHOW YOU A PICTURE OKAY, MOM HE CALLED ME FAT TELL HIM I'M NOT". Seriously, you're just the perfect example of how small dick, insecure miserable pathetic little prick nerdies and Fandom are. You're just lame, a fat [frick] sad boy with so much complexes I'm actually pity of how insufferable your days are. And goes even further trying to stretch and relate me calling you a fat miserable sad boy to defend homosexuals, like lots of people are killed on the streets by being just fat, right? Your ass is envy of your mind on how much dipshit is in there. [frick] you.
braunermegda
braunermegda - 11/12/2023, 12:35 AM
@mountainman - is lame a d reductive for us, who have been represented for almost a century, when we grew up seeing someone like us on the telly. Now imagine a black kid, or a gay kid seeing that the heroes can only be white and straight. It's not so hard to walk on other's shoes to understand how important it is for someone like that see themselves represented.
Kurban
Kurban - 11/12/2023, 12:46 AM
@ModHaterSLADE - I’m more worried about Reed and Sue. There’s no way they can have a happy, if dysfunctional, married relationship.
URCOMMENTSUCKS
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 11/12/2023, 2:47 AM
@braunermegda - Imagine being so insecure and pathetic, you have to change diapers because how much you shit the bed when having a hissie over a quote from some cartoon that's been on air longer than it should've. But also being so half-witted, you tried to put yourself on a virtue signaling pedestal only to shit your bed again when you resorted to name-callings that are attacking other marginalized groups to which I don't even belong to. Nice job, dipshit.

And also, funny enough, my mom says the opposite; that I'm too skinny.

>Seriously, you're just the perfect example of how small dick

Mother[frick]er, you're literally an extinct form species of the Internet, because you use the most generic and old insults, that at this point should be considered fossils. ''You're fat, you're a virgin, you have a small dick and you live with your mom.'' What is this, [frick]ing 2006 and the peak of Internet culture are silly cat videos? Also, what the [frick] do you care what size my dick is? Also, isn't that counterproductive to your +LGBT stance? Since trans people who take female hormones say that their dicks shrink in size because of it. So you're attacking their appearance as well, dipshit.

>insecure miserable pathetic little prick nerdies and Fandom are.

Pot, meet Kettle.

>You're just lame, a fat [frick] sad boy with so much complexes I'm actually pity of how insufferable your days are.

Pal, you should work at a movie theater as a projector.

>And goes even further trying to stretch and relate me calling you a fat miserable sad boy to defend homosexual

You don't even know how to defend the marginalized groups of people, dipshit. Because you can't do it without simultaneously offending other marginalized groups, sometimes those who are part of the same community you claim to defend.

>like lots of people are killed on the streets by being just fat, right? Your ass is envy of your mind on how much dipshit is in there. [frick] you.

People of all kinds get killed on the streets.

[frick] you, too.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 11/12/2023, 4:44 AM
@Tigerman33 - “What is blud waffling about?“

I don’t know what he’s waffling about. But I can tell you what I’m doing
SDCA27
SDCA27 - 11/12/2023, 5:03 AM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - first of all I want to see Ben Grimm be classic Ben Grimm. That being said, his whole thing is being shunned by society and feeling alone. I’d imagine being a male gay jock made of space rocks could possibly be completely on character if he had to deal with people in FF threads talking about who he should be, how he should feel and why he should be referred to as a slang word for someone’s genitals.
mountainman
mountainman - 11/12/2023, 7:06 AM
@braunermegda - I couldn't care less what race, sex or sexuality a character is, as long as they are adapted accurately.

Some of my favorite X-Men as a kid where Storm and Bishop and they don’t look like me.

My favorite comic when I first got into them was Dani Moonstar of the New Mutants, and she looks nothing like me.

My favorite cartoons as a child were Thundercats and Ninja Turtles. There are no races to them, but my favorite Thundercat was Panthro who was obviously intended to represent as Black.

I used to live kung fu and martial arts movies and I’m not asian.

Many people enjoy and identify with characters who aren’t exactly like them. Conversely, there are gay characters out there to adapt rather than changing ones with decades of history.
calgarybean
calgarybean - 11/12/2023, 9:03 AM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - congratulations on finishing high school.

Your original retort was implying changes to characters would happen and spotlighted them in a negative light. Other than the change its self there was no support to your argument. If you are lonely there are other ways to engage.
OleBobbyTiger
OleBobbyTiger - 11/12/2023, 9:07 AM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS @mountainman - Hating on your own head canon casting.

Man the mental gymnastics you do to get yourselves in a tizzy before any kind of casting has even been announced.
OleBobbyTiger
OleBobbyTiger - 11/12/2023, 9:11 AM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - Agree 110%. Ben needs to be an athlete with a great sense of humor and love a blind woman or the character is lost.

Let's gender-swap them and make them gay. Problem solved.
ANewPope
ANewPope - 11/12/2023, 9:25 AM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - Insecure & pathetic would perfectly describe you.

Blud.
mountainman
mountainman - 11/12/2023, 10:11 AM
@RoberTiger - The person I’m responding to is suggesting to make Ben Grimm gay. I know facts are difficult for you, but try to keep up with the conversation.
OleBobbyTiger
OleBobbyTiger - 11/12/2023, 12:09 PM
@mountainman - And that upset you. A person's head canon, fictional casting upset you. lol it's not even real man. It's just a hater troll commenting and you are taking it seriously.
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