6 "Filmmakers" Who Should NEVER Be Allowed Near Another Marvel Or DC Comics Movie Ever Again

6 "Filmmakers" Who Should NEVER Be Allowed Near Another Marvel Or DC Comics Movie Ever Again

With so much talk of superhero fatigue, you'd be forgiven for thinking superhero movies are on their way out. Well, they're not, but to help matters, this lot should never be allowed near them again...

Feature Opinion
By JoshWilding - Oct 30, 2023 01:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Studios

While some would have you believe that the end is nigh for superhero movies, not even a few disappointing box office results and a handful of bad reviews can overshadow the success movies like Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 have found this year. 

Yes, some changes need to be made if this genre is going to survive, but with Marvel Studios looking to make some much-needed improvements and DC Studios' DCU reboot on the horizon, things are already looking up. 

However, we've been thinking back to other times these comic book adaptations have struggled and the same names keep coming up. That's why we've compiled a list of filmmakers who we believe should never be allowed near this genre again simply for the sheer amount of damage they've already inflicted upon it. 

Find out who we've singled out by clicking on the "Next" button below. 
 

6. Walter Hamada

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Walter Hamada was named DC Films President in 2018 and remained in the role until last October. Before that, he had executive produced several DC movies, including Aquaman, Shazam!, and The Suicide Squad

However, he also oversaw many of the DCEU's worst releases, including Wonder Woman 1984, Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey, Black Adam, and this year's flops, Shazam! Fury of the Gods, The Flash, and Blue Beetle

While he was cleared of any wrongdoing after Justice League star Ray Fisher laid some extremely damaging accusations at the executive's feet, there's simply no getting around the fact that his tenure as DC Films President was a failure. Yes, his Crisis on Infinite Earths plans sound ambitious (as did the idea for a Batman Beyond project) but it all came too little, too late. 

Hamada is far from the worst offender on this list, but it was ultimately on his watch that the DCEU died. 
 

5. Simon Kinberg

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Simon Kinberg wrote X-Men: The Last Stand, a movie that botched two popular comic book storylines, "The Dark Phoenix Saga" and "The Cure." Despite that, he was somehow enlisted to pen X-Men: Days of Future Past and X-Men: Apocalypse

In fairness, the former received a largely positive response (we're assuming it was the novelty of seeing the new and original casts share the screen), but after the latter movie, it was obvious that he wasn't the right person to be developing these characters. Along the way, he even got hands-on with Josh Trank's Fantastic Four, delivering a Frankenstein's monster of a movie after allegedly taking charge of reshoots. 

Still, 20th Century Fox entrusted him with both writing and directing Dark Phoenix, the worst-reviewed X-Men outing to date. Ironically, the odds were stacked against him this time after the studio forced the director to turn a two-part movie into a single adventure. 

With no real understanding of these characters or any noticeable respect for the source material, Kinberg needs to be kept away from all future comic book movies. 
 

4. Jeph Loeb

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We know many of you love Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and we're not here to attack the show. Honest! Despite sometimes feeling a tad low-budget, it was the best of a bad bunch of forgettable offerings from Marvel Television. Yes, yes, we know there were some wins like Daredevil and Jessica Jones' first season, but overall, what we got from the studio wasn't good. 

Independent from Marvel Studios and run by acclaimed comic book scribe Jeph Loeb (who had previously delivered some of Smallville's best episodes as a writer), Marvel Television made bad decision after bad decision. 

From making Luke Cage a gangster to everything about Iron Fist and even the shockingly inaccurate portrayal of characters like the Inhumans and Runaways, these TV shows were produced as if they were all comic book movies released in the mid-2000s. Even the best ones haven't aged well and it's no wonder they're in no way, shape, or form considered canon in the MCU (even if some actors have been given the chance to return). 

Just like his comic book work eventually fell of a cliff, Loeb lost his touch somewhere along the line and it shows when looking back at his tenure as Marvel Television President. 
 

3. Bryan Singer

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Bryan Singer ever working in Hollywood again is likely off the table following a series of incredibly serious sexual misconduct allegations. When he was announced as Red Sonja's director, for example, the backlash was swift and vocal enough for him to be quickly fired. 

Honestly, his career ending is arguably for the best. Superman Returns was a forgettable love letter to a bygone era of comic book movies, but it's the X-Men franchise where Singer committed his most heinous filmmaking crimes. 

It's no secret that his disdain for the source material saw him make comic books a contraband item on X-Men's set and, honestly, it shows. Some moments and characters work well, but for the most part, his movies fail to capture the essence of what makes mutants so great. 

The one time Singer did embrace the comics in a bid to match the MCU's success, it was a disaster. Why? Because he just didn't get it. 
 

2. Joss Whedon

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For some reason, there now appears to be a consensus online that neither The Avengers nor Avengers: Age of Ultron were good movies.

It's a take we struggle to make sense of because, while they may not have been as ambitious as Infinity War and Endgame, they successfully brought Earth's Mightiest Heroes together on screen for two memorable, and undeniably epic, adventures (even if there were a few creative misfires along the way). 

Joss Whedon was responsible for writing and directing them, so if we were such a fan of the 2012 and 2015 blockbusters, why is he named here? Well, it all goes back to Justice League and what sounds like some pretty reprehensible behaviour on the filmmaker's part. 

From bullying cast and crew to letting his ego get the best of him, Whedon arguably ruined his reputation, though a series of damaging claims about his conduct while making Buffy the Vampire Slayer did little to help matters either. 
 

1. Avi Arad

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Honestly, we could have written an entire feature about Avi Arad's shortcomings as a producer. We'd strongly recommend picking up MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios for further insights into why he was a detriment to that company, but we're focusing on what he's inflicted on poor old Spider-Man.

Arad bullied Sam Raimi into including Venom in Spider-Man 3, effectively ruining the movie. He also spearheaded The Amazing Spider-Man movies, attempting to rush into a Sinister Six project full of so many dumb ideas that it makes The Amazing Spider-Man 3 - featuring dead characters resurrected by a magic potion - sound half-sane. 

Since then, he's pushed to create a Spider-Verse without the wall-crawler, hence why we've had to suffer through stinkers like Venom and Morbius. Something tells us the worst is yet to come with Madame Web and Kraven the Hunter on the horizon. 

Arad also hates the fact that Spider-Man is in the MCU, despite those movies being thousands of times better than anything he's ever taken charge of. Are we being too harsh? Go watch Morbius' post-credits scene again and then tell us this guy isn't a total goofball...
 

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TCronson
TCronson - 10/30/2023, 1:20 PM
Singer shouldn't be on this list, first two X-Men and Days of Future Past are great movies and Wilding is a paid dummy who gave Trank's Capone 10/10 just because Trank gave him an interview or maybe Wilding just has a horrible taste.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 10/30/2023, 1:25 PM
@TCronson - singer sucks. X2 and DOFP were about the only decent things he did for X-men.
He made a horrible Superman movie and Xmen1 and Apocalypse were disappointing… and yes X1 in comparison to what came out around that time was ok but looking back on it just ask yourself… “What happens when a toad gets struck by lightning?”
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 10/30/2023, 1:35 PM
@slickrickdesigns

Joss Whedon wrote that line… lol.
braunermegda
braunermegda - 10/30/2023, 1:48 PM
@TCronson - josh indeed has a horrible taste, hence his "jaw dropping" fan arts he posts by the also terrible boss logic and other pieces of shit poorly done he likes.
Origame
Origame - 10/30/2023, 2:12 PM
@TCronson - not to mention the double standards. He said comics were banned from set as reason to not bring him back, yet producers in the mcu are bragging that they consider being a fan of the source material as a red flag and the creators of secret invasion admitted to not even touching the book when making the show.
FinnishDude
FinnishDude - 10/30/2023, 2:28 PM
@TCronson - X-Men 1 is mediocre set-up movie, with boring direction, DOFP falls apart more you think about it and Apocalypse is one of the worst Marvel movies ever made.
Tpo81
Tpo81 - 10/30/2023, 6:23 PM
@TCronson - he gave Capone 10/10??? Seriously?
Vigor
Vigor - 10/30/2023, 1:22 PM
Damn Josh went OFF on Avi haha
B1ackManta
B1ackManta - 10/30/2023, 1:29 PM
Zack Snyder
Goldboink
Goldboink - 10/30/2023, 1:53 PM
@B1ackManta -
Yea, no mention of him here is telling.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 10/30/2023, 2:33 PM
@Goldboink - Not necessarily. Snyder's DC movies sucked. But you can't forget Watchmen and 300. Those were both fantastic movies in my opinion.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 10/30/2023, 2:50 PM
@CorndogBurglar - Yeah, Snyder fits in a certain lane for CBMs. He just needs to be bridled.
DudeGuy
DudeGuy - 10/30/2023, 3:16 PM
@B1ackManta - I want Snyder to do Spawn 😬
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 10/30/2023, 4:11 PM
@JustAWaffle - I think Snyder is good with comic book movies where the comics were just a one and done story. Because he can make that faithfully.

No one can take a characters with 60 years of backstory and comic history and make a 100% faithful adaptation. It's just not possible without changing things. And it just so happens that Snyder's changes for DC were really bad lol.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 10/30/2023, 4:12 PM
@DudeGuy - You know, that's actually a fantastic idea. Spawn is exactly the type of dark, edgy, extreme kind of stuff that Snyder could really do well. And his cinematography showing Spawns powers would be incredible to see.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 10/30/2023, 5:17 PM
@CorndogBurglar -
Those two are undoubtedly great movies and worthy of watching multiple times. His creative decisions on the DC stuff can't be forgiven though. The reason that both 300 and Watchmen were great is he was able to translate the graphic novel to the page very faithfully. Some argue that the changes in Watchmen were unwarranted but he really nailed each and every character and the few changes, like making Dr. Manhattan the scapegoat instead of an artificial alien can be forgiven as a cinematic adaptation.

Once Snyder convinced himself that he was a creative force rather than a good adapter of other people's work is when he started having problems.
B1ackManta
B1ackManta - 11/2/2023, 7:46 PM
@CorndogBurglar - Extended Watchmen is fantastic, and 300 is iconic, but those were successful adaptations of great comics. When it came time for him to make something original it fell apart at the seams. Zack Snyder knows how to make stuff look cool, but when it comes to story... not so much.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/2/2023, 8:36 PM
@B1ackManta - I agree. That's why his DC stuff was so bad. He excels at self contained stories like Watchmen and 300. But you can't make a perfect adaptation of characters with over 60 years of history, so you have to come up with new ways to do things and stories to tell.

I will admit though, as bad as Sucker Punch is, and as silly as Army of the Dead was, I still enjoy watching those movies. And his Dawn of the Dead remake is one of the best zombie movies of all time.

For most pretty much all his movies I can still watch them and get some kind of entertainment out of them. Except his DC stuff. I liked Man of Steel, I won't lie. But his whole world he set up and BvS and Justice League are just bad. I can't even watch them again.
IronMan616
IronMan616 - 10/30/2023, 1:32 PM
You forgot Taika Waititi and Victoria Alonso.
asherman93
asherman93 - 10/30/2023, 1:41 PM
@IronMan616 - Can’t comment about Alonso, but I’d actually argue that while Ragnarok was a dumpster fire, Love and Thunder has me convinced he can do some decent Marvel stuff.
mountainman
mountainman - 10/30/2023, 2:07 PM
@asherman93 - Love and Thunder is the worst MCU movie ever.
asherman93
asherman93 - 10/30/2023, 2:33 PM
@mountainman - Nah. Ragnarok is the only bad one - though if you squint, I can see an argument about Black Widow or Eternals.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 10/30/2023, 2:35 PM
@asherman93 - Really? I hate both Ragnarok and Love and Thunder, but I realize I'm on the minority about Ragnarok.

It's a little surprising to see someone who thinks Love and Thunder was a good movie. I don't mean to he insulting. If you like it, you like it. More power to you. You just don't see many people say that lol.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 10/30/2023, 2:53 PM
@IronMan616 - I still love Ragnarok. Taika is another director who needs bumpers on his bowling lane. That said, L&T was the worst CBM I’ve seen in the last 10 years.
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 10/30/2023, 4:36 PM
@IronMan616 - Whose places would they take on this list of 6?
Mercwitham0uth
Mercwitham0uth - 10/30/2023, 4:40 PM
@JustAWaffle - yeah I really liked Ragnarok. Probably the best of Thor films imo.

Love & Thunder? [frick]ing hell what a complete downgrade. It made The Dark World look like a masterpiece.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 10/30/2023, 6:35 PM
@JustAWaffle -
“L&T was the worst CBM I’ve seen in the last 10 years.“

I’m guessing you skipped WW84, Shazam and the first Suicide Squad.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 10/31/2023, 1:43 AM
@slickrickdesigns - No I saw each of those and stand by my statement.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 10/30/2023, 1:33 PM
“For some reason, there now appears to be a consensus online that neither The Avengers nor Avengers: Age of Ultron were good movies.“

Who said that? I remember people complaining about AOU for setting up the infinity saga but I also remember fans praising it after endgame tied the room together. Ow did people hop on the joss Whedon hate wagon after Josstice League? Yes, yes they did.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 10/30/2023, 1:54 PM
@slickrickdesigns -
Those are both fine movies.
say what you will about Whedon personally but he can actually direct and has a pretty good grasp on things like story and characters.
Origame
Origame - 10/30/2023, 2:15 PM
@slickrickdesigns - yeah. People are more vocal about the films being bad. Doesn't mean there's suddenly a consensus they're bad now.

In fact, that consensus seemed to happen around the same time as his accusations and it being clear he wasn't getting work in Hollywood after that.

Surely there can't be a connection 🤣🤔
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 10/30/2023, 4:48 PM
@Origame - yeah but what consensus? Do you mean a Josh Wilding top 5 worst cbm’s he put on a list for people to vote on?
Origame
Origame - 10/30/2023, 4:51 PM
@slickrickdesigns - I'm still convinced those are rigged 🤣
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 10/30/2023, 1:33 PM
Garfield is the only saving grace of those ASM movies, and honestly his Parker just came off more like a skater loner than a tortured nerd before he got his powers.
CAPTAINPINKEYE
CAPTAINPINKEYE - 10/30/2023, 1:35 PM
First Avengers movie was epic. Second one was good but it’s hard to top the first one. First Avengers movie is in my top ten of best CBMs.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 10/30/2023, 2:38 PM
@CAPTAINPINKEYE - Iron Man vs Thor was such a fun fight!

But then again, Hulkbuster Iron Man vs Hulk was also a really fun fight.

I don't know. I love both of them, so one fight scene isn't exactly going to make me like one over the other. But those are both really fun scenes.
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 10/30/2023, 1:36 PM
The Hamadaverse tho.
JFerguson
JFerguson - 10/30/2023, 1:38 PM
“it's no wonder they're in no way, shape, or form considered canon in the MCU”



Still better than any Disney plus marvel offering though
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