EDITORIAL: Why the Justice League Movie isn't what the Fans Want

EDITORIAL: Why the Justice League Movie isn't what the Fans Want

I offer up my honest opinion on the recently announced Justice League movie and why it could be a disastrous mistake. (and yes, this is coming from a Marvel fan.)

Editorial Opinion
By SmokinIndo - Mar 30, 2011 06:03 PM EST
Filed Under: Justice League



I promised myself that when the Justice League movie eventually was announced, I wouldn't be a dick about it. After all, DC has a group of heroes of their own (more famous than The Avengers) and it's only inevitable that a film about them gets made. There's no reason why a JLA movie should get postponed indefinitely just because Marvel made The Avengers. But with the recent announcement that Warner Bros IS planning a JLA movie for 2013, I find myself raising an eyebrow at this sudden and seemingly unplanned development. There's no question that many of the people on this site have raised an eyebrow or two regarding a few of the spurious actions made by Warner Bros involving their DC properties. With a lot of travesties under their belt as well as the abysmal looking Wonder Woman tv series, some have even gone as far to call WB as bad as Fox. Galactus himself has even had personal experiences with WB and says they're extremely strict and anal about their film properties. With the announcement of the JLA movie, this can only be interpreted as a further example of WB's alleged tyrannical hold over DC.

My case starts with the fact that the plan is to release a JLA movie without any kind of individual films to set up each character. Snyder's Superman and Nolan's Batman are not going to be in the picture. Those characters are being "reinvented". (which is a sneak way of saying rebooted.) While we all knew that Nolan's Batman would end at some point, nobody expected that he would be hitting the silver screen just one year after The Dark Knight Rises. For audiences everywhere, it will be incredibly hard to swallow the realization that the famous and forever-loved Christopher Nolan series is dead in the water and getting rebooted. It's almost like raising a pig and loving it only for the slaughterhouse to take it away from you and expecting you to be happy with a platter of bacon and pork. For an example that's more close to home, it would be like Marvel scrapping the Iron Man movies and having a completely different Tony Stark in the Avengers. Not just a different actor, but an all new character with a different backstory.

The fact that the JLA movie is getting made without ANY kind of solo movie for each major character is a huge problem indeed. Each member of the Justice League has backstory worthy of getting told in the form of a solo movie. Warner Bros should actually be making MORE solo films for the JLA than Marvel has been releasing for the Avengers. If you're going to introduce all the major characters of the Justice League in one film, that movie had better be 4-5 hours long. Not only do you have to develop each hero fully, but you also have to develop the story as well as the villain. And then you've got to squeeze the action scenes into the mix. The idea of all this being in one movie is why so many people consider the superhero ensemble to be virtually unfilmable. But Marvel has managed to stun the naysayers with it's clever use of a shared universe and individual films for each hero. Within each film you've got hints and nods to other happenings in the Marvel Universe specifically dealing with other heroes on the team. By the time the Avengers comes around, you've got these extremely fresh, popular, and fleshed-out characters who don't need any development. (The audience already knows who they are.) With the JLA film, it's just going to be a huge cluster[frick] trying to get these characters to work on the big-screen together.

All this leads up to my final point. I will rest my case by saying that fans should be worried about the future of DC Entertainment. We were promised that DC would turn over a new leaf. But this doesn't seem to be the case. Why do I sound so negative? Because I'm a biased Marvel fan of course. WRONG!
The answer is because Geoff Johns, Christopher Nolan, and Zack Snyder (the guys who have proven to have dedication to their respective characters, and who DC fans like to boast about) have made it very clear that they not only advise against seeing their movies combined into a single universe, but they just don't want it! What is WB's response to this? They make the movie anyway! And completely ignore The Dark Knight as well as Green Lantern and the Man of Steel. And then there's the fact that they want to release it almost immediately after 2012 as well as having NO solo films as set-up before it. It seems very clear to me that WB went AGAINST the wishes of DC in order to make a quick buck off of the coattails of Marvel's Avengers. And as we've learned from Fox's X-Men series, making a film solely for profit is NEVER a good thing and will lead to a lot of upset fans. (and audiences alike.)

And the worst part for DC fans is that this movie could have disastrous effects. I am not advocating that The Avengers will be a success. (Although it's likelihood sounds FAR greater than that of the Justice League movie.) But if the Avengers is successful and JLA is a critical disaster, it WILL be remembered by audiences as an attempt to steal the Avengers' thunder. Marvel has made it very clear with the release of 5 different solo films that they've got an Avengers film in the making. WB has nothing to show for their JLA film except for giftwrap and a Christmas card. It could end up being an abject humiliation for DC fans as well as DC entertainment.

You can call me a biased Marvel fan all you want. But I'm just stating the facts that WB has gone against the wishes of the guys who have brought them success with their DC properties and have pleased fans alike. Without them, we'd be stuck with endless sequels to Batman and Robin as well as Catwoman and Jonah Hex. I can't see any other reason for this quick decision except that WB wants a cash cow after Harry Potter ends and after Marvel/Disney boasts The Avengers. There doesn't seem to be any incentive to flex their creative muscles or to respect and honor these characters. I've heard fans say that they would wait 50 years if it meant getting one amazing Justice League movie. But WB seems to be blatantly contradicting this ideology.
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writernick
writernick - 3/30/2011, 7:19 PM
To make a movie with all these individual charismatic characters would lessen their merits from previous solo incarnations n't know, I just don't see it. To make a movie with all these individual charismatic characters would lessen their merits from previous solo incarnations
writernick
writernick - 3/30/2011, 7:20 PM
And the more I see that pic, the more I think they look like clowns
Starlight
Starlight - 3/30/2011, 8:05 PM
I don't think DC has any REAL PLAN for this... they're just trying to mimic MARVEL as fast as possible.
Dewey
Dewey - 3/30/2011, 8:07 PM
I create a facebook page for fans gather http://www.facebook.com/pages/WE-WANT-Bale-Cavill-Reynolds-and-Palicki-in-a-JLA-MOVIE/190390567672117
dxperry
dxperry - 3/30/2011, 8:09 PM
I totally agree. The characters need solo films first
TheManWhoLaughs
TheManWhoLaughs - 3/30/2011, 8:13 PM
It seems as if this website has a lot of die hard Marvel fanboys and seems to bash any news about DC. People keep saying that DC is losing in the film market and yet they have The Dark Knight under their belt which is enough said. And where they may not be pushing out DC films like hot cakes such as Marvel. They are dominating in the comic genre (even videogames). I mean all the major DC storylines have been pure gold and have some amazing writing. Yeah I am a DC man myself but I love Marvel as well. Now with that saying I highly doubt a JL movie is happening by 2013. Hell this could be another Justice leauge Mortal situation. Can a Justice Leauge film happen without any solo films? I believe so. Yeah it may seem a little lazy that they wont have their own solo films but DC clearly stated awhile back that they did not want to piggy back on Marvel because their characters would not need one. The way I see it is just wait for more news to come rather than just bashing DC. We are all comic book fans lets just all get along.
LibertySeaOtter
LibertySeaOtter - 3/30/2011, 8:15 PM
how about we start out with that batman vs. superman first? see where it goes.
mrHJK
mrHJK - 3/30/2011, 8:17 PM
http://sharetv.org/images/justice_league_unlimited-show.jpg

[frick] solo films
what Marvel is doing is cool, but DC heroes work best in teams as proven by various tv shows..should have gone forward with the idea of at least a JLA trilogy without solo films, maybe we'll finally get that after Nolan's Batman epic ends, Snyder's sure to be single film, and the GL movie and WW tv series failures

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, GL (JS) for first movie- THIS would be the best CBM of all time if handled right
LFANCH
LFANCH - 3/30/2011, 8:18 PM
@indoraptor12 great article. I feel the exact same way. the crappy part is they will probably make plenty of money off of it based on name alone. at least once anyways.

the only thing that I would kinda like to see is them use the superman and batman from the previous films. Already fleshed out more than they need to be, and people would recognize them. having routh back would be cool. If they could get keaton to play (a slightly older) batman that would be amazing. If not i wouldn't mind giving clooney another shot, I don't think batman & robin was his fault anyways.

Then they could have JL as a continuation of the older movies for the fans that like those, and the newer ones for fans that prefer them. It may be the sh*tiest idea i ever had, but i honestly don't think it would hurt the film any as it is now.
LFANCH
LFANCH - 3/30/2011, 8:26 PM
@mrHJK I think if they could succefully restablish superman in film, then a well made "death of superman" movie with doomsday would have a much better shot a best CBM of all time.
JULES
JULES - 3/30/2011, 8:27 PM
You have solid points all the way around. I want a JL movie as much as the next cbm fan; however, you are right about this movie being rushed. Every DC lover should be more worried than excited. How can a movie fully develop a full JL roster: Supes, Bats, WW and Flash etc.. and make you actually care about them. Then at the same time assemble them and have them take on a villain. It can't be done (well). I will use a recent example Sucker Punch. All that movie did was give us the roster with zero back story on the characters (Except Babydoll). All we got was amazing eye candy but I didn't care about them so there was no suspense. We need solo movies building JL up to make us care. We can't care about the team till we care about the team members. Ill get off my soapbox now but bad move WB.
haljordan2814
haljordan2814 - 3/30/2011, 8:32 PM
@writernick Yeah, clowns... and a guy with a candy cane striped midsection and white wings on his ears doesn't look cheesy, especially next to a headbanger with a winged hard hat and a guy in purple tights and a bow and arrow. You need to be reading something other than comics if you think like that. As for this movie, all I can do is hope that WB doesn't screw up something with such potential by jumping the gun. In the meantime, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy Green Lantern! BTW, I love the Avengers and I'll see all the Marvel movies, I was just proving a point that most comics characters look like clowns.
paalbr
paalbr - 3/30/2011, 8:32 PM
@Darkmatter Hey, I'm a hardcore DC and I'm HOPING it doesn't happen.

I'm still confused as to what this means for The Flash and Green Lantern 2? Aren't those still in development?
Dakjaniels
Dakjaniels - 3/30/2011, 8:37 PM
Anytime studios try to interfere in the works of talented filmmakers disaster strikes.

I'd rather them leave nolan and snyder alone to make great standalone films than try to force them into reworking already in development projects for the sake of appeasing a few fans who can't even agree on what it is we want.

113
113 - 3/30/2011, 8:38 PM
As a DC fan, I say to you indoraptor12, THANK YOU...For speaking the truth.

I could not of said it better myself. All the reasons you listed are exactly why I'm so pissed about this JLA movie coming out so quickly and having no relation to the individual movies coming out before. WB really pisses me off, but what pisses me off more is that the creative minds in DC (like Geoff Johns and Nolan) have been so adamant about keeping the superhero properties seperate. Nolan could of easily dropped hints in his movies towards the wider DC universe (i.e. have Batman mention Metropolis and a flying guy, have Batman mention he's been tracking some sort of "green" energy in the universe) or something along those lines.

But nooooo, Geoff Johns and Nolan (whom I respect a lot) decided that they were not going to do something similar to Marvel, but concentrate on individual movies...dashing the fans hopes for an eventually GREAT JLA movie. It would not of taken much, but after the creative minds sitting on their hands, WB has now gone in the complete opposite and radical direction of just ignoring the other properties and launching a JLA franchise without the creative team behind it and approving it.

So I blame BOTH sides in this upcoming debacle, i blame Geoff Johns and Nolan and the others for not having ANY imagination (like Marvel has had for years) and I blame the suits in WB for not working WITH the creative minds to come up with a quality product and just deciding to rush out a product for profit.



This WILL be terrible for the comic book movie genre in general because once JLA sucks everyone including the general public will have a bad taste in their mouths. And in fact the general public will just be CONFUSED about wtf is going on..They'll be like "did i just see a different superman in a different movie 6 months ago?"


UGGH, as you can see, as a huge DC fan, I'm so very pissed about this..SO PISSED.
Dewey
Dewey - 3/30/2011, 8:40 PM
i think dc not necessary need more solo movie: batman, superman, green lantern and wonder woman (tv show) will have one each before 2013, the only one who was planned and who don't have will be flash. martian manhunter and aquaman don't need a movie as black widow, hawkeye and ant man don't need one before the avengers. doing cameo like tony stark in the incredible hulk should be the solution. for example, henry cavill as clark kent or superman in green lantern movie, wonder woman in batman 3 and martian manhunter in man of steel, the jla don't need more because there is only 7 characters in the beginning team, no shield history or nazi refer to intruduce captain america which need one movie each. The cameo should be the solution, but please no more reboot, the actual casting is good. why warner don't write contract for multiple movie for example chris evans sign for 9 movies.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/WE-WANT-Bale-Cavill-Reynolds-and-Palicki-in-a-JLA-MOVIE/190390567672117
JudgeDrok
JudgeDrok - 3/30/2011, 8:42 PM
Hey I'm new here so a big 'hello' to everyone! Been browsing this site for a good few years about time I signed up!

I think it's the right thing for Chris Nolans Batman to be 'reinvented/rebooted' for the JLA film as from the very beginning the whole point of his take was to create a realistic take on the character and that's why it has done so well and people like myself love what he's doing with it. Seeing Bale's Batman just wouldnt work as it goes against what Nolan set out to achieve, you just couldnt imagine Superman/Wonderwoman flying around Nolans universe ...

However I do agree that this proposed JLA film is a terrible idea. They should fully establish characters who have yet to hit the silver screen such as The Flash, Martian Manhunter, Wonderwoman etc
DBeck
DBeck - 3/30/2011, 8:49 PM
@TheManWhoLaughs DC is only selling more comics because they're cheaper, not because of quality. Flashpoint looks like a great idea with terrible execution. The Green Arrow one looks like the only part I'm interested in.
trekjedi
trekjedi - 3/30/2011, 8:50 PM
Here's my two cents. I agree, just throwing together a JLA movie looks like WB trying to cash in on Avengers coat tales. However, if WB gets their head out of their ass, they could make a movie that could potentially be better than the avengers. The best example we have of a functioning JLA live action is Smallville. Though it was set within confines of a, lets face it, hit and miss series, they were able to set up the characters individually. They were then able to bring them together and work as a team. Personally, I'd love to see a JLA spin off series from what they've established but I know that is likely not going to happen.
I'm just hoping they get it right, other wise we may wind up with this

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JackNapier3d
JackNapier3d - 3/30/2011, 8:52 PM
DEFFINATLY MAKES SENSE PLUS THEY ALREADY SAID GREEN LANTERN 2 IS HAPPENING SO THERE GONNA HAVE 2 DIFFERENT GREEN LANTERNS AT THE SAME TIME CUZ I DONT SEE RYAN RENOYLDS DOIN JLA...I DONT THINK ITS EVEN GONNA HAPPEN..
dirkage87
dirkage87 - 3/30/2011, 9:06 PM
we should start some kinda major internet petition. or riot...
Rocketico
Rocketico - 3/30/2011, 9:07 PM
There are so many ways to take this. Your point is valid 100%. But what if the movie is for fans and not everyone else. They have to tell stories for people who need to be introduced to the characters. But for those who know and are intimate to each character, its possible to skip all the introductions and tell it as a story of how they came together. As we have watched Batman on tv for the last few (many many) years. Cameos take place and no one ever complains when the Flash or Superman or Blue Beetle stops by. We all actually get giddy and go "YES!! This episode is going to rock." The timing is wrong (Due to The Avengers), the idea of throwing out everything that will come out the previous year is wrong (TDKR, Man of Steel). But the concept isn't more flawed than any other movie. How can Superman be the only superhero on the planet and have a day job? Continuity is always thrown out the door with movies, so who is really surprised? In my honest opinion, I think they will upset many fans and and very many random movie-goers. Everyone will compare Bats and Supes to their previous movies. They will get upset Batman and Supes didnt fight each other, which wouldn't ever happen. They will cast a random pretty boy and a sexy popular chick to draw more people. But I hope and for some reason think, they will surprise us with one character. I see one of the JL members stealing the movie. Be it the tone of the character or the actors dedication to doing it right and giving us hope for a proper spin-off of a very deserving character.
dirkage87
dirkage87 - 3/30/2011, 9:14 PM
i dont think wb feels that any of their characters are strong enough to carry their own movie. obviously batman and superman can. green lantern well find out. but besides them, no other character can. flash? hed be better just in a jla movie. wonder woman would just be embarassing. whos left? aquaman is gay and no one knows who arrow or that hawk dude or the martian is
IronicMan
IronicMan - 3/30/2011, 9:15 PM
Yeah it won't happen. Collapsing in the next few months.
Choppaholic26
Choppaholic26 - 3/30/2011, 9:15 PM
Very eloquently put article Mr. Legend, very well put.

If this film is to be done proper they need to put a hell of a lot more time planning it. I could see why they would want to compete with The Avengers but by rushing out a poorly thought out Justice League film they would just be shitting on the Iconic DC name.
SmokinIndo
SmokinIndo - 3/30/2011, 9:17 PM
@TheManWhoLaughs

"DC is dominating the market in Video Games."


That's hilarious.

Before Batman: Arkham Asylum, every single good comic book game was based on a Marvel character. You never even hear about DC video games because they are so god-awful that they just disappear off the market. Have you ever heard of Aquaman: Battle for Atlantis for the Xbox? It's totally real. What about all the Superman and Batman games that have come out and then were quickly forgotten? Most of DC's video games have been rated some of the worst video games of all time. Meanwhile, almost every single Marvel video game has, at the time of its release, been praised as the greatest superhero video game of all time.
Jonceron
Jonceron - 3/30/2011, 9:19 PM
Everyone is assuming avengers will be a huge hit already. try to remember that is is all hype right now, and yes even though the solo films look and probably will be amazing, from a directing point of view it will be damn near impossible to direct all these "stars" in one assemble film. (ala Tropic-Thunder-itis) Maybe introducing the other characters ( flash, hawkman, aquaman, manhunter, REAL wonderwoman) in the JLA movie might not be such a bad idea. If WB can somehow use Synder's superman and play off that, perhaps you do not need an origin story, and same goes with Batman (flashbacks work just fine). With the other characters a small meeting could take place in the beginning that states a quick origin story (ex: Aquaman could say some alien invasion is a threat to Atlantis, and as King he is here to protect his kingdom). All i'm saying is that there are other way to introduce characters without having solo films (although a solo flash film would kick ass)....how well would a solo martian manhunter film or solo aquaman film really do?
aaronite1999
aaronite1999 - 3/30/2011, 9:23 PM
According to IMDB, Justice League: Mortal is coming out in 2013.

So it seems this is still looked at as the same project (?)
comicbookjerk
comicbookjerk - 3/30/2011, 9:27 PM
I want this movie to happen :()
hero1684
hero1684 - 3/30/2011, 9:36 PM
I think it's possible to have this movie work w/a degree of quality as in X-men or Watchmen which introduced characters that we knew through comics but not through any independent movies. I believe you will have far more greater storyline connection w/fans by having solo movies but it can work w/reboots. (Marvel is doing it w/Spiderman and the new X-men...right?)
TheManWhoLaughs
TheManWhoLaughs - 3/30/2011, 9:37 PM
@indoraptor12 No Im not retarded, I was just trying to get a point across that DC does not need to get to anxious to put out a JL movie just because of Marvel. They have other markets they can invest in such as animation, comics, and videogames. That little rant is unecessary. My comment was not even mainly surronded by videogames. I was actually agreeing with you about a Justice Leauge movie happening too soon. Damn its just a comment dont take it so serious. This is the reason why I created an account for this site is because for months Ive seen that no DC fan could get a point across without the die hard Marvel fans jumping their throats. I just want to have a real and suttle conversation about comicbook movies not to troll or spam.
SmokinIndo
SmokinIndo - 3/30/2011, 9:38 PM
@hero1684

Marvel has nothing to do with the new X-Men and Spider-Man films.
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 3/30/2011, 9:50 PM
Well done indoraptor. I haven't read the whole thing yet, but I strongly agree. This is a big mistake.
NeoBaggins
NeoBaggins - 3/30/2011, 9:53 PM
It is a really bad move to come out of left field with a JLA movie without having any solid foundation with the characters and movie-goers in general. WBDC should have had this thing rolling a long time ago. Green Lantern is like the first real piece of the puzzle that would lead to a JLA film. Anyone counting Nolans Batman films are, well, batty. Of course a completely different Batman has to be fitted for the scientific and super-powered world of JLA. And it doesn't have to be on the heels of TDKR. Here's the plan:

Get Green Lantern out there. Even if the movie fails on some level, stick with Reynolds and ride it out. SOMEONE is going to like it- enough to where they'll want to see a sequel, or at least enough to accept Reynolds as GL. And just think if it turns out good. So, Green Lantern is in place.

Superman Is already coming up fast, so there's no way he can be saved for last. We'll leave that up to Batman. There's a good chance that the movie will be strong with Zack and Nolan on the case. Snyder didn't get fired for losing WB millions of dollars with his feature length sex music video called Sucker Punch. Supes being well recieved will help all the other solo films surrounding. Kinda like Iron Man being the nucleus for the Avengers.

Next, get the FLASH going. This way, whatever the hell that Wonder Woman show is going to be will be in full swing, living or dying on it's own. Flash's production and release will allow time to distance the Wonder Woman show from the movie which should be getting underway to be released after Flash.

Now, Wonder Woman is ready to be released. The TV show is either cancelled, doing okay, or not that big a deal to distract anyone. All the above is good for the film because it hung back, let GL, Supes and Flash build things up.

Batman Take the casting seriously, make a non-origin story film with his most freakish and scientific villains. Make it obvious that this Batman is in a very unrealistic world.

JLA

Any other way is uncivilized.

ps: I think Aquaman can hold his own film if the casting and writing is good. Respect is possible, but people have to be serious about it. At least add him in the other movies like Hawkeye if he doesnt get his own.
SmokinIndo
SmokinIndo - 3/30/2011, 9:54 PM
@TheManWhoLaughs

I changed my comment right before you responded. I agree that that was unnecessary and I apologize for the name calling. I never get like that on these forums.

As for what you've said, movies are the single greatest investment that these companies can make. They are what's most accessible to the general audience and they bring in the most revenue for the company. The success of these movies are also what boosts sales for the comics and even the video games. (Batman: Arkham Asylum was riding on the success of TDK.) It's not hard to believe that WB would focus all of their attention on rushing a JLA film in order to hop on the bandwagon created by the Avengers.
Shunt
Shunt - 3/30/2011, 9:57 PM
Good points on this article and your right for the most part..

BUT

All things aside tho, I actually finally realize that there is a real authentic feud between Marvel fans & DC Fans.. never realized it so much until i signed up to this site.. And one thing I noticed most is that Marvel Fans love to sh*t on DC fans whenever possible..


I'll just say this.. I wish so bad that WB & DC Comics along with Nolan would just have the f*cking BALLS to suck it up, invest the money to get "The Flash" & "Wonder Woman" movies into production by the end of 2011, push hard promo for "The Man Of Steel".. Convince Nolan to break his promise of keeping Batman in his own Universe and throw at least one Superman reference in "The Dark Knight Rises" & throw in a Batman teaser in "The Man of Steel".. Get a Barry Allen cameo at the end of "The Green Lantern"... Set everything up for a 2014 "Justice League" movie with Nolan producing, Bale, Cavill & Reynolds Cast in their respected roles just soo DC could take a big hott steamy pile of shit all over the Avengers, Marvel Co & their fans...

Too bad, this is never going to happen.. which puts this whole thing back to square one..which is that WB just doent have the balls to push their Superheros with the respect they deserve..

Marvel on Marvel fans...
Jonceron
Jonceron - 3/30/2011, 10:01 PM
@NeoBaggins

good point about probably having to "reboot" batman, but I believe that the only reason the Avengers have a shot and why they all got solo films was because there are only four main Avengers (if Hulk ends up being an Avenger in the Marvel Cinema Universe)...Justice League just about always had about 8 members give or take. Lets say Green Lantern is DC's Iron Man, and it is paving the way for JLA...then you have knocked out GL. What about the rest of them? Are we realistically looking at a solo Flash, another Batman, Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Hawkman, Aquaman films? I think WB and DC both know that there are too many heroes for solo films, so why not introduce them in a JLA film, and if they are successful, you go into origin films (Deadpool in Wolverine for example)...just my thought however
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