Defending Edward Norton's Bruce Banner

Defending Edward Norton's Bruce Banner

In my first editorial, I defend Edward Norton's portrayal of the tortured scientist.

Editorial Opinion
By Highflyer - May 26, 2013 07:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Hulk

In 2003, the world was pumped for the Hulk's first big screen appearance. Everything pointed to a great movie. The trailers promised tons of action, the movie had great actors involved and it had Ang Lee as director. But in the end, we got a ticked off shrek on steroids and shrek fighting a giant poodle. I remember the expression that most viewers had on their faces. It reminded me of when the other students in my class walks out of the examination hall knowing that they failed the paper. So when it was announced that a another hulk movie was in the works, I wept.

However, by some miracle, 'The Incredible Hulk' movie was incredible! (no pun intended) The movie received a positive response from a majority of fanboys and girls. This time, kids walked out of the theatre shouting stuff like 'HULK SMASH!' Unfortunately the movie didn't make a gigantic amount of money at the box office due to the fact that Ang Lee's movie which was made with a good heart but just wasn't the movie hulk fans wanted.

Years later, the role of Bruce Banner was given to Mark Ruffalo. Initially, fans were outraged by this decision and with good reason too. I personally believe Norton put on a great performance in the movie. Most fans declared to be THE only actor alive to portray Bruce Banner.

Mark Ruffalo defied the odds and also delivered a great performance as Bruce Banner. I was really happy for Mark Ruffalo for his success but I was a little annoyed by the way fans were suddenly saying things like, "Norton sucked anyway." or "Norton brought nothing to the role. Ruffalo IS Bruce Banner." It all seemed like fickle behaviour to me. In response, I have compiled a few points defending Norton's portrayal.

1)BRUCE BANNER HAD TO BE BROODING IN THE SOLO MOVIE.

One of the complaints against Norton's Banner is that he was too brooding. But think about it for a second. Do you think a zen-like Bruce would have suited his situation? Don't get me wrong, I think it was a natural progression for Bruce to be laid back in the Avengers but you have to remember that Bruce hadn't accepted the monster inside him yet and he was spending most of his time searching for a cure so he could be with the woman he loves. It would have felt rather odd for Bruce to take things like a joke. Bruce needed to take everything seriously. Bruce Banner is known for being paranoid and desperate and the way Norton panicked before turning into the Hulk in Brazil, meditating to control his emotions, wearing a heart monitor on his wrist and having a panic attack when his blood dropped into a bottle, I think he nailed it. I was impressed by the way Norton never overplayed Bruce's emotions but let the viewers know how he was feeling. Like when he was chatting to Samuel Sterns on the web. When Samuel says that the antidote will cure him, you can hear the knots forming in his stomach or when he sees Betty again after all those years only to find out she has moved on. It was obvious that his heart sunk.

2)MOST OF BRUCE'S CHARACTER DEVELOPING MOMENTS WERE TAKEN OUT OF THE FILM

To those who say that Norton brought nothing to the role... have you SEEN the deleted scenes? While I understand that Marvel didn't want the movie to drag, the deleted scenes really added layers to every character. Betty who was once just an annoying damsel in distress became a well established character. I really connected with her when she asks Bruce, 'Why didn't you wait for me?' And confessing that she looked for his face everywhere. The same goes for her boyfriend. There is a scene where he tells Bruce that he wishes he was dead. Not because he didn't like him but because he knew that as long as Bruce was alive that there was always going to be three people in the relationship. Bruce truly hates himself for hurting her during the birth of the Hulk. I completely understand why Norton had trouble with the Marvel studios. There are a few scenes that truly impressed me like Banner's attempted suicide (It was mentioned in the avengers) The scene by the university where Bruce blames himself for the creation of the Hulk which I found to be powerful (He actually talks like a scientist) and the scene where Betty, her boyfriend and Bruce have dinner and when they all laugh at a joke, Bruce starts crying. He says the reason is because he hasn't felt "light" in a while. I really felt it was a great because it shows that Bruce was tired of running. Marvel was dumb for taking those scenes out along with the others. It is rumored that they removed the suicide scene because it wasn't child friendly. REALLY? So showing soldiers killed on the battle field (iron man), Loki stabbing Phil Coulson (Avengers) and Hulk choking Abomination is ok but Bruce trying to commit suicide is too much? REALLY? Norton was more interested in exploring into Bruce's character and the people around him and present us with an actual Hulk movie instead of a Hulk episode. This situation was similar to the 'Daredevil director's cut'

3)BRUCE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LOOK LIKE A SCIENTIST IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES HE WAS IN.

While I agree that Ruffalo looked more like a scientist in the Avengers, do you honestly believe that with Banner running from the military and a soldier who was injected with the super soldier serum, he would have the chance to work in the state of the art lab with Tony Stark?

4)EDWARD NORTON'S HULK ACTUALLY DOES LOOK LIKE HIM

Many have complained that Norton's Hulk looked nothing like him but I have to disagree. While it wasn't as obvious a Ruffalo's Hulk, you can see Norton inside of the Hulk even though it was faint. If you look closely, you can even see Norton's little spot near the Hulk's mouth. The similarity between Norton and the Hulk is most seen at the university fight.

5)THE BRUCE AND BETTY LOVE STORY IS ONE OF THE BEST LOVE STORIES IN THE MARVEL CINIMATIC UNIVERSE

One of my main problems with Ang Lee's Hulk was that I never felt that Bruce and Betty were truly in love. I felt like they were just really good friends. In Norton's movie, I was sold. There is a short but touching and cute moment when Betty takes a picture of Bruce. What makes this scene so effective is the factthat Bruce is serious for most of the movie so when the picture is taken, you remember that Bruce was a normal guy before he became inflicted with the curse of the hulk and just wants his life back. So when Betty looks at the same picture once agin near the statue of liberty, you can actually believe that she misses him.

6)ITS THE EVOLUTION OF BRUCE BANNER

Most superheroes have their evolution of character in the middle of the film. Tony Stark changed in the cave and thor changed when he was sent to earth but Bruce Banner took a whole movie to evolve. The movie starts off with him searching for a cure but in the end Bruce becomes a hero when he uses the Hulk to fight the Abomination. In the last shot, you see Bruce bringing the Hulk out by will and when he does a grin appears on his face. This story HAD to be told so that you can see the transition of Bruce from fighting the monster inside him to accepting it and becoming a hero. It was the perfect way to show how Bruce Banner became who he was in the Avengers.

6)EDWARD NORTON'S HULK PROVIDED THE MOST FAN SERVICE

While I believe that the Avengers's Hulk kicked ass (My only problem was the ape-like movements), I feel that Norton's Hulk really embraced the green monster for who he is. With memorable moments like the Hulk using a police car as boxing gloves, using his thunder-clap to save betty, shouting his iconic catchphrase, 'HULK SMASH!' and hitting the ground hard enough to stun his opponent, I think his version of he hulk is underrated. It's also the only Hulk savage enough to rip out abomination's own bone to stab him with it while choking him with a chain. Some say that the movie has no resolution but I believe that was intentional. Bruce Banner will never be happy. He is the ultimate fugitive. As the Hulk takes one last look at Betty and runs away after defeating his enemy, you remember that.

Like I said before, I think Mark Ruffalo killed it as Bruce but I still maintain my opinion that Edward Norton's portrayal of Bruce Banner was also a joy to watch.

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NBAfanaddict
NBAfanaddict - 5/26/2013, 7:50 AM
While I loved Ruffalo's Banner the best, I agree whole-heartedly with you. I actually thought pre-Ruffalo, Norton played the best Banner (outside of Bixby). Good first article!
Extremis
Extremis - 5/26/2013, 7:54 AM
I would like to comment on point 3.hulk was able to work with tony in a lab because shield and us army are different and jadd differences in comics too.so basically he can run.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 5/26/2013, 7:55 AM
First off welcome to the editorials friend. Most people see me and know sometimes on the newer guys I can be a little tough but the fact you wrote about Hulk and not TASM or Quicksilver or Mandarin or any other bull got me on my good side.

I'm a very big Hulk fan. He's my favorite Marvel character. I think of Ed Norton like I think of Val Kilmer. Forget the Nolan Trilogy, if there was any of the 3 Batmen to pick for a Justice League and DCU film I would pick Val. While I love Keaton more, Val looked more like Bruce/Batman. Ed was the same way with Bruce and Hulk.

I thank Ed Norton for giving me a great film. Kevin Feige hired Zak Penn, the screenwriter from Electra, for The Incredible Hulk. After Norton saw it, he rewrote the screenplay. Then Feige hired Zak Penn again for Avengers and Whedon ended up rewriting that. See a pattern?

Back to the topic at hand, the hate Norton receives is an example of retarded fanboy bullshit this site has. After The Dark Knight Trilogy, everyone loved Nolan and hated Burton's films and Jack and Michael's performances. After TASM, everyone hates on Raimi and his trilogy. After Mark in Avengers, everyone hates on Ed Norton. And when Man of Steel comes out people will likely dislike the Reeve/Donner Superman films.

I [frick]ing hate this double standard, dumbass bullshit that goes on here.

Ed's Bruce was great and I enjoyed it a lot. I do prefer Mark's a bit but I still like Ed's.

Good article.
QuinlanVos
QuinlanVos - 5/26/2013, 8:57 AM
Agree with Levi everything you said was correct.
MrCBM56
MrCBM56 - 5/26/2013, 9:10 AM
I didn't realize there was anything to defend. I thought people loved his performance.
Happy11
Happy11 - 5/26/2013, 10:52 AM
Its funny that you've wrote this article as I was watching TIH on tv yesterday and as I was watching it I was thinking that Norton's portrayal of Bruce Banner has been the best since Bill Bixby. There are a few scenes that stand out for me but I will only mention a few.
When Bruce is having a shower then has a flashback to when he was the hulk getting shot at, he drops down in shower into the foetal position. Also if you've seen the deleted scenes why a lot of them were deleted I will never know. The opening scene when he's in the artic and tries to shoot himself but the hulk stops him. Also the scene when betty says to Bruce that when she and the hulk where keeping cover from the thunderstorm she says that she knew the hulk recognised her so Bruce must be in there. But Bruce says I don't want to control him I want rid of it. Those scenes were classics taken straight from the comic. Also Norton's weight was spot on. I liked Ruffalo's portrayal but hated Eric Bana's that was no where near who Bruce Banner is.
Forthas
Forthas - 5/26/2013, 1:10 PM
You made the case I have been trying to make for the last year. Norton's banner looks more frail and weaker adding to the contrast between him and the Hulk. I thought the Avengers Hulk dehumanized him, not only because of the ape like mannerisms, but also the unprovoked rage that he had. I prefer that the Hulk be portrayed as a monster that still harbors Banners inclination for good. I did not see that in the Avengers Hulk. And finally Norton's Hulk was much more expressive, which is important since he does not talk a lot. Several times during the IH you could understand what was going through his mind...when he showed concern for Betty's safety during the encounter at the university...when Betty calmed him during the storm...when Betty stopped him from killing Abomination...in all those instances the changes in his mental state was very well portrayed which showed that banner was still inside him. In the Avengers Hulk there was a bit of it but not so much.
TheOneAboveAll
TheOneAboveAll - 5/26/2013, 1:45 PM
I thought Norton did a great job and was underrated in his role. The Incredible Hulk was my favorite of Phase 1.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 5/26/2013, 4:42 PM
Thanks to all. @Leviticus, I agree with you. Burton's batman films will always have a special place in my heart, especially batman returns.
CharlesLord
CharlesLord - 5/26/2013, 6:58 PM
Norton was indeed a great banner and TIH is one of my fav phase 1 movies. Ruffalo's Hulk makes my pants tighten
RaMan
RaMan - 5/26/2013, 10:11 PM
Norton was amazing as Banner, and loved him in TIH. Was disappointed when he was replaced by Ruffalo, but Ruffalo was awesome as both Banner & Hulk.

Ruffalo has completely helmed the role and is the first motion picture actor to ever play Banner now in two films (Avengers & Iron Man 3)

He brought out the character in both and is by far the best Banner/Hulk since the Bixby/Ferrigno era.

About a few months ago I sent an email to Kenneth Johnson, the former producer of the original 'Incredible Hulk' tv series regarding his thoughts on Ruffalo playing the role and even he agreed by saying in the email below:

"Thanks for your note. I agree with you that Mark Ruffalo came to closest to my original conception of Dr. Banner -"
RaMan
RaMan - 5/26/2013, 10:18 PM
My Favorite Marvel Studios films:

1. Avengers
2. The Incredible Hulk
3. Iron Man 3
4. Thor
5. Captain America: TFA
6. Iron Man

*Iron Man 3 was the worst Marvel Studios film ever!!!!
Highflyer
Highflyer - 5/27/2013, 4:01 AM
@Hulk2008, I liked the Bill Bixby show. But I agree that Ruffalo's performance and appearance was the closest to that show but I that show was loosly based on the comics. I honestly believe Norton's portrayal was the closest thing we've gotten to the 616 Bruce Banner.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 5/27/2013, 4:06 AM
@batmaniac, the first hulk story didn't revolve around Bruce finding a cure. There isn't one point in that film where Bruce is seen searching desperately for a cure. I think the main reason Buce wants to get rid of the hulk in the incredible hulk movie is due to the fact hulk hurt betty when he was first born. I agree with you on how people don't want a lot of Bruce Banner though.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/27/2013, 6:03 AM
Welcome to CBM!
It's your first editorial, and you didn't just write one or two paragraphs, so I will go easy on you.

So I'm the kind of guy who prefers this movie...


over THIS movie...


Which Bruce do I like better? Neither one is an actual entity, their just hosts to carry the movie while the Hulk lies dormant. Even still, the two are different due to the setting/characterization.

Bana's Banner is going through a literal loss of identity as his past and his father's come back to terrorize his life. He's an isolated scientist who has trouble understanding emotional pain and needs because he himself is more or less incapable of feeling them due to his father's experiments. Whatever his plans, they are smashed when the Hulk awakens.

Norton's Banner is much more even tempered, but he's also more of a Mary Sue than someone who makes realistic, selfish mistakes with actual consequences that affect others. The biggest mistake he actually makes in the movie is bleeding. He wants to cure himself of the Hulk, so what's the problem? His conflict is chalked up to Ross' stupidity, not his own, and that is shown in abundance.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 5/27/2013, 6:18 AM
@Tainted87, thanks, After watching Ang Lee's Hulk again two months ago after so many years, I liked it much more than I did the first time. My problem is Ang Lee's hulk. I actually believe that both Eric Bana and Edward Norton were entities but I couldn't really connect with Eric's Bruce. But Eric's, Edward's and Ruffalo's Banner were all had different timelines. Eric's Banner was becoming the hulk, Edward Norton's was trying to get rid of the hulk and accepting it in the end and Mark ruffalo's is a continuation of that. I have to disagree with you about the mistakes and consequences. He is living with the guilt of killing people and hurting the woman he loves.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 5/27/2013, 6:23 AM
The conflict is that he feels responsible for the hulk's actions.
RaMan
RaMan - 5/27/2013, 8:27 AM
@h
ighflyer
Both Norton and Ruffalo are awesome. Each one has his own unique talent

Back a few years ago after the results of TIH there was a news article about concerns of the future of The Hulk in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and all that changed in 2010 when Norton was replaced.

Ruffalo blends better with the other actors ( RDJr, Evans, Hemsworth, SLJ), which is one of the reasons why Feige wanted him over Norton..

RDJr & Ruffalo have an awesome chemistry together as Banner/Stark
Highflyer
Highflyer - 5/27/2013, 9:00 AM
@Hulk2008, I honeslty like to view The Incredible Hulk movie as a stand alone film. It was the only real solo film (apart from iron man) to be released prior to the avengers. Thor, iron man 2, and captain america felt like prequels. While I still feel it would have been interesting to see Edward Norton in the Avengers, I am glad they went with Ruffalo mainly because he seems more aged, making it believable that Bruce had changed over the years. I still think kevin feige went about the whole Norton situation the wrong way.
RaMan
RaMan - 5/27/2013, 10:43 AM
@highflyer

I agree with you 100%, Marvel did the same when they replaced Terrance Howard with Don Cheadle as Rhodey/War Machine.

Loved Howard, but Cheadle is War Machine.

loved Norton as Banner but Ruffalo is both Hulk & Banner and now Ruffalo's life has changed for the better.

Highflyer
Highflyer - 5/27/2013, 11:37 AM
@Hulk2008, yeah I'm happy that the cbm community has embraced Mark Ruffalo. Its only the fickle behaviour of some "fans" that annoyed me. Its nice to know that as fans of the hulk, we have the legendary portrayals of Bill Bixby, Edward Norton and Mark Ruffalo.
AC1
AC1 - 5/27/2013, 11:51 AM
Nice article, not sure I agree though. I've always felt that The Incredible Hulk was a little bit out of place in the MCU, and while I do like the tone of the movie, I watched it again last week and thought Norton (pretty much the whole cast actually) phoned it in. Everyone seemed so unenthusiastic and uninspired in their roles that it was just like watching people trying to remember lines, rather than immersing themselves in the characters. I think the best acting in the movie is probably the scene where Betty and Bruce get that cab in NY. So I prefer Mark Ruffalo a lot in the role, because he seems to actually be taking it seriously and putting in effort.

@LEVITIKUZ maybe people have their own opinions on things. Maybe they feel that those properties have improved. I mean, I think Ruffalo is a far better Hulk than Norton was, for the reasons I gave above.

I think Nolan's first two Batman films are far better than the previous Batman films. I always thought Burton's first one was a bit odd, and while I think Keaton and Nicholson did the best they could with what they had to work with, the movie itself wasn't very good... some fantastic lines though. Really disliked Returns and Forever. Ironically, I loved Batman & Robin as a child, although it's unwatchable now. But Nolan's trilogy has improved pretty much every aspect - they're more serious, better written, better acted, better directed, and they're multi-layered rather than being really one-dimensional movies. I'm not actually sure whether I prefer TDKR to Burton's first Batman though, as I felt both were pretty underwhelming and never really made the comparison.

As for TASM vs the Raimi trilogy... 70% of this site seems to HATE TASM, so I don't understand where you got the idea that everyone loves them and turned their back on Raimi. I've always felt outnumbered as one of the few who prefers TASM - because I think, like Nolan's Batman films verses Burton's ones, TASM's better written, acted, directed, and has more layers than the Raimi ones. However, unlike the Batman movies, it's not like TASM's the only one I like - it's my favourite, but I still enjoy Raimi's movies if for nothing more than nostalgia, as they (the first one especially) were a huge part of my childhood, moreso than any other movies, except maybe Toy Story. In fact, whereas I hated Spider-Man 3 in the cinema, I've grown to accept it now, because I think it's just a silly, goofy but fun superhero movie much like the first two were.

Interestingly enough, I also think many comparisons can be made between the Batman series and the Spider-Man series, because if you look closely, you can see that Raimi was heavily influenced by Burton's Batman (he even had Danny Elfman score the first two) as well as Donner's Superman, while TASM is clearly influenced by Nolan's Batman.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 5/27/2013, 12:42 PM
Aciara, I thought the same way before. But after watching all the deleted scenes, I really do think Norton was great. The article isn't meant to discredit Mark Ruffalo's portrayal (which I thought was awesome, its to defend Edward Norton from the haters. I don't think Norton failed to put any effort. We have to remembe that the Bruce that Edward and Mark portrayed were the same character but was in two totally different places emotionally. We must remember while watching Mark in the avengers that the portrayal that Norton delivered was who Bruce was before. I don't like comparing them because that is like comparing arrogant thor to humble and heroic thor. Its the same character but changes as time goes on.
brazilianbatman
brazilianbatman - 5/27/2013, 2:47 PM
both Ruffalo and Norton were great as Banner. I actually miss the tone and style of Incredible Hulk, it had action, drama and very little humor, probably the darkest marvel movie to date.
Brainiac13
Brainiac13 - 5/27/2013, 2:48 PM
Nice editorial!

I love Norton's Banner/Hulk. IMO it is better than Avenger Banner/Hulk.

Norton had banner sussed from fighting his inner demons/monster to how he was afraid for the saftey of others.

Ruffalo's Banner was forced and I did not believe his struggle.

Nortons Hulk was too scary for kids hence the change of CGI for the avengers!
Highflyer
Highflyer - 5/27/2013, 3:45 PM
@Brainiac3000, I noticed they made the hulk more child friendly in the avengers. Norton's hulk was savage!
RaMan
RaMan - 5/27/2013, 6:37 PM
We are Hulk fans forever!

TIH sequel post Avengers 2!
Highflyer
Highflyer - 5/28/2013, 3:27 AM
Agreed!
AC1
AC1 - 5/28/2013, 7:35 AM
@highflyer I think it may have been the director. While he got the tone of the film right, and got the action right too, most of the actors seemed uninterested, so I get the feeling that maybe the director wasn't great at getting performances out of his actors, because I know that they're all very talented - in fact, many of them have starred in some of my favourite movies: Norton's excellent in Fight Club, Tyler is quite good in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and Roth's great in Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and seemed like he put the most effort out of the whole cast in The Incredible Hulk. I just get the feeling that, when I watch it, maybe there was a lack of communication or chemistry between the director and the majority of the cast - or perhaps it could've been that something went down with Marvel Studios that led to everyone not trying very hard.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 5/28/2013, 1:06 PM
@ACiara, maybe you see something that I don't.
J619SD
J619SD - 5/28/2013, 1:39 PM
Defending him from who? Is there actually more than a few insignificant trolls who didn't like Norton's Banner?
Highflyer
Highflyer - 5/28/2013, 2:11 PM
@xNightwingx, I was surprised too. You should read the comments section on article 'Edward Norton no longer aspiring to be in superhero movies.' Many people seemed to be hating on him. Calling his performance a 'rip off of bill bixby.' or 'good riddance'
aresww3
aresww3 - 5/29/2013, 6:49 AM
Agreed. Plus if Norton was in Avengers and had have got Ruffolo´s lines, he would have nailed it. Its not that Ruffolo isn´t great, I just think Norton is a far better actor and they [frick]ed the guys career, by taking out the deleted scenes. It would have been one of the best comic movies to date, if they hadn´t taken them out.

But still props to Ruffolo great performance and I did like THE HULK in the Avengers more than the one in the solo norton movie. Somewhere in the middle and it would be perfect.
Highflyer
Highflyer - 6/9/2013, 10:23 AM
@aresww3, I agree.
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