4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

Through the numbers, a look back at L O S T

Editorial Opinion
By RobGrizzly - Sep 26, 2014 02:09 PM EST
Filed Under: Other
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Remember back when everybody loved L O S T? Man, that was a great show. Incredible stories, acting, and production values, LOST was one of the first major pop culture phenomenons of the internet era. It remains one of my favorite series of the past decade, and contrary to what disgruntled End-ing haters would like you to believe, it actually does still totally hold up on repeat viewings. Does every little secret get answered? Of course not. But most of the important stuff did, and if you find a way to watch this non-linear show chronologically, you might be surprised at how well the writers were able to make it all fit. It's not perfect, but at the end of the day, after re-watching the series, the creators were right; LOST was always about the characters first, and it shows.

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I’ve been watching the show all week, celebrating its 10-year anniversary. Through a collection of lists, I'd like to take a look back at some of the best of LOST, through no other format than the infamous winning lotto numbers that plagued our castaways with bad luck throughout its 6-year run.
 

*SPOILERS  FOR  L O S T  AHEAD*
 
 
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LOST is no stranger to death. In fact, out of a cast of over 30 principle characters, over six seasons, all but eight died on or near the island. While some of these may not be as important as Boone or Ana Lucia,
these are my 4 favorite deaths from the show.

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  • Mr. Eko  first on-screen Smoke Monster kill
  • Charlotte  time-travel [frick]ed her brain
  • Nikki and Paulo  paralyzed by a spider and buried alive
  • Charlie  sacrifice by drowning

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People have written thesis papers about LOST. The science, the religion, the mysticism. For those that really enjoyed delving into allegories and metaphors, LOST might be the richest show possible to do that with. Here are 8 strong literary themes for those brushed up on their reading.

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  • Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
  • The works of Stephen King
  • The Holy Bible
  • Lord of the Flies
  • The Moon Pool
  • Ulysses
  • The Wonderful Wizard of Oz
  • A Wrinkle in Time
 
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There’s nothing like a good scrap up, and with all the personalities clashing, LOST had its fair share of fights. On a show like this, conflict drives the day, and I love when characters work it out with their fists.
Here are 15 throwdowns that put me on the edge of my seat! 



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  • Sawyer vs. Sayid
  • Michael vs. Jin
  • Jack vs. Ethan
  • Locke vs. Charlie
  • Ana Lucia vs. Goodwin
  • Eko vs. Sayid
  • Sawyer vs. Hurley
  • Sayid vs. Mikhail
  • Kate vs. Juliet
  • Jin vs. Mikhail
  • Juliet vs. Charlotte
  • Sayid vs. Keamy
  • Jack vs. Sawyer
  • Sayid vs. Dogen
  • Jack vs. “Locke”
 
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When you have a show as popular as LOST, there are bound to be copycats. Every network wanted a LOST of their own, and for the next several years, genre television came out of the woodwork. Sure the locations may change (Once Upon a Time), or some may have been based off books (Under the Dome) or old TV remakes (V), and some may be legit successes on their own (Fringe). But they all still owe their green-lights to LOST in some way or another.
Here are 16 LOST wannabes

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  • Six Degrees (2006) cancelled
  • Heroes (2006) 4 seasons
  • The Nine (2006) cancelled
  • Life on Mars (2008) cancelled
  • Fringe (2008) 5 seasons
  • FlashForward (2009) cancelled
  • V (2009) cancelled in 2
  • The Event (2010) cancelled
  • Terra Nova (2011) cancelled
  • Alcatraz (2012) cancelled
  • Last Resort (2012) cancelled
  • Revolution (2012) cancelled in 2
  • Under the Dome (2013) current
  • Lucky 7 (2013) cancelled
  • The 100 (2014) debuted this year
  • The Leftovers (2014) debuted this year
 
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Now for the main event- A ranking of episodes! One of the most fun debates among Losties involves discussing which eps were the best. It’s also an impossibly hard task sorting them, because they have had so many great hours of television. The mysteries, the performances…Some entries I’ve picked for the action, others for the drama. But here are my 23 favorite episodes of LOST:
 

23. The Economist (4x03)
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Sayid is my favorite character. A technical mind, and kick-ass to boot, Season 4’s Flash-forward saw the Iraqi torturer at his badass best, working as an assassin for none other than Ben Linus.
 

22. The Hunting Party (2x11)
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“Light em up!” Michael has deserted the camp in search of his kidnapped son. When Jack, Sawyer and Locke go after him, they have their unforgettable first major confrontation with The Others, who order them to back down.
 

21. The Long Con (2x13)
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The con man at his trickster best, Sawyer uses the animosity between Jack and Locke to gain control over the only thing that holds power around here anymore: the guns
 

20. Exodus (1x23-1x24)
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The first in a tradition of amazing cliffhangers, LOST’s Season 1 finale saw some of the castaways set sail in search of  rescue, while the rest tried to find a way to blow open the mysterious hatch. The Others make their presence known with a surprising move.
 

19. Lockdown (2x17)
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We finally get a taste of what could happen if the button is not pushed. Immobilized, Locke has to rely on the one person he shouldn’t trust- his prisoner. And a hidden map revealing even more secrets is revealed.
 

18. Greatest Hits (3x21)
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Dominic Monaghan’s finest hour sees Charlie list the best moments of his rather pathetic life, as he prepares to do one last thing that finally matters. His #1 moment? Meeting Claire.
 

17. The Man from Tallahassee (3x13)
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Locke and Ben Linus loaded discussion about being special on the island- right before John blows up their submarine! More importantly, the truth of how he ended up in a wheelchair is finally revealed.
 

16. Confidence Man (1x08)
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Sawyer gets his first backstory, and it’s a tragic one that paints the roughneck in an entirely new light. On island, Sayid tortures him for information, in the most amazing way I’ve ever seen.
 

15. Dr. Linus (6x07)
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The show explores the kind of good man Benjamin Linus might have been under different circumstances. On-island, facing death, he has a heartbreaking confession about killing Jacob.
 

14. The Other 48 Days (2x07)
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In a cool change of perspectives, we follow the presumed dead tail section survivors on the other side of the island. And we find that they actually had things much worse than our castaways did.
 

13. All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues (1x11)
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 The creepy discovery that somebody among them isn't who he seems, drives the conflict in this episoed which kicked it up a notch with Ethan, the first truely tangible island threat the castaways encounter.


12. The End (6x17)
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Series finales are a tricky thing. It’s hard to please everyone, but I commend LOST for wrapping up the island saga in an exciting way, giving closure to the characters with a final curtain call for the cast.
 

11. The Man Behind the Curtain (3x20)
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Think of this as the villain origin story. We discover Ben never was born on the island, but when he got there, he played a key role in the war between the Dharma Initiative and the Natives. It was called The Purge
 

10. The Constant (4x05)
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An insanely popular episode among fans and the creators alike, The Constant is a time-jumping mind[frick] that could destroy Desmond unless he re-connects with the love of his life, on Christmas Eve!
 

9. The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham (5x07)
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Locke’s story is probably the saddest of all the characters. Unable to convince the Oceanic 6 to back to the island, John sees no other solution. There is a lot of tragic irony at play in this tear-jerking hour.
 

8. The Incident (5x16, 5x17)
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What if you could change your fate? Take it all back? The season 5 finale poses these very questions, in its great push towards the last season. It also finally reveals the identity of Jacob- right before killing him!
 

7. LA X (6x01, 6x02)
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The direct follow up to The Incident shows Flight 815 never crashed! The bomb worked! But something about this reality seems…off. And yet on the Island, the bomb didn’t work. And the castaways have to deal with the fallout. A brilliant new construct, The flash-sideways, is born.
 

6. There's No Place Like Home (4x12-4x14)
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All through season 4, the big question was how the Oceanic 6 escaped the island. It’s all explained in this 2-episode, 3-hour opus, in which Ben desperately moves the island, right before Whidmore can get his hands on it.
 

5. Ab Aeterno (6x09)
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“Imagine this island as a cork…”
Without a doubt the best standalone episode LOST ever produced, the first act plays like a genuine period film. Then, Richard Alpert gets shipwrecked on the island, and meets the demi-gods who grant him immortality. 


4. Walkabout (1x04)
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“Don’t tell me what I can’t do!”
For most new shows, it takes about 3 or 4 episodes for viewers to decide if they are in for the long haul or not. For this series, Walkabout is definitely the hook. John Locke, Mr. Survival, gets his backstory reveal here, and it’s the biggest swerve imaginable: Turns out he was in a wheelchair?! This was the first ending that really blew everyone away, and got the theories churning.
 

3. The Shape of Things to Come (4x09)
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“He changed the rules”
Benjamin Linus finally faced a situation he couldn’t outsmart. And it cost him dearly. This episode in an absolute favorite for having the greatest smoke monster attack, and for watching Ben be a mastermind in the modern world. His chilling promise in Whidmore’s bedroom sets the stakes for their war.
 

2. Through the Looking Glass (3x22, 3x23)
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“We have to back!”
I would call this arguably the most important episode of the entire series. The Season 3 finale reinvigorated LOST with Charlie’s great sacrifice to save the others, and Jack’s tearful plea; introducing us all to the game-changing Flash-Forward.
 

1. Pilot (1x01, 1x02)
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“Guys. Where are we?”
An eye opens...The wreckage and chaos...It doesn’t get much better than the one that started it all. The incredibly addictive, incredibly watchable debut episode of LOST plays like a movie unto itself. It says something that it raised the bar as one of the most expensive pilots ever made, and with a combination of real characters, smart writing, and an ominous creature in the jungle, a phenomenon was born.
 

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So much to discuss, so little time! Finally, I'll close off with a trip down memory lane. A bunch of the other people, places, and things that made this show great. These are a randomized collection of
42 other great moments to celebrate about LOST




So that will do it. I’d like to think LOST has left an indelible mark on the television landscape since its debut in 2004.  They helped sci-fi gain mainstream status in primetime again, popularized serialized television (with the help of 24), and reignited water-cooler buzz. They may not have invented the wheel, but they sure perfected it.  And that's not to mention how they raised the bar for television production values, and of course, the flashback device, which is now used everywhere.  The emphasis on large ensemble casts, the radical push for shorter seasons (on cable sure, but network tv? Bollucks!) They were a bold series doing a lot of things other shows weren’t, and some even credit it for ushering in the new golden era of television we’re in right now.

Here’s to L O S T. Thanks for everything



 
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SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 9/26/2014, 2:09 PM
In before the deluge of comments about how it's 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42...you have an extra "6" there in the title =P

Seriously though, I LOVE this show, and it deserves far more praise than it gets. Did the writer's strike screw things up in the long run? Yep. Was the final season a let-down? Of course. But does the fantastic things about the show outweigh the bad? Absolutely.

I haven't read much of this yet, but this looks like a fantastic read!
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 9/26/2014, 3:11 PM
Yep I was right, this was awesome. Really great write-up, and I'm a big fan of the format you put it in.

Charlie's death will always be my favorite death scene of any show. The emotions, the self-sacrifice, the music, "Not Penny's boat"...this scene wrecked me! Eko's death was cool, but it becomes a bit less so retroactively when you learn that the actor simply didn't want to be on the show anymore (even though they had MASSIVE plans for the character) and so they simply wrote him out.

I honestly can't disagree with a single one of your episode rankings, though "The Constant" will always have a special place for me because of some personal stuff I was going through at the time, and that episode was EXACTLY what I needed. But it's amazing to look back and see just how many incredible episodes there were that had amazing memorable moments. Had I not started watching Breaking Bad recently, I would've said that Lost had possibly the best standalone episodes out of any television series. The beginning of the pilot episode is definitely one of the best series openers ever though, hands down.

It's always nice too see someone who is so obviously passionate about Lost, just like I was. I've re-watched it once since the series ended, and this might just make me want to try and tackle it again haha. Awesome stuff man! This site can ALWAYS do with more Lost.
jaysin420
jaysin420 - 9/26/2014, 3:12 PM
Good stuff, I love most of your list. I'd have the Long Con, Greatest Hits and the Constant higher, and not so many S6 episodes but that's just me.

The Pilot was so great but Walkabout is when I really got hooked. One of my favorites you left off was Man of Science, Man of Faith, when they introduced Desmond. The episode itself wasn't that great but the ending was awesome with Jack taunting Locke and Desmond recognizing Jack.

@SauronsBANE - I couldn't agree more, I give the show a lot of crap about the final season and series finale but it doesn't change the fact it's still my favorite show of all time.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 9/26/2014, 4:45 PM
7 numbers?



It's a gate address!



(Okay, I didn't read the article or watch Lost, but I am rewatching SG-1 from the beginning and it's actually a lot of fun.)
BawbScharf
BawbScharf - 9/26/2014, 5:40 PM
Okay, firstly ...I am a huge LOST fan. I have the numbers tatted on my arm and everything. Secondly, this is a great format and great series of lists ...though my top 23 episodes look nothing like yours (nothing from season 6 breaks my top 90 EVER. Season 5 also had more misses for me). It is well written and well thought out and I am not going to take that I away from you.

What I am going to say is that for almost five years now I had to hear my fellow fans cry 'you didn't get it. It was all about the characters' everytime I say that season 6 was utter ass ...and it was. By every stretch of the imagination, season 6 was a complete failure as the ending of an AMAZING series ...and it has nothing to do with questions being answered.

Let me put it like this:

Say I was giving you directions and towards that last final turn I said 'HEY LOOK AT THAT LEATHER JACKET CLAD GREESER JUMPING over A SHARK. It is really important to what I am telling you ...I swear.'

Then after you turn around to look and carefully analyze that young rebel committing his amazing feet, you look back at me and say 'That was cool, but what does that have to do with anything?'

And then I just answer back 'Oh, nothing ...anyways, I got to get going. I hope you get to your destination.'

I present to you the basis of the Flash Noways. Yes, I know that they were called flash sideways but it was nothing more than a back door to make everything purgatory which is what they wanted to do all along. The problem with the flash sideways was that it was a HUGE chunk of season 6 and really had nothing to do with anything. It had nothing to do with the time travel as we were lead to believe. It had nothing to do with the island. And no, it had absolutely nothing to do with the characters ...BECAUSE IT DID NOT REALLY HAPPEN IN THE REAL WORLD. It did not give that closure that it appeared to have given people but was more played for fan service of seeing so and so show up again (except for Michael ...Michael gets nothing). So, INSTEAD of giving Frank a flashback in the season where he is a regular (finally), instead of fleshing out Miles and giving him closure with his father issues, instead of having a Widmore flashback, instead of explaining what Claire was doing during season 5 when she was absent, instead of fleshing out the Jacob and MIB situation as well as our current characters as they appeared in REAL LIFE, they focused on stuff that didn't happen. It was not even an alternate reality, it was filler.

SECONDLY, there was contradictions and lack of stakes in season 6. Okay, I am not going to harp on the Smoke monster stuff for too long ...BUT his motivations made NO SENSE. It was not a matter of questions not being answered but a matter of the villain you have been building up since the pilot to now not making a whole hell of a lot of sense. His monologue to Jacob in the finale of season 5 (which was great) did not match his motivations of leaving the island to do whatever. Equally upsetting for me was the lack of actual stakes involved. Not only was the fight pretty much to prevent a guy from leaving the island ...with not a lot of indication that the earth was on the line or anything else important, but this lead to there be no stakes at all. Yes, we did see three HUGE deaths towards the end there ...but were they the right choices to be your impactful deaths? They really weren't and they were done at the same time. Therefore they felt more like an afterthought because they had to kill off someone. It really should have felt like if the earth was not on the line, then the smoke monster was DANGEROUS. He should have left a bunch of corpses of people we knew and cared about in his wake. Especially if you were not going to do anything with Frank or Miles (who I enjoyed mind you ...but if you are going to have them be background characters then just kill them off). It felt like they got cold feet to kill anyone who was SUPER popular with the fans (which is silly because they killed off the most popular character teh season beforehand and they didn't care). The person who absolutely should have and deserved to die and would have given you one hell of a final performance in those last moments was Ben Linus. He should have died either sacrificing himself doing his ONLY ever good deed or he should have died to put over just how dangerous the smoke monster was. Without a HUGE death like that, the season did not feel like there was a lot of weight. But even more impactful would have been killing off Hurley. YOu would have known that the villain was not screwing around. Instead we got a whiney complaining guy who looked like Locke who maybe indirectly killed Sun, Jin, and Sayid.

I am going to gloss over the magic cave and eternity water because I think the hack there speaks for itself.

Was the finale itself a bad episode? Nah, as its own thing, it was a well written two and half hours of television. The fault was on the whole season beforehand not making teh episode of worthy pay off. But here is where this it was 'ALL ABOUT THE CHARACTERS' B.S blows up in your face. The characters said that because they did not know how to write an ending to a STORY. Again, it has nothing to do with unanswered questions but an irresponsibility in telling a full story. Up until about mid-way through season 6, it was all about the story. It was all about the island. This was according to Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindleloff. But by the time the finale wrapped, suddenly it was JUST about the characters and not the full package. This was a complete 180 from what we were told from the beginning. You can't tell a story with a main theme, tone, and concept and then suddenly change it 75 percent of the way ...and then tell us that was the plan all along.
And the annoying part? THE LAST SEASON WAS NOT EVEN ABOUT THE CHARACTERS (because, you know, the most important character moments happened in purgatory) Were characters a big part of the show? Sure, until season 3 where most of main character questions were answered. Season 4 and 5 were about the story and the island ...into season 6 which was the REAL show about nothing.

The kicker was that there was no excuse for this as they knew they had three years to figure out a cohesive story and how to end it and what to do with the characters. They had a set end date. They had a way to put the story AND character to a proper ending. Instead it was two years of throwing out ideas that didn't really work together: Whidmore being evil but then not, time travel that had no effect on anything, Michael being a spy even though the timing was off and then being killed, the rules of the smoke monster changing numerous times. They were more lost than they ever were when they knew they had an end in sight. It was sheer negligence on the part of the show runners.

Now, even with season 4 and 5, the stand alone episodes were still well written stories on their own right with interesting characters. I cannot even say that about season 6 as it became wandering around in a jungle fighting a villain who was not even as villainous as the condescending Jacob intercut inbetween a fairytale.

Does this mean that I hate the show? No, it is still my favorite show of all time because seasons 1 through 4 for me were amazing fan experiences. But to say that I just did not understand the ending and that is why I was unhappy with it is INCREDIBLY insulting. We did not make it up. There was not a lot of thought put into the final season and it was just a matter of pointing to something else so we would not notice that they did not know how to end a story.

But again, that was a great article. I just did not like the insinuation that the hatred for the ending was a lack intelligence on the viewer's part.
JoeMomma29
JoeMomma29 - 9/26/2014, 6:09 PM
This is awesome!!!!!!!
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 9/26/2014, 7:05 PM
@Objectivelybiased I honestly can't disagree with much of what you said. From Walt being hyped up as this "special" person only for that subplot to go nowhere, to Widmore's rivalry with Ben being played up and developed as this undercurrent behind the ENTIRE series only for Widmore to be disposed of in the most anti-climactic and useless way possible, to the entire story of "The Incident" and going back in time and how NONE of that ever actually meant anything because it all would've happened anyways apparently, to the flash-sideways, to Desmond becoming a complete afterthought in the last season, to zombie Sayid, to MANY more dropped subplots and dead-ends and filler that I'm sure I'm leaving out...all of that are examples of how the show really fell off the rails at the end as the writers basically made things up as they went along.

The show really WAS about the characters all along...but the mythology of the Island itself and the mysteries inherent in all of it was a MAJOR part of the show as well. So it's a bit of a cop-out, IMO, to pass off the finale and the final season as just delivering on the core premise of the show (i.e. "It was about the characters!"). The premise was wrapped up in the Island, while we ended up falling in love with the characters along the way. The ideal finale would've found some way to balance both aspects. So the finale really left me mixed. I was left wanting MUCH more on the mythology aspect of things, but most characters really did get satisfying endings.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 9/26/2014, 7:10 PM
BUT in spite of all that, like you said, I can't help but love this show all the same. The first 4 or 5 seasons were brilliant for the most part, and the lackluster last season was still better than many other shows' best seasons.

So I guess that was just a long-winded way of saying that I can understand the frustration that fans had towards the end, but I can also understand why plenty of fans really had a great sense of closure with the final season and the finale. It was divisive, it was flawed, it just flat-out didn't make sense at some points...but all of that was because the show tried to be too ambitious. It bit off more than it could chew, and it got a bit screwed over because of that. And I can respect the effort, even if it didn't come together as well as it should've/could've.

One things for certain though: I'll never get tired talking about this show!
ruadh
ruadh - 9/26/2014, 8:09 PM
Lost is STILL one of my favorite shows, even after repeated viewings. I admit I don't have the time to truly dive into this, let alone respond as it deserves, but hopefully soon. I was just trying to convince the girlfriend of the guy who was most disappointed by the finale that I know in person to try this show last weekend.

I really recommend the book The Revolution Was Televized. Each chapter is a different show, and chances are you can find several chapters you're interested in, but the Lost chapter is great. And sad. Lindelof admits he did NOT have a plan all along and actually kept hoping to be rescued by cancelation.

Despite that, it went places, especially the ending, I NEVER expected a network series to take me.
ruadh
ruadh - 9/26/2014, 8:20 PM
OK I lied, I was able to read. Awesome way to simply reminisce!

Also skimmed comments. Yes, the show isn't at all perfect, and a lot of threads were dropped throughout with no resolution in the end, but the final moments genuinely made me not care. And I was RABID throughout he series with facta, connections, and theories.

If I was able to redo the final season, I would have all the losties transported back to Jacob's time. I feel it would have worked better if Jack etc were witnesses to Jacob and his brother's beginnings, and it would have set up the candidates etc. I don't know if it was necessary but I felt like having those revelations with Jacob, his mother, etc, not being seen by even just one Lostie would have worked better. And I think having the temple plot changed into ancient settlers 2000 years ago would have been more interesting.
Ace101
Ace101 - 9/26/2014, 9:30 PM
@RobGrizzly great write up!i loved lost when it was on, but that ending though, like smallville, it pissed me off to the extent i have not wanted to re visit the shows, even though they were awesome.

@Spock0Clock I did the SG-1, Atlantis and Universe marathon early this year or early last year. loved the series.
Ace101
Ace101 - 9/26/2014, 9:34 PM
@Spock0Clock this is probably my favorite scene from sg1
BawbScharf
BawbScharf - 9/26/2014, 10:19 PM
ALSO, to add to this 'It is about the characters' excuse that people throw out. In the season 1 DVD featurette, what did the creators say about the island? They said that the island was a character in itself. What is more important, giving fully fleshed out characters meta non-closures in a shared consciousness after they die (I.E 'people figured out we were going to go with purgatory so lets still kind of do purgatory but lets not call it purgatory even though it is clearly purgatory right down to finding closure before going onto heaven ...unless you are Ana Lucia. No heaven for her' purgatory)or giving that last piece of the puzzle to the character who you have given background to here and there but never got a GOOD gist of said character's origins? I would say that the island was the most important character to never get any closure.

My hope ...and with Heroes coming back, I do not think it is that far away, is that Disney decides to revisit it with a new group of show runners and actors (and Jeff Fahey). I really do believe there is another layer of story to be told in the form of the Mother (whose actress is currently starring in a show called Mother), Alvar Hanso, Walt, and the 'raised by another' prophecy about Aaron.

If not that then a spin off about Sawyer, Frank, Miles, and Richard traveling the Country solving crime in a talking van possessed by the ghost of Mr. Eko. And Ben gives them missions from a video screen at the start of every episode.Kate would never show up because Kate was the Britta of LOST.
RobGrizzly
RobGrizzly - 9/27/2014, 12:17 AM
Good God, I'm such a dunce!!
Thanks for the corrections, everybody!
(I was hella tired after finishing this, but it's no excuse. My desk will be cleared out by the end of the week)
BawbScharf
BawbScharf - 9/27/2014, 8:57 AM
Um ...why does this article only have 3 thumbs up? Clearly it deserves to be on the main. Jesus, I think we even had DCGuy articles get on the main, but THIS masterpiece (not that I agree with everything if my above comments are any indication. But as far as the writing goes it is top notch) of an article cannot even get ten thumbs up? We all obviously enjoyed it.
marvel72
marvel72 - 9/27/2014, 9:12 AM
loved lost.didn't like how it ended though bit of a letdown,like most end of series finales.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 9/27/2014, 2:26 PM
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DCGuy
DCGuy - 9/28/2014, 8:39 AM
THIS IS MY FAV SHOW EVER, I CRIED AT THE END. LOVE IT. THANKS @RobGrizzly for an amazing look at LOST
RobGrizzly
RobGrizzly - 9/28/2014, 8:22 PM
Thanks, everybody!

@Objectivelybiased:
Thanks for the kind words. I didn't mean to offend with my statement about haters, but I think I've just gotten so defensive about it over the years. Most people that didn't like Season 6, or the finale, have sworn off LOST all together, and effectively condemned the entire series therefore as crap. Which I think is ridiculously unfair to a show that, before the end, was looked upon favorably, and still contains amazing material. I'm glad to know there are still people like you that, despite your issues with S6 (which are well articulated), can still see the program for how great it was overall.

As for the Flash-sideways, try not to think of them as having nothing to do with nothing. I saw it as the kind of things comics do with alternate universes like Ultimate X-Men vs the Earth-616 line. The fact that it 'wasn't real' per-se, might be irrelevant, because its function first and foremost, was to be something new, and simply keep viewers guessing. Re-watching it all, the Sideways' literal purpose as a communal afterlife, serves as a kind of epilogue to the entire LOST tale I can see how that would be a turnoff in retrospect, but (at least for me) it was fun as it was happening.

Now, as for what actually happened on the island in season 6, truth be told, they kind of lost me after "Across the Sea", so I can take or leave whatever the writers wanted to go with. The whispers in the jungle are stuck ghosts like Michael? (Which is why he couldn't show up in the sideways, I guess) Sure, I'll role with that. Jacob used a lighthouse to find candidates? O..k.. But that's just how I watched. I didn't care as much about the mysticism as I did the tangible dangers to the characters, like a freighter full of killers, or a cult of crazies who steal children. I suspect one's mileage of LOST comes from what mattered most to him/her as they watched. So if you were a fanatic about answers, it was going to be a long season.
I find that most people who are bitter, are mostly sore because their predictions were wrong, or they didn't get what THEY wanted to happen.


That's not to say the creators didn't answer the "whys" of it all. That's kind of what the Sideways accomplished. The issue of "character first" isn't literal. It is that of theme. Jack's obsession with fixing, and needing to "let go." Ben's relationship with his father and daughter. Locke's sense of self worth. Can Sayid be a good man? The Sideways gives consolation to that in a way they couldn't find in their actual lives. Which corresponds to a lot of ideas about what people look for in the afterlife: Who you are, what you're done...Meaning. A question (THE question), I'd argue has been posed from the very beginning of the show.

Again, apologies for any offense. I realize the way some people feel about The End is the way I get about X-Men Days of Future Past, which is a great movie, but answered almost none of the continuity problems, and just wiped it all away with a do-over. That movie is my Season 6, lol


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