CBM Box Office Talk: Andrew Stanton's JOHN CARTER

CBM Box Office Talk: Andrew Stanton's JOHN CARTER

In the second part of this new CBM feature, we take a look at Andrew Stanton-directed big screen adaptation of John Carter, a science fiction epic based on the classic novel by Edgar Rice Burroughs. Check it out...

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By WolvieCBM - Dec 04, 2011 11:12 AM EST
Filed Under: John Carter of Mars

With some big comic book, fantasy and science fiction movies coming out next year, I thought it would be interesting to talk about box office predictions, as well as looking back at some previous films that the new ones are connected. For example, today, this article is about Andrew Stanton's John Carter, so we talk about that (you guys share your thoughts in the comment section, of course) and we take a look at the source material, actors, possible predictions and more. But, if we're discussing Marvel's The Avengers, we'll talk about the solo films of the Marvel Cinematic Universe - THOR, Iron Man, Captain America...

I'm not sure how many parts will there be, but I'll also write about The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, G.I. Joe: Retaliation, The Amazing Spider-Man, The Dark Knight Rises and more. So, let's get started.


In 1912, Edgar Rice Burroughs' science fiction novel A Princess of Mars was originally published as Under the Moons of Mars, and it was the first time everyone was introduced to the big adventure in the later popular Barsoom series. In 1917 it was changed to the title it has today. Many writers (even H. P. Lovecraft) said that Burroughs and his stories were inspiration for some of their work.

Next year, for the first time ever, a big screen adaptation based on the first novel (A Princess of Mars) will hit theatres, titled John Carter, distributed by Walt Disney Pictures and directed by Andrew Stanton, who is best known for directing the Oscar-winning films WALL-E and Finding Nemo. This is one of the projects that many tried to develop but it's not until now, that studio managed to finally finish it. This last week, Disney has released a lot of new stuff from the film: images, banners, viral website and of course, a second trailer featuring new footage which changed a lot of opinions regarding this movie. While I prefer the first teaser more because of couple of reasons, the new trailer showed us some big scale action scenes, scope of the film, more characters, and as a fan of the source material, I really liked what I saw. But, it seems that many think how John Carter looks like Attack of the Clones (creature designs) and has the same story as Avatar. The thing is, both of these films have one thing in common, and that is that they have been very much inspired by Edgar Rice Burroughs' work, especially with the material John Carter is based on. Back in 2009, in an interview with New Yorker, director James Cameron himself confirmed that he looked at John Carter of Mars for telling the story in Avatar. So saying that John Carter has the same story or characters as the films mentioned above, is not exactly fair, considering it's the other way around.

When looking at the science fiction and fantasy movies, it's definitely hard to predict how much money will they make at the box office. In October, a rumor surfaced online saying that John Carter needs to make around $700 million worldwide to guarantee a sequel. Now, considering that the budget for the film is somewhere between $200M and $250M, it usually goes that movies need to make twice its production budget, plus marketing (which goes from $50M to $100M for big budget movies) to be called a box office success. So, John Carter would have to make between $500 and $600 million to be a success. With the March 9th release date, the marketing for John Carter is gearing up, and considering that there is quite a big fan base for Burroughs' novels, I think we can expect a solid opening weekend in the range of $70-$75 million (US only), and then if the reviews are good, it could end up at maybe $190-$200 domestically. As with most of the films, international numbers are bigger, and people forget that studios no longer look at US numbers alone. Since this film is based on really popular material, I would say that it could definitely make enough, and hopefully guarantee a sequel. As far as the cast goes, it's pretty great. Even though X-Men Origins: Wolverine was not good, Taylor Kitsch did a decent job playing Gambit with the script he had. I'm definitely looking forward to his performance as John Carter. His Wolverine co-star Lynn Collins is playing Dejah Thoris (Princess of Helium), Willem Dafoe is doing the motion capture/voice for Tars Tarkas, Mark Strong is playing Matai Shang, and the rest of the cast includes Bryan Cranston, Dominic West, Thomas Haden Church, James Purefoy, Ciarán Hinds and Daryl Sabara is playing Edgar Rice Burroughs, the nephew of John Carter. So, what are your thoughts on this adaptation of Edgar Rice Burroughs' novels? Are you a fan of the source material and do you think John Carter will be a box office hit?


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Kokomo
Kokomo - 12/4/2011, 11:47 AM
I am really looking forward to this film and I think that it has a really good chance of doing well at the box office. I love the books and the characters, so I couldn't be more excited for the movie!
AlexRival
AlexRival - 12/4/2011, 11:48 AM
And you know, that Avatar is just Pocahantas...
Sanderman
Sanderman - 12/4/2011, 11:52 AM
i really have no idea how this will turn out
TheNameIsBetty
TheNameIsBetty - 12/4/2011, 11:56 AM
This movie is gonna be beast
Oxbow
Oxbow - 12/4/2011, 12:01 PM
I liked the first pirates movie, so I believe Disney can do this right (even with the ridiculous outfit they have Dejah in). I've never read the original novels but as a lifelong scifi fan, it feels like its already part of my literary DNA, even if it's by cross-pollination alone. As such, and given that so many other films have already borrowed from this material to good effect, Disney is going to have to really do their hw to make this something special. Hope springs eternal...
GreendaleHumanBeing
GreendaleHumanBeing - 12/4/2011, 12:17 PM
I'm looking forward to this movie alot. That being said I see this movie making $35 million (similar to Rango last year) opening weekend. The Lorax (opening the weekend prior) well give it some competition for the family audience. The long run prospects don't look promising with The Hunger Games coming out soon thereafter. Internationally, this movie will dominate I believe.
WolvieCBM
WolvieCBM - 12/4/2011, 12:32 PM
@Intruder: Yep, I have high hopes for this one, and I think it will surprise a lot of people who are not familiar with the source material. And that teaser rocks on every level. Choice of music, especially the lyrics.
DrewMcDo
DrewMcDo - 12/4/2011, 12:50 PM
@oxbowArcher You should read these books. I don't read alot of novels and I just started reading it and haven't been able to put it down. So well written and believe me it would have to be to hook a person like myself.

I really hope this movie does well just to see the entire series brought to life on screen. The first trailer didn't really do it for me due to not being to familiar with the books, but the second one inspired me to read the book and now I'm really excited for it.
WolvieCBM
WolvieCBM - 12/4/2011, 1:27 PM
@Intruder: Definitely not. Stanton is a great storyteller, and they've been working on this film since 2007. Should be good.
SwingsetKnight
SwingsetKnight - 12/4/2011, 2:36 PM
I'm afraid it will end up with average box office, but if there is any justice in this world (or, y'know, Mars), it will not only be a great film but a financial success.

Because John Carter of Mars just deserves that, dammit.
sarahsatire
sarahsatire - 12/4/2011, 2:38 PM
I predict that the creature design of the Tharks is going to greatly disturb me with their scrawniness. Oh wait, that's already happened.

I'm still looking forward to seeing it though, since I love anything Burroughs. I'm still hoping for a serious and well crafted Tarzan film -- maybe that'll come next?
Jolt17
Jolt17 - 12/4/2011, 7:08 PM
This movie will do good. I mean from the movie itself we can expect a great quality, but that's not all; I've seen people change their minds regarding the movie once the second trailer was released. (Tell me that's not a good thing.) The source material alone has always been a good signal that this movie will be great (seriously, that's one hell of a book), so bring it. :)
DZ123
DZ123 - 12/4/2011, 10:17 PM
Not sure what you mean about fanbase. No one here's heard of Burroughs outside of Tarzan.
Jolt17
Jolt17 - 12/4/2011, 10:23 PM
I'm not sure, but as far as I've lived with many people outside of CBM or sci-fi communities, they still go for movies made by Disney. At the very least, they'll be curious of it, especially for Disney movies that are not anything Pixar or those people would consider as 'kid stuffs'. And furthermore, since the promotional stuffs of this movie have been commonly agreed as impressive so far, I actually doubt people won't go see this movie anyway. Seriously, I have a feeling that this will do good...and I'm not yet considering the possibilities of it to become a well-received movie.
Jolt17
Jolt17 - 12/4/2011, 10:40 PM
Box Office-wise, it could be tough for this movie, however. The likes of Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters, The Lorax, Mirror, Mirror, and most of all The Raven (which will be released at the same day) and The Hunger Games (around one or two weeks later) - probably Wrath of the Titans, too - could set up competitions. Not that I said it was quality-wise, though.
comicbookmovienut
comicbookmovienut - 12/5/2011, 5:42 AM
This movie will probably have modest success considering the heavy traffic in March. My estimate for the opening weekend is $45 million and a total of $140 million. Worldwide I picture a $50 million opening and an overall sum of $290 million totaling $430 million given The Hunger Games will only be out two weeks later and Wrath of the Titans a week after that, as well as the fact its trailers are making people scratch their heads (although this one is pretty awesome). It will likely only be a modest success and if a sequel were possibly to be made (Disney hasn't given up on Tron after all) it will probably be on a much smaller budget.
Oxbow
Oxbow - 12/5/2011, 10:31 PM
@DrewMcdo:

Princess of Mars is def on my list! There is an issue of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen that JC and the tharks figure prominently in; that was my first exposure to this universe and i could see how iconic it all was from how those guys treated the material! Your praise might just make me move Burroughs up on my list though! Have you read any of his Tarzan novels yet?
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